UK - Lucy Letby arrested on suspicion of murder/attempted murder of a number of babies, Chester, 3 July 2018 #1

[Marantz4250b]

yes the location has always been COCH babies were even named at one point Lucy Letby: nurse accused of murdering babies remanded in custody | UK news | The Guardian

Page 19 of this discussion is where it's mentioned - read the following page too which gives the name of the hospital the baby was moved to and died at. Both the attempted murder and murder dates are given as the 17th, the day of birth. The death occurred three days later.

UK - Healthcare worker arrested on suspicion of murder/attempted murder of a number of babies, 2018

 

[Bakers]

Page 19 of this discussion is where it's mentioned - read the following page too which gives the name of the hospital the baby was moved to and died at. Both the attempted murder and murder dates are given as the 17th, the day of birth. The death occurred three days later.

UK - Healthcare worker arrested on suspicion of murder/attempted murder of a number of babies, 2018

thanks just read them pages,thats the 1st time ive heard arrow park mentioned.ive never read other than them pages that any babies were moved out the COCH.would the place of death be at the hospital the baby was moved to??? all chargers say COCH

 

[Bakers]

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i know police looked into liverpools womens hospital because she done training at that hospital at some point

 

[Marantz4250b]

i know police looked into liverpools womens hospital because she done training at that hospital at some point

Yes, that was just an exercise in covering all their bases by the looks of it. There is no suggestion that anything ever occurred there (regardless of what Muppets on FB and other forums claim) but they obviously decided to examine her whole career, which is fair enough.

 

[Bakers]

Yes, that was just an exercise in covering all their bases by the looks of it. There is no suggestion that anything ever occurred there (regardless of what Muppets on FB and other forums claim) but they obviously decided to examine her whole career, which s fair enough.

i agree with that,at one stage the police had widened the search to cover from march 2015 and july 2016 looking at 17 baby deaths and 16 non fatal collapses.than came back to june2015 to june 2016.

 

[JosieJo]

I’m sure management would have “reasons” to change a nurse’s duties. But reasons are not necessarily verified facts yet. I’m sure if there is any suspicion of illegal activity, a hospital will take no risks to patients. It doesn’t mean that their suspicions are correct.

Obviously not verified facts ..just a good reason to think her name "may" have flagged early as part of the enquiry

 

[Bakers]

how brazen would this be ,one of LL chargers of attempted murder on 17th feb 2016 was the same day as the care quality announced inspections were being carried out.this inspection also says the maternity services had to close 6 times during 2015 due to staff activity but had been managed safely thru the escalation policy The Countess of Chester Hospital

 

[Bakers]

how brazen would this be ,one of LL chargers of attempted murder on 17th feb 2016 was the same day as the care quality announced inspections were being carried out.this inspection also says the maternity services had to close 6 times during 2015 due to staff activity but had been managed safely thru the escalation policy The Countess of Chester Hospital

wow check out medical staffing

 

[Whitehall 1212]

wow check out medical staffing

I'm not sure what you are reading into the CQC report. Can you please explain?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Today’s hearing was not such a surprise to me personally. The sheer amount of documents which will be being submitted both sides will be ENORMOUS. It troubles me that LL will have spent a very long time on remand if this does go to a full trial in 2022 and she is acquitted but that’s an unknown at this stage. What does also trouble me is the various Facebook groups (one in particular) which seems to comprise a bunch of ill informed keyboard warriors who simply do not understand the law or the trial process who are clearly baying for blood. At this stage literally nobody except the legal teams and police know what evidence has been gathered.

I know I've already replied to this but doing so again as I've joined a few of those groups of late; you're right, they mostly seem to consist of people who have little knowledge of the judicial system and are simply looking for reasons which prove her guilt. They don't seem to be actually "investigating" anything or looking at her case with an open mind. I've made no secret of the fact that I'm not in anyway convinced that she's guilty but I'm perfectly willing to change my mind if the evidence shows that she is. I don't get the impression that the majority of these groups are willing to change their minds if she's innocent though. Some of these people are from Chester - I can see why the trial has been moved to Manchester!

 

[Kemug]

I know I've already replied to this but doing so again as I've joined a few of those groups of late; you're right, they mostly seem to consist of people who have little knowledge of the judicial system and are simply looking for reasons which prove her guilt. They don't seem to be actually "investigating" anything or looking at her case with an open mind. I've made no secret of the fact that I'm not in anyway convinced that she's guilty but I'm perfectly willing to change my mind if the evidence shows that she is. I don't get the impression that the majority of these groups are willing to change their minds if she's innocent though. Some of these people are from Chester - I can see why the trial has been moved to Manchester!

Yes, some people can really get locked into an opinion - not us, of course

 

[Marantz4250b]

Does anyone know whether anything more has happened with this yet? I don't think there has been anything but wondering whether anyone's heard anything at all? None of the news sites seem to have any updates so I'm guessing we won't hear anything until her next court date which I think is 10th May.

I'm interested to know whether she's made a bail application yet and what the outcome was. As previously though, I suspect that if she does there will be reporting restrictions in place, especially if it's granted.

 

[altojack]

Does anyone know whether anything more has happened with this yet? I don't think there has been anything but wondering whether anyone's heard anything at all? None of the news sites seem to have any updates so I'm guessing we won't hear anything until her next court date which I think is 10th May.

I'm interested to know whether she's made a bail application yet and what the outcome was. As previously though, I suspect that if she does there will be reporting restrictions in place, especially if it's granted.

I've been looking but nothing in the UK press at all. Hope someone pops in with some news.

 

[Parker Knoll]

I don’t think an application for bail has been made recently. she’s back in court next Monday. I suspect if she pleads NG she may apply then on the basis of allowing her trial prep with her legal team. The trial itself is not scheduled until January 2022 if it goes to full trial so she will of been in custody 14 months at that point. It’s beyond odd this case.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I don’t think an application for bail has been made recently. she’s back in court next Monday. I suspect if she pleads NG she may apply then on the basis of allowing her trial prep with her legal team. The trial itself is not scheduled until January 2022 if it goes to full trial so she will of been in custody 14 months at that point. It’s beyond odd this case.

The whole thing, to my mind, is just off-the-scale weird! I know we've done the whole You can't judge a book by it's cover and Psychopaths look like everyone else line of debate to death here but this girl is not a baby murderer! She just isn't.

 

[Parker Knoll]

I honestly don’t know what to think as zero information in the public domain ( quite rightly ) but she’s not the usual suspect .... it’s baffling. They must have something very significant however to reach the charging threshold and remand her. The pre trial court hearings so far have been bizarre. I’m lost.

 

[Marantz4250b]

One presumes that she's actually going to be allowed to enter a plea on Monday? I can't think of any cases where suspected serial killers get multiple Crown Court dates and aren't allowed to plead. I mean she's been remanded for 6 months now!!

 

[annpats]

...she's been remanded for 6 months now!!

I know, I can't believe it.
I know it's innocent until proven guilty, but jeez.....
I do wonder though if she's been remanded partly for her own safety? Would that be a thing?
Otherwise, I'm just, well, I don't know. I'm at a loss as to what I think about it all. I just don't want it to be true.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I know, I can't believe it.
I know it's innocent until proven guilty, but jeez.....
I do wonder though if she's been remanded partly for her own safety? Would that be a thing?
Otherwise, I'm just, well, I don't know. I'm at a loss as to what I think about it all. I just don't want it to be true.

I'm sure that the prosecution said that part of the argument for remanding her was for her own safety. I think primarily to keep her safe from herself as she is apparently not in a great state of mind. I hate to say it but I think that remand may actually be the best thing for her in the long run.

Personally, I'm just utterly staggered that someone can be charged and held in custody for quite so long without even being allowed to enter a plea. How can the state justify holding someone for six months on allegations which they refuse to allow them to acknowledge or refute? It just seems insane! It is, when you think about it, tantamount to torture. If she isn't allowed to enter a plea on Monday then I can see her QC bringing up various Human Rights issues - and rightly so.

 

[Mandos]

I'll stick my neck out here and say that I think that Lucy Letby is completely innocent of this. I don't think that she's been "set up" in the sense that people have intentionally fabricated evidence but, rather, that she's the victim of the prosecution going off down a wrong track and being unable to get off it.

Considering the fact that the investigation has been going on for years and LL has been arrested twice before finally being charged, I'm definitely concerned about the possibility of tunnel vision on side of the police being a possible issue here.

Speaking as a Dutch criminal lawyer, this case definitely has some strong Lucia de Berk vibes.