UK UK- Lynne Weedon, 16, Out with friends @The Elm disco, found raped/bludgeoned in ''The Short Hedges.'' alleyway, London, 3 Sept, 1975 *DNA*

[jojojaja]

Documentary about unsolved murders to feature Slough newspaper

AN old Slough newspaper will feature in a new ITV documentary about three unsolved London murders which occurred in the 1970s.

www.sloughobserver.co.uk

I just wanted to crop the photos out as I haven't seen these before. I wonder if that's one of the most recent photos of Lynne too.

 

[jojojaja]

Western Daily Press Bristol, Avon, England - Thursday September 11, 1975

This was in the Eve Stratford thread and should be here.

Missing out most of this as it's already written elsewhere or obvious. However it states that she was walked part of the way home by two friends of her age. That the lane she walked up had been well known for unsavoury characters like flashers. There's no mention of an iron pipe or bar (the murder weapon was taken away) here it mentions a hammer or jimmy (using American spelling) sounds like a crowbar.
Lynne was dragged by her heels before being thrown or lifted over the fence which was five and a half foot or I think 1.676 metres high (strong). Lynne's underpants were stuffed in her mouth.
Lynne had on a sweater in blue and white which in other articles it's stated was lifted up to expose her breasts and stomach, both mutilated and I haven't read anywhere what was used to do that or how she was mutilated. Lynne had on a blue and white long cardy and while she wore jeans, it's been stated in other press she was naked from the waist down and therefore I doubt she was wearing the platform sandals she set out in.

Her pants were stuffed in her mouth.
Her breast and stomach were mutilated and in a previous post, so was her face.

 

[jojojaja]

Something has been bugging me since I started looking into these cases.
I have to admit to being slightly irritated, when watching West End Murders and Colin Sutton talking to Lynne's childhood friend, he asked if she knew of anything happening in Short Hedges before, the path, however you want to refer to it, where Lynne was attacked. Lynne's friend said no.
I read countless contemporary newspapers which talked of flashers, lurkers, people being followed, attempted sexual assaults, rapes in and around Hounslow and West London.
I read about flashers being seen on Short Hedges too.
I can't recall which newspaper it was in, but someone from Lynne's estate saw someone lurking in SH and acting oddly earlier in the day. I'm not sure if I relayed it, I will if I see it again.
Anyway most of us probably know that many sexually motivated murderers started off much smaller, through peeping, watching, lurking, flashing, stealing underwear etx which cam lead to sexual molestation/rape. Which can lead to murder.

So why do we not see lists, doesn't have to contain names or convictions, of places these things have been reported, dates, what happened. Surely this can be useful when looking at perps, it may give more pieces of the puzzle to work out if someone is getting worse. For people to know to be careful in that area (not that we should have to have our freedom curtailed by some pervert).
These newspapers are rushing to accuse any and every odd acting person, not just people giving the impression of behaving inappropriately, but for that matter people who stand out, who are a different colour or culture....it smacks of desperation, it's used resources and it's not helped anyone. Surely advance notice of changes in activity will help in forewarning where, and possibly who to go looking for?
A good example is the Sunshine State Killer, he started as a peeping tom I think, not sure if that came before or after stealing underwear and personal items in break ins...you can see the progression.
Why is nobody keeping track? Surely a machine can even be programmed to notice patterns.
Frustrating that there has been so little progress.

 

[Richard]

Jan 2022 By Kelly-Ann Mills

Playboy Bunny killer also raped and murdered schoolgirl, 16, as she walked home

Lynne Weedon was just 16 when she was stuck of the head and raped in an alleyway on her way home. Her killer left her for dead six months after murdering another young woman

www.mirror.co.uk

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''Two murders of two young women, one a 16-year-old schoolgirl and other a Playboy Bunny who had posed nude for Mayfair, were both carried out by the same man.

Nothing would have linked the two horrific killings until the murderer's DNA was found at both crime scenes.


The samples were matched in 2006, linking 21-year-old model Eve Stratford and schoolgirl Lynne Weedon for the first time, more than 30 years after their brutal deaths.

Unfortunately their killer's DNA was not on the police national computer and he remains at large.

Teenager Lynne had been out with friends at an early evening disco at The Elm Tree pub in Hounslow, east London on Wednesday, September 3 in 1975.

The trio left for home at around 10.30pm with Lynne separating from the others at a junction before taking her usual route to the home she shared with her parents through an alleyway known as The Short Hedges.''

Lynn was murdered 50 years ago.

 

[Ayi]

My theory, is that-- since the girl Eve worked at a pub and Lynn went to a pub, the attacker either worked at the pub or was mutual friends with them and there was a dispute at the pub. We already know the attacker's description, which is "white, male and 17-30 years old" which now he would be "57-80 years old." Since the attacker has correlation at the pub, the attacker is an impulsive killer because he seemed to only do it in one location and he seemed to hurt them aggressively.
The motive must be jealousy or possession because Lynn was a bright student.
The pubs were two different locations and Eve Stratford was from Germany and moved to London, indicating she is also bright
There was no sign of struggle as they were hit in the head which indicates that they knew who the attacker was- as someone would notice if they were being followed very closely

 

[tes1984]

My theory, is that-- since the girl Eve worked at a pub and Lynn went to a pub, the attacker either worked at the pub or was mutual friends with them and there was a dispute at the pub. We already know the attacker's description, which is "white, male and 17-30 years old" which now he would be "57-80 years old." Since the attacker has correlation at the pub, the attacker is an impulsive killer because he seemed to only do it in one location and he seemed to hurt them aggressively.
The motive must be jealousy or possession because Lynn was a bright student.
The pubs were two different locations and Eve Stratford was from Germany and moved to London, indicating she is also bright
There was no sign of struggle as they were hit in the head which indicates that they knew who the attacker was- as someone would notice if they were being followed very closely

Welcome to the board. A pub connection is possible, but it might be from the pub Eve sometimes went to when her musician boyfriend was performing there.

Eve didn't work in a pub though. She was a bunny at the Playboy club, which was high end and exclusive. It's possible that someone could have worked at Lynne's local pub after previously working in a high end casino, but very different sorts of venues.

Eve was a military baby so travelled a fair bit in her childhood. Her family were from England though. She moved to London to seek fame and fortune as a model.

Eve seems to have spoken to her killer and possibly let him into the flat, but there's no evidence that he knew Lynne. Lynne was victim of a blitz attack and may not have been aware of being followed.

 

[Ayi]

Thank you for correcting me on that information. Do you think it is possible that the killer could have been motivated by jealousy or possessiveness?

 

[Ayi]

Thank you for correcting me on that information. Do you think it is possible that the killer could have been motivated by jealousy or possessiveness?

If there was no evidence of Lynne knowing who she spoke to in her flat- could he have been a deliveryman? I apologize if I come off as uneducated.

 

[dotr]

If there was no evidence of Lynne knowing who she spoke to in her flat- could he have been a deliveryman? I apologize if I come off as uneducated.

Welcome to Ws @Ayi!
The perp could have been a delivery man, were you thinking food, postal, or ...... delivery?

 

[tes1984]

Thank you for correcting me on that information. Do you think it is possible that the killer could have been motivated by jealousy or possessiveness?

Who knows? It's very difficult to determine motivation, particularly with two very 'different' murders, which would never have been linked without DNA.

 

[tes1984]

If there was no evidence of Lynne knowing who she spoke to in her flat- could he have been a deliveryman? I apologize if I come off as uneducated.

It was Eve who seems to have spoken with her killer in the flat. Lynne was attacked outside in the street.

Someone posing as a delivery man is possible, but why would Eve let them into the house? Perhaps he could have offered to carry the item up the stairs for her or something like that.

 

[Richard]

Lynn Weedon, age 16, murdered 3 September 1975

 

[Ayi]

Welcome to Ws @Ayi!
The perp could have been a delivery man, were you thinking food, postal, or ...... delivery?

Food. But if it was postal it would have been possible that the item was heavy and the man helped to carry it?

 

[SteveH]

Watching the two-part Marcel Theroux doc The Playboy Bunny Murder about Eve Stratford I was struck by the mention in Part Two (where the murder of Lynne Weedon was discussed) of a "Policeman B" who lived near to where Lynne and Elizabeth Parravincina lived and who was later jailed for various offences including a serious indecent assault and burglary.

https://www.itv.com/watch/the-playboy-bunny-murder/10a3962/10a3962a0002 - (From 23 mins 50 secs)

Policeman B is presumably Paul Thomas who was questioned in connection with the murder of Parravincina. From Wikipedia:

"In 1983, it was revealed that detectives had interviewed a jailed policeman as part of an inquiry into the murders of three women, including Weedon and Parravincina. The policeman, Paul Thomas, had been jailed for five and a half years for sex crimes, and was said to have "led a secret life of kinky sex, terrorising schoolgirls". He reportedly prowled the streets in the area at night wearing a hood and dark clothes. He was also known to have harassed women with anonymous phone calls, as Stratford was in the weeks before she was killed. Thomas was interviewed after his arrest for the other crimes and was questioned routinely about the death of Elizabeth Parravincina. However, he was reported to have produced "a satisfactory alibi".

Theroux discusses a case which ultimately revealed that Thomas was a "sexual predator". This was the theft of a radio cassette player from the Green School for Girls in Isleworth. A policeman was seen leaving the premises with the item - he had been helping the girls with their skiing techniques.

He was arrested and in a search of his room a police radio taken from Brentford Police Station was found. He said he borrowed it but then a police inspector's tunic was found with two pips on each shoulder - he was only a constable (at Kensington Police Station). Simon Addy, who was a Detective Sergeant at Brentford Police Station in charge of the CID Dept and arrested him wondered if he was prowling around in the senior officer's tunic and carrying the radio seeing "who he could come across".

In 1983 he was jailed for five and a half years after attacking and indecently assaulting a 34 year old woman in Hanworth. He held a 12" knife at her throat, was wearing a mask and he threatened to kill her. At the time he was 27 and lived in College Road, Isleworth.

He had come across the victim in a West End nightclub (think Eve Stratford). He put her car number plate into a police computer and found her address. He also sneaked into the bedrooms of schoolgirls and stole their underwear, later phoning them up to tell them he had "moved their underwear around".

Scotland Yard at the time he was jailed said that he was not connected to any unsolved murders. But back then some police officers suspected him of the murders of both Weedon and Parravincina.

I wonder what his alibi in the Parravincina case was. Maybe he was at home watching The Sweeney!

 

[dotr]

4 December 2013

Colin Campbell sentenced to life for Claire Woolterton 1981 murder

A convicted killer is sentenced to life in prison for murdering and mutilating a 17-year-old girl in 1981.

www.bbc.com

''A convicted killer has been sentenced to life in prison for murdering and mutilating a 17-year-old girl in 1981.
Claire Woolterton's naked body was found by the River Thames in Windsor. She had been sexually assaulted and her throat was cut.
Her murderer Colin Campbell went on to kill Deirdre Sainsbury in 1984, for which he is serving a life sentence.''
Advances in DNA analysis helped convict Campbell, 66, of Miss Woolterton's murder 32 years after her death.

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1983-05-12/1983-05-12?basicsearch=murder&somesearch=murder&retrievecountrycounts=false&sortorder=2&newspapertitle=reading%2Bevening%2Bpost

''... MURDER RIDDLE: EX-PC IS QUIZZED THAMES VALLEY detectives have questioned a jailed policeman about the baffling murder of teenager Claire Woolterton. Former PC Paul Thomas, sentenced at the Old Bailey last week to five and a half years for sex crimes, ...''
Published: Thursday 12 May 1983
Newspaper: Reading Evening Post

 

[SteveH]

Further to my previous post.

As Paul Thomas was jailed in 1983 I presume no DNA sample had (or has) been taken from him. I can't find anything else about him after his conviction but presume he was still alive when the Theroux doc came out in 2023.

If he had any involvement in the murders of Lynne Weedon and Eve Stratford in 1975 he would only have been around 19 years old. In the Elizabeth Parravincina [or Parravicini] case he would have been a couple of years older and he did live very close to her parents in Isleworth. Elizabeth lived in Italy but was staying with her parents at the time and had been returning from seeing Fellini's Casanova in the West End.

"Liz Graham was a popular and talented member of the [Questors Theatre in Ealing] Student Group in 1969/70, joining it shortly after leaving school...Unable to join the Second Year Group - she had decided instead to marry Ricc Parravicini, another popular and familiar figure at The Questors - nevertheless as an acting member she gave memorable performances in David Mowat's John in the 1971 New Plays Festival and in Ding Dong in the Christmas of that year. Shortly after that she and Ricc moved to Rome and started a family, but nevertheless kept in touch with many of their friends at The Questors.

On 8 September [1977], while on a visit to her family in Osterley, Liz was the victim of a brutal and senseless attack of unspeakable horror."

LIZ PARRAVICINI

A possibly linked case is the murder of Patsy Morris. From Wikipedia:

"Links have also been suggested between Weedon and Parravincina's murders and that of Patsy Morris, another local schoolgirl who was killed less than 2.5 miles away from Weedon at Hounslow Heath in 1980. Immediately after Morris's killing, it was noted in the press that she had been the third girl to be murdered in the area in the last 5 years, following the murders of Weedon and Parravincina in 1975 and 1977, respectively. Morris, 14, had gone missing from the area on 16 June of that year, and two days later was found half-naked and face down in undergrowth on the Heath, with her clothing pushed upwards over her body. This suggested a sexual motivation to the killing, as in Weedon's case, although there was in fact no sign of sexual assault or rape."

Interestingly given Paul Thomas' theft of a police radio, according to Cold Case Investigations UK:

"In December 1990 The Metropolitan Police put out an appeal for a man who had been seen driving a blue van and using a radio telephone or similar device. He had been seen using the device in a blue van close to Patsy’s home. Police do not believe that him to be a suspect in the murder but, they felt he may have seen something that would help identify Patsy’s killer. Was that man you? I am surprised that such a device was in use as early as 1980 and I suspect it was more like a walkie-talkie radio or Citizens Band (CB) radio."