Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[cottonweaver]

I am sorry if this has been asked, but could the police bring in mantrailing dogs to follow Nicola`s scent?

they did bring in sniffer dog ( was photographed on the boat) quite a few days ago.
They might still be using dogs as part of their searches. Every day 6 trained searches also do riverbanks.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Not sure but I have seen it reported by MSM TODAY

Can anybody find the reporting of PF today saying the river was lower today and there’s some rocks that you could put a footing on, and that he threw a large stick at the weir and waited 20 mins and it did not go over. Anyone? I can’t find it now! How frustrating!!!

 

[Fishwick]

This stuff is irresponsible reporting.

Agreed. I didn’t even think it was a good enough source to place on this website.

 

[GTB72]

I must try to cultivate a habit of putting times on posts, it saves a lot of confusion.

This stuff is irresponsible reporting.

Daily Mail. Quell Supris!

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

@mrjitty

RSBM
1. Search warrant required (unless permission given)

any self-respecting, upright citizen would allow the police in to look around in such a case, as they would be only to glad to help. Wouldn't you?

2. Do you think the owner would not notice is NB was in the house for days on end?

not going there as you have missed my inference.

 

[jackal67]

Oh dear

Dive expert says Nicola Bulley is NOT in the River Wyre

Paul Ansell, 44, yesterday visited the scene where the mother-of-two is believed to have vanished while walking her dog by the River Wyre on January 27.

www.dailymail.co.uk

is this the house on the opposite side of the river? Why say she could have left on the path without CCTV with a 3rd party rather than she could have left by herself!

 

[mrjitty]

I think the police are still searching towards the sea. It's the private search team who have decided to call it a day. IMO

The lower part of the river appears to be shallow, broad and tidal - so presumably not the kind of job that specialist team are suited to.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

No. 1 - This is obviously an assumption that the witness' wife made.
No. 2 - He's not been named as a suspect or POI so therefore can't be sleuthed.
No. 3 - As the Superintendent said the woman who found the dog didn't know Nicola, then it can't have been her.
No. 4 - Sounds like she's relaying second hand info. from her husband and she wasn't actually there that morning.

I think the man this refers to was the 70 year old walking towards Rowanwater that the police put out a request for as a possible witness? He wasn't named and didn't speak to the press but his wife spoke a day or two later on his behalf

 

[tree1]

I Wonder if the police have looked into all the mortgages she’s arranged? With rates etc going crazy, perhaps some person has been stretched beyond their means, lost their home and has blamed bad advice?

Highly unlikely I know, but so is every other scenario

I am generally surprised there hadn’t been more from work colleagues and her boss given that she had a meeting the evening before, was in a Teams meeting when she vanished etc. They may be maintaining a dignified silence of course, fair play to them. I know her boss made a comment early on that she was muted on the comestibles g call and no camera.

 

[kittythehare]

This stuff is irresponsible reporting.

They produce good photographs and if there is enough interest in a case they are good to stay on it BUT there may be an element of anti police bias which sickens me.

 

[hedgetog]

The police seem to have been so convinced they KNEW what had happened and looked no further.

Is it true, as friend says here, that that old house has STILL not been thoroughly searched? A scene right overlooking an area where a woman went missing? That is a gross oversight.

I know on the first day the owner apparently had a 'quick look round',

'Abandoned' home near where missing Nicola Bulley's phone found searched

'The abandoned house is right opposite the bench on the other side of the river, over a 10ft garden wall. It’s quite posh'

www.lancs.live

but a) that is a big house and would require more than a 'quick look round', and b) did they investigate the owner was in fact the owner? So house not abandoned because owner is around, and around the very morning NB disappeared.

Dive expert says Nicola Bulley is NOT in the River Wyre

Paul Ansell, 44, yesterday visited the scene where the mother-of-two is believed to have vanished while walking her dog by the River Wyre on January 27.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The police have been investigating other possibilities, they have 40 detectives assigned to the case and have made it clear they remain open minded. They have also sought support and 'peer review' from NCA who have confirmed that there aren't additional leads they believe have been neglected. Unless there is something that suggests it's a criminal investigation they can't just go demanding entry to peoples properties or getting warrants. I imagine they are just as frustrated by the policies and procedures in place, but those controls also protect us as citizens. JMO but just because there aren't any answers yet and they have put forward their most likely hypothesis not sure why some think they've solely focused on the river? Imagine they hadn't done extensive searches on a large body of water right by the last sighting, I'm sure people would also raise eyebrows at that.

 

[poirotoupierrot]

I think initially police insisted Nicola had had a fall into the river due to the time window suggested by sightings of her - it's not very much time, if you believe the times of the sightings of her are accurate.

My feeling was that as all the sightings of her were estimated times ( I read that she was seen at 9:10, and then someone found her dog, unharnessed and with lead off at 9:30), those times were up for debate. It may be that were accurate - you can check afterwards when your texts came in - after you saw your friend etc without looking at the clock at the time...

Due to the short window, the police perhaps assumed a fall, quite reasonably, as the chances of someone attacking her and abducting her in such a difficult-to-reach area within 15 minutes unnoticed were slim.

On the other hand, what if the phone was dropped when she was potentially attacked? Someone could have gone back and put it on the bench, ass suggested by investigators today. Or, if it was dropped (perhaps deliberately, by Nicola?), someone could have just found it and put it there - as people sometimes do with gloves or hats found on walks.

My other thoughts about her disappearing at that time are more to do with who knew she was there, and who knew she was on her phone. Do we even know how long she was up there walking?

If someone knew she was logged into a Teams call and also where she was, it would be easy enough to plan to put the phone there after something dreadful was done. Perhaps she never reached the bench. It would explain the lack of forensics. I have questions about the person who tied up the dog they didn't know.

Geographically, this suggests to me the police should be inspecting the possible exit-points. Properties nearby have been looked at. What about forensics at nearby car parks, roadsides etc.? Where was Nicola's usual entry point to a walk, and when she let the dog go where would she have logically wandered to both being to hear the call and see the dog? Where could she have been approached without seeing the person approaching? Why wouldn't she run if it was someone unknown to her?

My feeling is she was either approached silently and unaware of that known/unknown person approaching her, or else it was someone she knew and that's why she wasn't panicked. Whatever happened next possibly happened out of sight of the dog, and that's why it wasn't stressed. As far as the dog is concerned, Nicola is alive. For all we know, she may be?

 

[tree1]

I am generally surprised there hadn’t been more from work colleagues and her boss given that she had a meeting the evening before, was in a Teams meeting when she vanished etc. They may be maintaining a dignified silence of course, fair play to them. I know her boss made a comment early on that she was muted on the comestibles g call and no camera.

Predictive text! What the hell is comestibles‍

 

[factorfiction77]

So she was in the field with two men just before going missing?

Have the police spoken to them?

That seems to be where to start surely

Who is the wife, is she related to the case?

I Find it strange why he's not talking and she is

100% agree

 

[Sillybilly]

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[hedgetog]

I am generally surprised there hadn’t been more from work colleagues and her boss given that she had a meeting the evening before, was in a Teams meeting when she vanished etc. They may be maintaining a dignified silence of course, fair play to them. I know her boss made a comment early on that she was muted on the comestibles g call and no camera.

I'll be honest if a colleague of mine was missing I wouldn't be speaking to the press either or posting on social media about it.

 

[cottonweaver]

Can anybody find the reporting of PF today saying the river was lower today and there’s some rocks that you could put a footing on, and that he threw a large stick at the weir and waited 20 mins and it did not go over. Anyone? I can’t find it now! How frustrating!!!

he has done around 5 interviews today - they might already be in the Media Thread ( linked in post 1 at the start of the thread)

 

[kittythehare]

is this the house on the opposite side of the river? Why say she could have left on the path without CCTV with a 3rd party rather than she could have left by herself!

Did she say that?
Really?
She has been consistent in her statements that only one exit was not fully covered by CCTV.

Our CCTV enquiries have focused on Nicola’s movements and whether she could have left the fields near to the river, whether that be via Allotment Lane, the river path leading to Garstang Road, or by Rowanwater at the top of the upper field.

Most of our sightings of Nicola have been by witnesses who knew her and that has enabled us to plot her movements from the school, along the river path and into the field.

We can say with confidence that by reviewing CCTV, Nicola has not left the field during the key times via Rowanwater, either through the site itself or via the piece of land at the side.

Also, we can say that she did not return from the fields along Allotment Lane or via the path at the rear of the Grapes pub onto Garstang Road.

Our enquiries now focus on the river path which leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of January 27 to make contact. We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning.

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

lancashire.police.uk

Bit of a stretch to suggest she sneaked out, isn't it?

 

[msmarple99]

I think initially police insisted Nicola had had a fall into the river due to the time window suggested by sightings of her - it's not very much time, if you believe the times of the sightings of her are accurate.

My feeling was that as all the sightings of her were estimated times ( I read that she was seen at 9:10, and then someone found her dog, unharnessed and with lead off at 9:30), those times were up for debate. It may be that were accurate - you can check when your texts came in after you saw your friend etc without looking at the clock at the time etc.

Due to the short window, the police perhaps assumed a fall, quite reasonably, as the chances of someone attacking her and abducting her in such a difficult-to-reach area within 15 minutes unnoticed were slim.

On the other hand, what if the phone was dropped when she was potentially attacked? Someone could have gone back and put it on the bench. Or, if it was dropped, just found it and put it there - as people sometimes do with gloves or hats found on walks.

My other thoughts about her disappearing at that time are more to do with who knew she was there, and who knew she was on her phone. Do we even know how long she was up there?

If someone knew she was logged into a Teams call and also where she was, it would be easy enough to plan to put the phone there after something dreadful was done. Perhaps she never reached the bench. It would explain the lack of forensics. I have questions about the person who tied up the dog they didn't know.

Geographically, this suggest to me the police should be inspecting the possible exit-points. Properties nearby have been looked at. What about forensics at nearby car parks, roadsides etc.? Where was Nicola's usual entry point to a walk, and when she let the dog go where would she have logically wandered to both hear a call and see the dog? Where could she have been approached without seeing the person? Why wouldn't she run if it was someone unknown to her?

My feeling is she was either approached and unaware of that person approaching her, or else it was someone she knew and that's why she wasn't panicked. Whatever happened next possibly happened out of sight of the dog, and that's why it wasn't stressed. As far as the dog is concerned, Nicola is alive. For all we know, she may be?

Sorry but Willow was found "agitated"

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Predictive text! What the hell is comestibles‍

It has happened to me loads too on this site, I now know better to read it again before I post!