Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[Nine Lives]

Am I right in saying the phone was found still logged in to the zoom call? If Nicola was sat on the bench obviously on a call, then any potential hostile person would have to think twice about approaching her because all they would see is a lady on a phone call who could shout for help to whoever she is speaking with? I haven't been able to read back through all of these threads, so apologies if this has been discussed or is wide of the mark in some way.

 

[sriraaacha]

If this really was an attack/abduction or even a planned disappearance... wow. Pretty impressive. Honestly A * effort from the person/people involved, because this is the first case I've really followed that has been this mysterious with nothing much to go off. Small amount of witnesses, no evidence (that we are aware of) and not much CCTV footage either.

I do find it all so strange and I sort of always did although I still stand by I think she's in the river and it was an accidental death... I know everybody is moving away from that now just because she hasn't been found in there (esp by Peter and his team) but I don't believe that makes it impossible that her body could have travelled down the river like we've seen happen in other cases before. Seeing the pics yesterday I really felt for Paul... he just looked sad, confused, drained and everything else we can imagine. It's a horrible situation.

I'm interested to see what happens from here. I hope they explore all the other possibilities of what could've happened to Nicola, it's so scary to think that she could've been taken and there's no proof of anything. I have a feeling this type of planned attack in rural locations could become more of a thing after this and give some people ideas (if they think it'll be this easy to get away with it). I remember feeling this way after Sarah's abduction and then there was Sabina, Bobbi, Ashling all that followed.

 

[JennieM]

Am I right in saying the phone was found still logged in to the zoom call? If Nicola was sat on the bench obviously on a call, then any potential hostile person would have to think twice about approaching her because all they would see is a lady on a phone call who could shout for help to whoever she is speaking with? I haven't been able to read back through all of these threads, so apologies if this has been discussed or is wide of the mark in some way.

Her friends said she was often on loudspeaker so it wouldn't be immediately obvious (or at all) that she was using the phone.

 

[Andreee]

Then why isn't she in the river? Others have gone in to the same river and turned up weeks later but haven't been searched for as thoroughly as she has and can't find reports of anyone going in and never being found.

It is early days yet though. I have been following this case all along from a distance (Canada and I agree with LE that NB is in that river somewhere, (at least from what we in the public know), and they just haven't found her yet IMO. That river on google maps staggered me, as to the idea of how NB could've made it as far as the Irish Sea! Just the twists and turns, the variations in it, from shallow looking parts with rocks and sand showing, to deeper looking, etc. I mean, this is where waterway specialists for lack of better word would come into play IMO,and be a big determinate of that possibility. Could take months.

 

[russeverton]

Am I right in saying the phone was found still logged in to the zoom call? If Nicola was sat on the bench obviously on a call, then any potential hostile person would have to think twice about approaching her because all they would see is a lady on a phone call who could shout for help to whoever she is speaking with? I haven't been able to read back through all of these threads, so apologies if this has been discussed or is wide of the mark in some way.

She was last spotted on the upper field who said she was sat on the bench??

 

[JennieM]

She was last spotted on the upper field who said she was sat on the bench??

No one has ever been said to see her on the bench.

 

[JennieM]

It is early days yet though. I have been following this case all along from a distance (Canada and I agree with LE that NB is in that river somewhere, (at least from what we in the public know), and they just haven't found her yet IMO. That river on google maps staggered me, as to the idea of how NB could've made it as far as the Irish Sea! Just the twists and turns, the variations in it, from shallow looking parts with rocks and sand showing, to deeper looking, etc. I mean, this is where waterway specialists for lack of better word would come into play IMO,and be a big determinate of that possibility. Could take months.

I think they think she may have ended in the sea if she exited the fields and then entered the river from a different point. If that makes sense... That's my understanding.

 

[EyeSpyU]

some irrelevant rubbish I wrote .. DBM

she might have thought she knew, but then the name just escaped her as she was about to say it.

But I’ve read that in the press several times - which is why it stuck out to me.

I do know for a fact that when reporters print someone’s said “blah blah blah” it’s usually not been said by the person at all. The reporter will ask the witness “ Did you suddenly not remember whose dog it was?” and if they reply “yes”, it’s then printed as if the witness actually said all those words, when actually they only replied “ yes”.

 

[Andreee]

I think they think she may have ended in the sea if she exited the fields and then entered the river from a different point. If that makes sense... That's my understanding.

Yes, I had read that but it seems mindboggling IMO to me that she would've done that. HOWEVER, they know more than we do, so that is a possibility for sure!

 

[heatherc]

But I’ve read that in the press several times - which is why it stuck out to me.

I do know for a fact that when reporters print someone’s said “blah blah blah” it’s usually not been said by the person at all. The reporter will ask the witness “ Did you suddenly not remember whose dog it was?” and if they reply “yes”, it’s then printed as if the witness actually said all those words, when actually they only replied “ yes”.

Very valuable point.

 

[JennieM]

Has Cartford Inn being mentioned in the press at all today?

Just reposting this in case someone has read anything about it? It was mentioned yesterday in the press conference.

 

[JennieM]

Yes, I had read that but it seems mindboggling IMO to me that she would've done that. HOWEVER, they know more than we do, so that is a possibility for sure!

Everything seems to be a possibility...

 

[GTB72]

I think they think she may have ended in the sea if she exited the fields and then entered the river from a different point. If that makes sense... That's my understanding.

The Police are searching all the way to Knott End and even as far as Morecambe Bay. They must think there is a genuine chance she could travelled that far otherwise why do it. Yes, they obviously want to find NB for the family's sake but the costs must be astronomical. They must be convinced of their hypothesis. Imo.

 

[flowerpot]

Have been following this case since the start and like most of you it’s frying my brain! My first thoughts were that sadly NB had gone in the river based on what LP were saying but I can’t think of any other theories than have already been suggested on here.
My thoughts were…maybe it’s a cold morning, she needed to get back for work etc so she got back to the bench quicker as Willow had already had a run about. Maybe she briefly stopped at the bench putting the phone down whilst she put the harness back on Willow and then…?? She was distracted and stumbled in or (my suspicious mind kicking in) she was surprised by someone coming through the gate then..?? I notice from looking at google maps of the river area there’s a lot of shrubbery to the right of the bench as you look at the river…how well has that been searched, she was practically head to toe in dark clothing and not easy to spot even to the best trained eye IMO. MOO

 

[OrlandoJames]

Have been following this case since the start and like most of you it’s frying my brain! My first thoughts were that sadly NB had gone in the river based on what LP were saying but I can’t think of any other theories than have already been suggested on here.
My thoughts were…maybe it’s a cold morning, she needed to get back for work etc so she got back to the bench quicker as Willow had already had a run about. Maybe she briefly stopped at the bench putting the phone down whilst she put the harness back on Willow and then…?? She was distracted and stumbled in or (my suspicious mind kicking in) she was surprised by someone coming through the gate then..?? I notice from looking at google maps of the river area there’s a lot of shrubbery to the right of the bench as you look at the river…how well has that been searched, she was practically head to toe in dark clothing and not easy to spot even to the best trained eye IMO. MOO

The section of the river close to the bench has been thoroughly searched and she has not been found. It is likely that she is further downstream somewhere.

 

[Petrocelli]

Do they know for sure the cctv wasn’t working or is this just what they’ve been told.
Seems quite a quiet area so where does everyone else walk their dogs when they’ve dropped off school kids. Is there a reason hardly anyone goes to the fields such as issues with walking off lead.

 

[kiwi50]

This story only reached NZ mainstream media yesterday.
slighly off topic, but here is a report of a man who died in a river here in the last few days.
Strong swimmer, and a diver, admitedly a much higher bank, but when found, his eyes were closed, and he had a bump on his head, they are surmising he was knocked out in the fall.

'Friendly, funny' man who died in Ruakākā River likely fell down riverbank

Josh Birss died after going missing from a party on a riverbank property in the early hours of the morning.

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[CarmenSantiago]

I always assumed there are academic experts on water flows and all the science involved in that- I imagine police would have consulted such experts to understand feasibility/timings etc. based on the relevant natural forces alone- there is certainly some science/relevant calculations that can be made to make a pretty strong working assumption/hypothesis. I would be extremely surprised if the police don’t have such expert analysis/input and the fact they haven’t ruled that out means that potentially the expert advice is suggesting, yes, it is “scientifically” possible that sadly a human can fall into river and not have surfaced/been found yet.

This is a very tricky case as of course, despite being the most likely turn of events, there is no supporting evidence.

 

[EyeSpyU]

She was last spotted on the upper field who said she was sat on the bench??

I believe she was sat on the bench as that was the area where Willow was found.

Secondly, why and how could an abductor take NB from the upper field and then quickly place her phone on the bench - all within minutes - whilst holding NB captive before hauling her out the fields?

And how would they know that just that one CCTV camera wasn’t working?

I can’t see that at all…

 

[acutename]

Then why isn't she in the river? Others have gone in to the same river and turned up weeks later but haven't been searched for as thoroughly as she has and can't find reports of anyone going in and never being found.

I can think of at least 5 other missing people who fell into water (streams, lakes) and the bodies were not discovered for months. Kiely
Rodini went into a lake with an entire car and it was difficult to locate her (on WS and 3 of the others are too). I do not understand why people think it would be easy or quick to locate the body- I can think of several people who went missing in the winter and were found the next spring. The pictures of the river show uneven banks and lots of confounding vegetation IMO. I do think it is odd that lots of people seem to go on this trail and nothing happens to them so why her, why now? She seemed fit, alert and unimpaired so it is odd. IMO. Not easy to understand.