UK - Nurse duped by prankster regarding royal, found dead.

[Donjeta]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-loving-family-arrive-India-body-funeral.html

The saddest journey home: Body of nurse found hanged after being hoaxed by DJs arrives back in Indian for funeral accompanied by her devastated family

King Edward VII Hospital nurse Jacintha Saldanha, 46, was found dead
Body flown to India where husband and two children arrive for funeral
Comes after emotional tributes at Westminster Cathedral mass yesterday

By Mark Duell

PUBLISHED: 14:20 GMT, 16 December 2012 | UPDATED: 16:55 GMT, 16 December 2012

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[Walk A Mile]

Although I wonder if I am the only one to notice a slight undercurrent of racism. Once it was revealed the nurse was Indian, they were going on about how it was never their intention to do what they did as they assumed the bad accents woudl be picked up. It comes across as blaming the nurse for not being able to differentiate between the accents.

The nurse who they spoke to the longest and who gave them the information on the Duchess sounded like a native English speaker. The Indian nurse merely answered the phone and transferred the call.

 

[Frigga]

I am truly sorry if I offend anyone for saying this, but if it is true that Jacintha wrote a note blaming the DJ's for her death then my feelings about her suicide change dramatically. That is a whole new realm of cruel imvho. Where were her concerns for her children and husband? This was revenge upon the DJ's? Please someone help me because I'm not sure I understand.

 

[Estelle]

"Jacintha had ‘long-running disagreement’ with colleague

Note critical of senior staff of King Edward VII Hospital found among her papers: The Sunday Times

A note critical of the senior staff of King Edward VII Hospital found among nurse Jacintha Saldanha’s papers related to events before the hoax call controversy, according to The Sunday Times.

“The new evidence suggests for the first time that Saldanha had been troubled before the hoax call was made by an Australian radio station,” it said.

Initially, it was thought that the criticism related to the hospital’s treatment of Ms. Saldanha following the hoax call row. Three days after taking the call that led to medical details of the Duchess of Cambridge being disclosed to two Australian DJs, she was found hanging in her house.

The paper said Scotland Yard had been told that Saldanha had a long-running “personal disagreement” with a colleague. She reportedly formally complained of her “disappointment” that the hospital had failed to take firm action against a fellow staff member.

“Jacintha was involved in a personal disagreement with a colleague several weeks before the prank call. The hospital had decided not to take any formal action but to put the two nurses on separate shifts. Jacintha made clear her disappointment and that she was not happy. She felt the hospital should have taken a tougher line. She was critical of that,” it quoted an “insider” as saying.

The hospital said it stood by Saldanha’s handling of the call even though she did not strictly follow the procedure for dealing with calls for “high-profile” patients.

The “insider” also claimed that shortly after the hospital learnt about the call, a matron sent Saldanha an e-mail telling her: “Don’t worry.”

“The deputy matron and one other hospital manager also spoke to her [Saldanha] to tell her not to worry and that there would be no disciplinary action.”

Last week, the coroner leading an inquest into her death was told that Saldanha left three handwritten notes. One dealt with the hoax call, a second related to her funeral arrangements and a third, addressed to the hospital, contained criticism of the staff."

http://www.thehindu.com/news/interna...cle4207693.ece

My guess is that the note complaining about the hospital could have been the one found in her possessions. It could have even been written before the hoax call. I would, therefore, not call it a "suicide note". But it gives us a reason why she must have felt so unsupported, isolated and unhappy about hospital management long before the hoax call.

Then, as a senior nurse, to be put on the night shift answering phone calls would have felt like punishment to her when she thought she was doing the right thing reporting a subordinate giving management the reasons for her complaint abour her junior. This could have been workplace bullying or racial discrimination by the junior who then ends up with the better day shift.

I am suspicious that someone in the hospital gave out that phone no to the DJs either directly or indirectly (as you would expect it to be a silent no) in order to embarrass Jacintha in retaliation.

IMO the only genuine part of that phone call was Jacintha's six words “Oh yes, just hold on ma’am,” which could have been pre-recorded by anyone anywhere at any time. IMO The rest has been done by actors and the different pieces put together later thinking it was only going to a few thousand radio audiences in Sydney, Australia.

However, probably this insider could have drawn attention to it in London and leaked it to the British media to further upset Jacintha but it was also tweeted. Maybe Jacintha realised who might have given out that phone no and who would have had a reason for setting this up to embarrass her.

The other note about the hoax call was probably about her feelings about all this on the day it occurred hence her emails to management who again did nothing except to say, "Don't worry". Jacintha must have felt isolated as a result as if no one was listening to her.

The only real suicide note was the one about her funeral arrangements. This could have been genuine, forged or Jacintha could have been forced to write it if it was a faked suicide. It appears that she may not have addressed her husband and children in this note which IMO seems strange.

Therefore, I would love to know who gave the DJs the phone no. If phoned from Australia, there should have been 13 nos dialled which there are not on the recording. Did someone in London record Jacintha saying these 6 words and then send it to someone in Australia to give to a radio station to do what they wanted with it or was there a more direct sinister motive perhaps by this junior?

 

[Cherwell]

Thanks for posting that report, which now seems to have been pulled. Very interesting.

Then, as a senior nurse, to be put on the night shift answering phone calls would have felt like punishment to her

Are you sure it was like that? I doubt that there are many phone calls during the typical night shift, this is not a hospital with A&E so I imagine it's pretty quiet at night. She was probably on normal night shift duties, which would include answering the occasional ringing phone.

The rest of your theory, sorry but I find it very far-fetched.

 

[Donjeta]

The report is still there, just a broken link in the previous post.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...isagreement-with-colleague/article4207693.ece

 

[Estelle]

Thanks for posting that report, which now seems to have been pulled. Very interesting.

Are you sure it was like that? I doubt that there are many phone calls during the typical night shift, this is not a hospital with A&E so I imagine it's pretty quiet at night. She was probably on normal night shift duties, which would include answering the occasional ringing phone.

The rest of your theory, sorry but I find it very far-fetched.

I might sound far-fetched but I have been trying to find a motive as this hoax call seems to be a spoof to embarrass Jacintha - not to get private inormation on Kate as the second nurse sounded so unprofessional almost laughing all the time. Who could have had a motive? The junior Jacintha reported. How else would they have got that phone no? I would have thought it would have been a secret one which only hospital staff would have known. Do you think they just looked up the hospital no online? The second nurse sounds either like an actress or could have been the junior who knew they were going to call. We need to find out more about this junior and the second nurse.

 

[Estelle]

The report is still there, just a broken link in the previous post.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...isagreement-with-colleague/article4207693.ece

Thanks for that. I cannot edit it now.

Another newspaper today had the heading that Jacintha was demeaned by the hospital via emails.

 

[Donjeta]

Is there a link saying the DJ's called a secret phone number? It has not been my experience that hospital wards are that hard to call, if you call the central switchboard they'll put you through even if you don't know the direct extension, but I'm not in the UK.

 

[jjenny]

Is there a link saying the DJ's called a secret phone number? It has not been my experience that hospital wards are that hard to call, if you call the central switchboard they'll put you through even if you don't know the direct extension, but I'm not in the UK.

I think the whole point is that they didn't call a "secret" phone number. They called the switchboard and the nurse (who later killed herself) put them through to the private line.

 

[jjenny]

I might sound far-fetched but I have been trying to find a motive as this hoax call seems to be a spoof to embarrass Jacintha...

I think these DJs could care less about Jacintha and had no idea who she was. You should really listen to the whole call. Seriously. She was never named in the phone call.

 

[wfgodot]

I am truly sorry if I offend anyone for saying this, but if it is true that Jacintha wrote a note blaming the DJ's for her death then my feelings about her suicide change dramatically. That is a whole new realm of cruel imvho. Where were her concerns for her children and husband? This was revenge upon the DJ's? Please someone help me because I'm not sure I understand.

Are we not allowed to name those who hurt us?

 

[jjenny]

Are we not allowed to name those who hurt us?

Most people would, IMO.

 

[Estelle]

Is there a link saying the DJ's called a secret phone number? It has not been my experience that hospital wards are that hard to call, if you call the central switchboard they'll put you through even if you don't know the direct extension, but I'm not in the UK.

So was it like this?

1. Main hospital central switchboard so phone no online for everyone to use

2. Ward where Jacintha was working - DJs seem to have phoned DIRECT

3. Kate's Ward

I cannot work this out.

IMO Jacintha was not on main switchboard. She was on a night shift where she occasionally answered the phone but also did nursing duties.

When you listen to the video, you can hear the call coming in from Australia and Jacintha answers it as if the DJs know the direct line to where Jacintha is working.

They seem to have bypassed the main switchboard.

Or do you think that Jacintha as a senior nurse was on main switchboard?

IMO they should have had a royal security guard manning that phone ward no or at least the direct ward phone.

That is why I think the second nurse was an actress or someone who knew in advance that that call was coming in and there was no royal phone security at that time.

IMO the DJs must have been given inside knowledge of some sort.

Can anyone enlighten me?

 

[Estelle]

I think the whole point is that they didn't call a "secret" phone number. They called the switchboard and the nurse (who later killed herself) put them through to the private line.

That is what appears to be the case but Jacintha seems to have had to do nursing duties as well as answering the calls. Normally a trained main switchboard operator would be on the main switchboard - not a nurse - even at night. That is what happens in Australia. Nurses only answer phones at the ward.

 

[Frigga]

Are we not allowed to name those who hurt us?

Saying someone hurt you or you were hurt by someone is one thing- saying that they are responsible for your death is another- like I said MOO.

 

[Estelle]

I think these DJs could care less about Jacintha and had no idea who she was. You should really listen to the whole call. Seriously. She was never named in the phone call.

What I meant to say to embarrass her at the hospital who would have recognised her voice. I am suspicous that the idea came from an insider in the hospital who had a grudge against Jacintha.

 

[Donjeta]

Well, I don't know but she said

"Hello, good morning, King Edward VII Hospital."

which sounds to me like something that somebody on a main switchboard could say. People answering the phone on a ward direct extension may say the name of the ward.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...t-hoax-call-by-2dayfm-djs-20121210-2b5gr.html

 

[jjenny]

What I meant to say to embarrass her at the hospital who would have recognised her voice. I am suspicous that the idea came from an insider in the hospital who had a grudge against Jacintha.

These DJs explained exactly what their goal was before they started their prank. I am positive that they had no clue who Jacintha was when they made their phone call, and embarrassing her specifically wasn't their goal.

 

[Estelle]

Are we not allowed to name those who hurt us?

I see it as a series of events:

TIMELINE as I see it now

1. ABOUT FOUR WEEKS BEFORE: Senior nurse reports junior nurse for what could have been racial discrimination or workplace bullying. Management does nothing except to put Jacintha on night shift leaving junior on day shift. Jacintha feels that this is unfair and unjust - hence her emails to management are found and another note about it in her possessions. I would not have thought this was a suicide note but gives some explanation for Jacintha's mental health as the bullying, etc. could have been going on for months before she reported it.

2. TUESDAY 7TH DECEMBER: 5.30AM Jacintha is on night duty as a senior nurse who also answers calls. She quickly takes a call, does not vet it and puts it through to Kate's ward nurse who IMO should have vetted the call herself. But appears to go along with the call giving me the impression she knew it was coming in as what she said was very unprofessional. Jacintha is told by hospital staff that it was a prank call and the whole world is listening to it but her name has not been released so matron sends email, "Don't worry." Jacintha feels embarrassed in front of the hospital staff who know her voice and could wonder who put the DJs up to it and suspects someone in the hospital. She is told that there will be a meeting the next week to talk about it. She can take time off but she chooses to continue to work and feels isolated and unheard by management. So she writes a note about the hoax call and how she feels about it to defend her actions as no one is listening to her at the hospital as she fears losing her job the next week. This is not IMO a suicide note about how she feels so she can tell staff.

3. FRIDAY 7TH DECEMBER 9.30AM: Jacintha is burnt out and depressed with the stress she has been under for many months with what has been going on at the hospital and feels that no one has seen her point of view and she will lose her job the next week. She then writes what I call a real suicide note which gives instructions about her funeral and where she wants to be buried. So she hangs herself with a scarf attached to her wardrobe door. There could have been foul play too in staging this as a suicide by someone with a motive to put an end to her before the truth comes out. I suspect someone in the hospital. Has Jacintha given any clues to this possibility in any of her notes if she was forced to write this note before her death? Did they look for DNA on her body, on the scarf and in the room? Or have they been told to cover it up?

I have been looking at this case globally to see what the gen3eral view is.

1. INDIA: suspect murder, blame hospital, want photocopies of suicide notes, want second post mortem

2. AUSTRALIA: silly prank call, Jacintha was not named publicly, the DJs certainly did not expect this outcome and have remorse and are bullied themselves with death threats. Australians think there is much more to the story as it does not make sense and two thirds do not think DJs are to blame.

3. UNITED KINGDOM: Media keep blaming the DJs in every article so the British public is brainwashed.

IMO there is a cover up at least by the hospital to protect their royal image and the police should have treated it as a possible murder from Day 1. The hoax call IMO could have been part of a more devious plan and the DJs were tricked into it. IMO it is not something you would normally think of doing as you would assume that there would have been very strict security on the phones by royal staff. No call should have got through. IMO the DJs could have been given this inside information of a leak in the security at night to not only make the hospital look bad but also Jacintha. Was it Jacintha's junior nurse?

I realise my suspicions might seem far-fetched but why hasn't the hospital answered the husband's questions yet? Their silence makes them look guilty.
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