I haven't heard any evidence of gossip, or that she started to pick up on gossip. Or evidence of why she didn't take time off.
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That was 10 months before she was moved to admin, and was about whether she was too junior to be looking after the sicker babies in room 1. Your post referred to her hearing gossip after she was moved to admin.
I thought it was strange that she wrote "they have no evidence," but then later asks if they have "written evidence to support their comments."
We haven't heard the full details of how she was moved to clerical duties , so this is pure speculation ...but I'm wondering if initially they just found one thing she allegedly did or didnt do whilst caring for Baby Q or whichever baby the first datix report was raised about (before LL's datix report)and removed her whilst that was investigated. Rather than mentioning all the other concerns straight away. And the grievance and asking for written evidence etc may then just have been about whatever reason they initially gave for removing her, rather than about all the concerns the consultants had raised.
'they have no evidence' is a very strange thing to write, because (IMO) it speaks from a mind that has contemplated crime and evidence of crime. I'm not sure anyone would have said or implied anything to her about intention, the police investigation and medical investigation was to find out if crimes had been committed.
I'm not sure that that is true. The reports said something along the lines of "...neighbours reported seeing a man coming and going..." but that's not quite the same. If she was in the habit of borrowing Dr Choc's car then it would be reasonable that he'd be seen collecting it, for example.
My suspicion is that that is what the grievance she apparently raised was all about?
Can anyone clarify the nature of these handover sheets? My thoughts were that the handover sheets were not specific to each nurse but to the whole shift so that everyone knew what everyone else was doing and which patients were designated to them?
I think he just offered her the weekend off which would have been paid. It’s very unusual in the public sector to offer unpaid leave. Even when suspended, employees are on paid leave the vast majority of the time. IME.
I think written evidence means the conclusions of research done on the things that ll could have done wrong. the “no evidence“ statement is curious because I always wondered who told her that or where she got that idea. I wouldn’t have guessed that would be information she was privy to at that point. If I were to guess I might say it was involved in the conversation between Karen Rees and herself. Was the exact reason the doctors concerns were dismissed by senior management. I might guess and say that was information shared between whoever told LL she was on clerical pending investigation, shared as a reassurance about the situation. I would guess it went “Lucy, following some unexplained events we have decided to put you on a non clinical role until we have reached a conclusion about these situations. We don’t have any evidence about why these things happened but we need to get to the bottom of it”. Something like that anyway.
im not sure but if I was accused of something like that by an organisation I had spent years building a relationship with and had a good reputation with i would fight tooth and claw to clear my name, once I had achieved that I would then consider moving. Could guarantee I wouldn’t be able to look at the staff the same. I would be so hurt, so angry, so confused and so 100% dedicated to ensuring my name was cleared I wouldn’t just run. Especially if these are people who I valued. All if I knew I hadn’t done anything wrong. I would do my best to understand the situation but I would still be angry probably beyond control.
I’m not sure it’s a fob off, it could literally just be a way of saying “we have no legal precedent for acting because of no evidence and a nurse being in A hospital is not evidence of anything“.
