UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #2

[Tortoise]

2m ago16:02

Court adjourned for the day​

Tomorrow, the prosecution opening will continue with the case of Child C.
Proceedings resume Tuesday at 10.30am.

https://news.sky.com/story/lucy-let...n-trial-12716378?postid=4632474#liveblog-body

 

[norealnameshere]

Would there be any sensible reasons as to why a patient record sheet would be found at her home?

Stuck it in your pocket and forgot to bung it in the confidential waste bin before going home I would imagine.
It's described as a "handover sheet". That's not something that would be filed in the medical record, normally, but more of a communication sheet between shifts.

 

[Sarahlou]

2m ago15:39

Letby searched for victims' families on Facebook after alleged attacks​

It was to be more than three years after Child A's death before Lucy Letby was arrested and interviewed.
In her first interview, Letby told police she had wondered at the time "whether the bag of fluid was not what we thought it was".
Prosecuting, Nick Johnson KC describes this as an "interesting turn of phrase" given that experts "have concluded that the poisoner put the insulin in the fluid bags" given to Child F and Child L.
Letby claimed she had asked for fluids to be kept from the bags "to be checked".
"There is no record of her having made such a request," says Mr Johnson.
Police later questioned Letby about why she had tracked the families of her alleged victims on Facebook.
"Lucy Letby's interest in the families of the children who we say she attacked is another feature of the case which we will see as the evidence emerges," he says.
"We suggest it is an unusual interest and we will see that on occasions she searched in quick succession for several of the families of children's names who appear on this indictment."

Lucy Letby trial - live: 'Baby A' died 90 minutes after 'poisoner' nurse came on shift, jury hears

I wonder if she was looking at the Facebook pages to see the reactions of the families/loved ones to the deaths?

Be interesting to hear more about this

 

[Marantz4250b]

I wonder if she was looking at the Facebook pages to see the reactions of the families/loved ones to the deaths?

That would appear to be the implication, I think.

 

[JosieJo]

Would there be any sensible reasons as to why a patient record sheet would be found at her home?

Could easily be left in a pocket...but would need to know if any others were in the house ...if not would be a huge coincidence especially years later

 

[Konstantin]

Would there be any sensible reasons as to why a patient record sheet would be found at her home?

None (and it violates patient confidentiality.)

 

[Tortoise]

Would there be any sensible reasons as to why a patient record sheet would be found at her home?

I wonder why she wouldn't have burned it or just thrown it away, I don't see the point in taking it otherwise.

 

[bastien]

Would be interested to know how common it is for a nurse to have signed the blood gas records for a patient who isn't their designated patient. I'm not a medical professional but personally it wouldn't appear too odd to me as the nurses work in a team. That's just my speculation though.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I wonder why she wouldn't have burned it or just thrown it away, I don't see the point in taking it otherwise.

Hasn't it been suggested that part of the reason for searching properties was to find any potential "trophies"?

 

[Tortoise]

I wonder if she was looking at the Facebook pages to see the reactions of the families/loved ones to the deaths?

Be interesting to hear more about this

Do we know if it was after her first arrest?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Would be interested to know how common it is for a nurse to have signed the blood gas records for a patient who isn't their designated patient. I'm not a medical professional but personally it wouldn't appear too odd to me as the nurses work in a team. That's just my speculation though.

It sounds perfectly plausible, to be honest. You're just signing to confirm a fact, after all. Indeed, it would seem unlikely that you'd sign the sheet of a patient you weren't allocated to if you intended to murder them in a few minutes. Good way of bringing attention to yourself.

 

[JosieJo]

Do we know if it was after her first arrest?

This is what I thought...we need to.know when she searched

 

[Marantz4250b]

Do we know if it was after her first arrest?

This would seem relevant; potentially suspicious if at the time of the death (or maybe not) but possibly far less suspicious if after she'd been arrested?

 

[JosieJo]

It sounds perfectly plausible, to be honest. You're just signing to confirm a fact, after all. Indeed, it would seem unlikely that you'd sign the sheet of a patient you weren't allocated to if you intended to murder them in a few minutes. Good way of bringing attention to yourself.

I think they are mentioning the blood gases because its likely they were taken via an arterial line. And the arterial line is where air could be injected into the bloodstream.
The baby collapsed shortly after LL doing the blood gas

 

[Marantz4250b]

I think they are mentioning the blood gases because its likely they were taken via an arterial line. And the arterial line is where air could be injected into the bloodstream.
The baby collapsed shortly after LL doing the blood gas

Ah, right, I see.

I think she said in interview that it would be pretty hard to do that? Can anyone confirm that? Or not, obviously.

 

[Kokopie]

Followed this case for years, always wanted to believe she was innocent. As I nurse myself and listening to todays evidence I’m beginning to believe otherwise. My thoughts are with the families of those precious babies x

 

[Bakers]

This would seem relevant; potentially suspicious if at the time of the death (or maybe not) but possibly far less suspicious if after she'd been arrested?

The Question was put to her in interview of 2020

 

[Marantz4250b]

The Question was put to her in interview of 2020

It's when she did the actual searching which matters though. She'd been arrested twice prior to that.

 

[Goldflamingo]

Following the case with an open mind but a bit perturbed about the following.

I completely understand how a handover sheet may accidently be taken home in the pocket of a uniform. I even understand why someone may want to keep hold of it temporarily after a medical incident in case they are questioned in the following days and have to give a statement.

However the handover sheet was about Child B born in June 2015, the child had recovered and been discharged. The discovery of this handover must have been made years later as LL was not arrested until 2018 and not questioned about this handover sheet until November 2020.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Following the case with an open mind but a bit perturbed about the following.

I completely understand how a handover sheet may accidently be taken home in the pocket of a uniform. I even understand why someone may want to keep hold of it temporarily after a medical incident in case they are questioned in the following days and have to give a statement.

However the handover sheet was about Child B born in June 2015, the child had recovered and been discharged. The discovery of this handover must have been made years later as LL was not arrested until 2018 and not questioned about this handover sheet until November 2020.

I think it's perfectly reasonable that she still had it. She may not even have realised she still had it, after all.