UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #21

[Tortoise]

I seem to remember that the nurse Ashley H explained that the lights were off b/c of Baby's condition (neurological???).

And she chose the photo of the room (dark one) -
wasn't it an agreed fact?

Or am I mistaken?

JmO

"Baby I was in a 'hot cot' with a 'tent-like' canopy over the top of it to shield the infant's face so she was neither disturbed nor suffered any impact on her neurological development.

'It covers about half of the cot,' she said. 'The upper part'.

Nurse Hudson said that after Letby made her remark about Baby I looking pale she looked towards the infant.

'I couldn't see her. I could see that she was in the cot, but I couldn't see the top half because she was covered by the canopy. I switched the main light on'."

Lucy Letby 'was in tears as she said 'it's always me when it happens'

Lucy Letby, 33, denies murdering seven babies and attempting to murder 10 others between June 2015 and June 2016.

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[marynnu]

Re. Baby I and the light levels in the nursery, I'm not sure how much it really matters. They obviously used a canopy which pretty much excluded all light from the baby's face. So I'm not sure if you could judge how pale she was anyway.
(We used something similar for the incubators where I worked, and you couldn't see the babies at all!).

 

[Anxala]

Something that stuck in my mind today was regards the lightning in the room when she said she saw the baby looked pale ... she states it wasn't that dark .. yet admits they put the light up to only then see the baby was very unwell...it just doesn't sit right with me

I know it's a typo but ^ that made me laugh. A flash of lightning through the window might explain how the baby was suddenly visible in the dark.

 

[JosieJo]

I know it's a typo but ^ that made me laugh. A flash of lightning through the window might explain how the baby was suddenly visible in the dark.

Blooming predicted text .. nightmare

 

[Dotta]

Blooming predicted text .. nightmare

If there is lightning, there will be a thunder!!!
I guess it predicted right

 

[katydid23]

I don't know why Dr J never raised it with LL at the start of his suspicions.
Hardly going to solve a situation discussing behind someone's back for a year.
You can't learn from mistakes if you don't get told you might be making them.
I'd appreciate been told sooner rather than later anyway.

It is kind of hard to accuse a co-worker of killing babies. That is a very intense accusation to make---especially without any solid evidence to point to.

 

[katydid23]

His concerns.
He wished he went straight to the police but i would think the 1st port of call would be talking with her.

If he really thought she might be killing babies, would he really consider asking her about it? Would it be something she'd ever admit to? Is it really his place to ask a question like that?

 

[katydid23]

Some testimony about baby I/lighting in nursery 2 [note she is currently giving evidence about baby G not baby I]

Nurse Hudson's testimony:

'The main light for the room was switched off but the light in the corridor was on. So you were able to do things in the room and have enough light to see where your patients were and where the equipment was.'

Lucy Letby 'was in tears as she said 'it's always me when it happens'

Lucy Letby, 33, denies murdering seven babies and attempting to murder 10 others between June 2015 and June 2016.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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It was put to her that it would have been impossible to recall the exact lighting on the day in question.
She said she "couldn't claim for it to be precise, but it has been an image that has been imprinted on my brain for quite some time".

Lucy Letby: Murder-accused nurse cried over baby collapses, court told

Lucy Letby said it felt like babies often became seriously ill on her shifts, a doctor tells a jury.

www.bbc.co.uk

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LL's police interviews:

For the October 13 incident, she did recall that incident. She said she put on the light when she entered the room with nurse Ashleigh Hudson and noted Child I looked pale.

Lucy Letby, in a subsequent police interview, said...

For the October 13 incident, Letby agreed it would have been difficult to see if Child I was pale without the lights being on.
She thought she and Ashleigh Hudson had been at the doorway when noting Child I was pale. She could not recall if there was a prior examination. She said “maybe I spotted something that Ashley wasn’t able to spot” because she was “more experienced than Ashley”. She said there was still light coming into the room from the corridor and there would be some natural light.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Friday, February 10

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

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So if it is not accurate what she just recently said about 'the lights always being on in the critical babies rooms' ----the prosecution is going to make a big deal out of that newly crafted testimony. JMO

 

[katydid23]

It seems to me that the only mention of baby G being left on a procedure trolley is LL. She testified she moved her to her cot before calling for help.

And she is now blaming Dr Gibbs for the transgression?

 

[Kemug]

If he really thought she might be killing babies, would he really consider asking her about it? Would it be something she'd ever admit to? Is it really his place to ask a question like that?

Besides, it's not very wise to question a possible murderer about what they're doing, is it - they could decide not to let you talk to anyone else about it.

 

[Becci]

If he really thought she might be killing babies, would he really consider asking her about it? Would it be something she'd ever admit to? Is it really his place to ask a question like that?

I suppose it's a situation where you don't know what to do for the best.
I thought i sounded right but then when reading yours you sound right lol

 

[Becci]

Besides, it's not very wise to question a possible murderer about what they're doing, is it - they could decide not to let you talk to anyone else about it.

Lol

 

[katydid23]

Re. Baby I and the light levels in the nursery, I'm not sure how much it really matters. They obviously used a canopy which pretty much excluded all light from the baby's face. So I'm not sure if you could judge how pale she was anyway.
(We used something similar for the incubators where I worked, and you couldn't see the babies at all!).

If true, that the canopies excluded seeing the light on the baby's faces, then LL's testimony yesterday, explaining that the lights were always left on so they could see the skin colour of the faces makes no sense.

 

[katydid23]

I suppose it's a situation where you don't know what to do for the best.
I thought i sounded right but then when reading yours you sound right lol

I think your view is correct, if he thought she was making serious errors that were harmful. Speaking to her about that makes sense. But if she was doing it on purpose, no reason to mention it himself, IMO.

 

[ColourPurple]

Dan O'Donoghue
@MrDanDonoghue

Mr Myers is continuing to ask Ms Lebty about the events surrounding Child I, the nurse's ninth alleged victim. The court has heard that on 30 September 2015, she needed emergency attention after she vomited and her heart-rate dropped.

She collapsed again on 13 and 14 October, before a fatal deterioration on 23 October. A medical expert for the prosecution told the court she had been "been subjected to an infusion of air"

Mr Myers asks if Ms Letby was involved in the attempt to save Child I on her final collapse in the early hours of 23 October. She says yes. She also says she was there when Child I died and assisted the baby's designated nurse, Ashleigh Hudson, with the process that followed

She said: 'It was Ashleigh's first experience of a death so I assisted her with the bereavement paperwork and process…I supported her with things that needed to be done….I gave her more support because it was her first time'

Ms Letby recalls that following the death there was a funeral for Child I. Several of the nurses on the unit attended - she could not as she was working

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[ColourPurple]

10:38am

Benjamin Myers KC, for Letby's defence, rises to continue asking Lucy Letby questions in the case of Child I.

He asks about the events of October 22-23, 2015, and Letby's involvement in those events.
He asks if she was involved in the efforts to assist Child I after 1.06am. She confirms she did.

She recalls going to see Child I at one point, and helping nurse Ashleigh Hudson settle her, but does not recall at what point that was.
She recalls being present when Child I died, and recalls the parents being there.

She says it was the first time Ashleigh Hudson had experienced a loss as designated nurse, and Letby says she assisted her in the bereavement procedure for the parents.

The funeral of Child I was on November 10, 2015. Letby says "more than two" members of staff attended that funeral, and this was not a usual occasion.

She tells the court she was not at the funeral as she was working. Letby's working shifts rota is shown to the court for November, showing Letby was working a series of nights on November 9-10, 10-11 and 11-12.

Letby said she was advised by other members of staff to send a card to the family, which would be passed to them at the funeral.

Letby's sympathy card is shown to the court. She said she gave it to one of the nurses who was going to the funeral.

She tells the court she took the photo while at work.
She said it was "normal behaviour" for her to take a photo of the card.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Tuesday, May 16 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[ColourPurple]

The court has previously been shown an image of a condolence card Ms Letby sent to the family of Child I ahead of her funeral on 10 November.

Asked about this, Ms Letby says: 'I was advised by other staff that I could send a card to the family via people going to the funeral and that’s what I did'

She tells the court she took the photo of the card on her phone while at work and said it was 'normal behaviour' for her to take photos of cards she sent/received

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[marynnu]

I think your view is correct, if he thought she was making serious errors that were harmful. Speaking to her about that makes sense. But if she was doing it on purpose, no reason to mention it himself, IMO.

I don't see any doctor criticising a nurse's competency to their face (or vice versa, for that matter). The correct thing would be to raise concerns with the ward manager.

 

[ColourPurple]

10:42am

A photo of another card written by Lucy Letby is shown to the court, of her congratulating her "close friend" on the birth of her daughter.
Letby says she would "regularly" take photos of cards that she would send, and had done so "for many years".
She says she would also take photos of cards she would receive.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Tuesday, May 16 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[ColourPurple]

Dan O'Donoghue
@MrDanDonoghue·

We're now moving onto Child J. She was born prematurely at the Countess of Chester in late October 2015 and transferred to Alder Hey Children's Hospital in Liverpool on 1 November as she had a bowel condition which required surgery.

The baby girl returned to Chester on 10 November, where she remained stable until 27 November, when she suffered two unexplained seizures within a half-hour period.

A medical expert for the prosecution has previously told the court that her collapse could be "consistent with some form of obstruction of her airways, such as smothering"

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