GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #4

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12:21pm

Intelligence analyst Claire Hocknell is continuing the walkthrough of electonic evidence to help jurors navigating through it.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, Tuesday, October 18

 

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12:03pm

The court had earlier heard messages sent between Letby and colleagues.
Letby said in one message to a colleague, regarding the death of Child A: "Think we all need answers."
She later messaged to say she had been watching 'An Hour to Save Your Life', about a life working in a neonatal unit.
Letby's colleague responded: "...don't really watch thinks like that...get enough in work".
Letby responded: "I just find it interesting, to see how our work is portrayed to the public."

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Is the prosecution alluding to possible motive? will the prosecution suggest LL sabotaged babies to cause drama like in the TV show?

 

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12:24pm

Ms Hocknell confirms to the court that not all messages found on Letby's phone are in the evidence bundle; some messages are ones which the prosecution and defence are aware of, but do not deem that relevant for the case.

12:31pm

Kate Tyndall, intelligence analyst employed by Cheshire Police, is now giving evidence.

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Is the prosecution alluding to possible motive? will the prosecution suggest LL sabotaged babies to cause drama like in the TV show?

She was complaining to friends wasn't she, in later messages, that work was boring (just doing feeds) and unfulfiling. So maybe.

I don't know how all these deaths and resuscitations that even her colleagues were calling odd, were boring for her. But it does speak to her psyche a bit doesn't it. Everyone around her seems concerned (Doctors, colleagues) and she felt bored.

 

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12:40pm

Ms Tyndall is showing the jury a walkthrough of the 'neonatal unit review schedule' electronic documents, which are to be presented to the court.
The talking through of this set of evidence is for Child A. It is a seven-page document showing a timeline of data for all babies being treated in the neonatal unit around the time of Child A's collapse.
It is split into the date and time, the baby's name, what type of record is made, a summary of that activity, the member of staff administering that activity (if known), and a cross-reference to where further details of this activity can be found in the electronic evidence bundle.

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She was complaining to friends wasn't she, in later messages, that work was boring (just doing feeds) and unfulfiling. So maybe.

I don't know how all these deaths and resuscitations that even her colleagues were calling odd, were boring for her. But it does speak to her psyche a bit doesn't it. Everyone around her seems concerned (Doctors, colleagues) and she felt bored.

Those comments were made prior to any if this happening I think though so there wasn't anything for anyone to be concerned about at that point?

 

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This is the episode she watched on 9 June that she is referring to.

She later messaged to say she had been watching 'An Hour to Save Your Life', about a life working in a neonatal unit.

Letby's colleague responded: "...don't really watch things like that...get enough in work".

Letby responded: "I just find it interesting, to see how our work is portrayed to the public."

Surviving Birth​

An Hour To Save Your LifeSeries 2
Episode 2 of 3

This episode explores the life-or-death decisions facing doctors and midwives as they battle with neonatal emergencies. Based in a specialist maternity unit, it follows three babies, minute by minute, second by second, as frontline midwives and neonatologists fight to keep them alive through the critical first hour after birth.
Baby Alyssia is born ten weeks premature, baby Harley's heart rate drops dangerously low during labour, and baby Evelyn is diagnosed with a life-threatening condition in the womb.

 

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Those comments were made prior to any if this happening I think though so there wasn't anything for anyone to be concerned about at that point?

On June 30, following the deaths of Child A, C and D, and the non-fatal collapse of Child B, Letby's colleague messaged her there was something 'odd' about that night.

Letby replies: 'What do you mean? Odd that we lost three and in different cicrumstances?'

Letby's colleague responds: "I don't know, were they that different?"

The collague added: "Ignore me, I'm speculating."

Well, her colleague thought it was odd enough to discuss it. This was after 4 incidents. Then the consultants thought it was odd. So it was a gradual noticing by people as early as June 2015.

 

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Minute 12.50 onwards talks about the risk of air going into baby's bowel (they can suffocate) and how to manage it........

 

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On June 30, following the deaths of Child A, C and D, and the non-fatal collapse of Child B, Letby's colleague messaged her there was something 'odd' about that night.

Letby replies: 'What do you mean? Odd that we lost three and in different cicrumstances?'

Letby's colleague responds: "I don't know, were they that different?"

The collague added: "Ignore me, I'm speculating."

Well, her colleague thought it was odd enough to discuss it. This was after 4 incidents. Then the consultants thought it was odd. So it was a gradual noticing by people as early as June 2015.

Those aren't comments about being bored at work though.

 

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12:50pm

The timeline highlights events for Child A and recorded activity for Lucy Letby.

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The comments about being bored at work and unfulfilled were later (Can't remember which child) - at which point there were EVEN MORE deaths and near collapses. And the doctors had started noticing it then.

Point is there were consistent deaths and near collapses a lot during the period she felt bored and unfulfilled. Her colleagues were concerned about it, doctors were concerned because they were unusual and a lot. Why was she bored and unfulfilled when everyone around her was concerned the deaths/incidents were increasing?

Those aren't comments about being bored at work though.

 

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Minute 12.50 onwards talks about the risk of air going into baby's bowel (they can suffocate) and how to manage it........

That aired the day after baby A's death according to info on Rotten Tomatoes An Hour to Save Your Life: Season 2, Episode 2

 

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1:03pm

Ms Tyndall has finished giving her evidence.
The court is now adjourning for the lunch break, and will resume later today.

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She was complaining to friends wasn't she, in later messages, that work was boring (just doing feeds) and unfulfiling. So maybe.

I don't know how all these deaths and resuscitations that even her colleagues were calling odd, were boring for her. But it does speak to her psyche a bit doesn't it. Everyone around her seems concerned (Doctors, colleagues) and she felt bored.

Yes, it does seem to show a pattern, imo. Although the prosecution doesn't have to prove motive, I think it helps the jury understand the reasoning behind the crime. Most people generally want to know why and/or what led the accused to commit such an act, in order to make sense of it.

 

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The comments about being bored at work and unfulfilled were later (Can't remember which child) - at which point there were EVEN MORE deaths and near collapses. And the doctors had started noticing it then.

Point is there were consistent deaths and near collapses a lot during the period she felt bored and unfulfilled. Her colleagues were concerned about it, doctors were concerned because they were unusual and a lot. Why was she bored and unfulfilled when everyone around her was concerned the deaths/incidents were increasing?

I've found the reference in the prosecution opening speech regarding child J -


"...But on November 27, she suffered an unexplained collapse in the early hours. Letby was on duty.


12:28pm

Before she went to work for that shift, Lucy Letby exchanged text messages with one of her colleagues.

The prosecution say It seemed that she was not happy with working conditions and she referred to the difficulties of looking after the babies who just needed feeding support.

Child J was one of those.

The prosecution add that it appeared working in such nurseries was "not sufficiently stimulating for Lucy Letby"."

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That aired the day after baby A's death according to info on Rotten Tomatoes An Hour to Save Your Life: Season 2, Episode 2

Aired on 9th June sure. This video clip trailer of the show was posted on BBC website on 2 June.

BBC Two - An Hour To Save Your Life, Series 2, Surviving Birth, Neonatal surgery

Laura gives birth to a baby girl who has been diagnosed with CDH during the pregnancy.

www.bbc.co.uk

Any guesses what the trailer was about? Air in bowel.

For child B on 9th June.

After efforts to resuscitate Child B, Child B "recovered very quickly".

A doctor subsequently found "loops of gas filled bowel"

 

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1:20pm

A small clarification for the 11.50am entry - the messages between Letby and her colleague, written on June 30, initially talk about 'that night' as the night Child A collapsed. The conversation then moved on to the wider topic of Child A, Child C and Child D having collapsed and died in the same month (June).
Letby's messages from and to her colleagues will be revisited by the prosecution later in the trial.

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Also what is remarkable is when she texted her colleague about it, she didn't mention similarities with the show and baby A and B but "I just find it interesting, to see how our work is portrayed to the public."

 

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I think it is interesting that colleagues began to notice some odd patterns emerging or that's what it reads like to me anyway.