UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #5

[arrogantcat]

Just out of curiosity. Do you think we have been informed of the worst that the prosecution has to offer in way of incriminating personal evidence like the note and fb searches? I think we have. We all knew about dr Ravi and LL being by the cot before we knew anything else.

Interesting question!
I would agree that yes, generally, they mention their big impact evidence in the opening statement for maximum effect. It would be an odd choice to hold back on mentioning something more damning than, for example, the post-it note until mid trial.

That’s not to say a later piece of evidence might not carry unexpected weight, though, I suppose. What the legal team considers to be the most convincing thing might not be what most influences the jury or the general public. It’s never an exact science!

 

[Marantz4250b]

Thanks, that's what I thought. I read that Letby wasn't expected to take the stand. I thought it was unusual since many times that decision isn't decided until later or even at the last minute.

It's unusual in any event for a defendant to give evidence, as far as I understand it.

 

[Dotta]

As I think was mentioned at the start - I doubt she's in any fit state to hold up to the inevitable barrage she'll have to endure on the stand. Her defence KC alluded as much in his opening statement.

I see.
"Barrage", "Endure"

I see it differently.

As a chance to prove my innocence and fight for my good name.

And despite my state being "fit" or "unfit".

But I guess everybody acts differently.

Moo

 

[Music2022]

She was on the night shift.

The Crown says Letby caused his sudden collapse and death on the neonatal unit night-shift of June 13 by injecting a fatal amount of air into his stomach via a nasogastric tube (NGT).

Expert medical witness denies ‘reaching’ to support claims against Lucy Letby

AN expert medical witness has denied “reaching for things” to support allegations faced by nurse Lucy Letby.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

So there were two instances of air in the stomach. The second one was deadly on the 13th. LL was there for the second but where was she during the first? Do we have the hours? The post above suggested she wasn’t there. If she were there and the air in the stomach was intentional and not CPAP related she would’ve been charged for it as attempted murder no? confusing.

 

[notsure]

I see.
"Barrage", "Endure"

I see it differently.

As a chance to prove my innocence and fight for my good name.

And despite my state being "fit" or "unfit".

But I guess everybody acts differently.

Moo

So how would you defend yourself against those allegations?

Of course, we would all like to imagine we would put up a good defence, but if you're innocent in a case like this, what proof are you going to offer of your innocence?

 

[Marantz4250b]

I see.
"Barrage", "Endure"

I see it differently.

As a chance to prove my innocence and fight for my good name.

And despite my state being "fit" or "unfit".

But I guess everybody acts differently.

Moo

From what Mr Myers said in his opening, I'm guessing she's a mental wreck. Just look at the way she writes notes and that was years ago now!

Being afforded a chance to "prove your innocence" and to "fight for your good name" are noble phrases to employ from your living room. A tad more difficult to accomplish after four years of isolation, two of them in prison, I'd wager! If we were all that good then we wouldn't need people like Mr Myers and he wouldn't be making his assuredly not inconsiderable salary.

 

[Dotta]

So how would you defend yourself against those allegations?

Of course, we would all like to imagine we would put up a good defence, but if you're innocent in a case like this, what proof are you going to offer of your innocence?

The answer is simple.

Answer all questions truthfully.

No more, no less.

 

[kittythehare]

So there were two instances of air in the stomach. The second one was deadly on the 13th. LL was there for the second but where was she during the first? Do we have the hours? The post above suggested she wasn’t there. If she were there and the air in the stomach was intentional and not CPAP related she would’ve been charged for it as attempted murder no? confusing.

It is confusing.
Need full context for early report or was early report referring to night of 13th?

 

[Marantz4250b]

The answer is simple.

Answer all questions truthfully.

No more, no less.

How do we know that she hasn't already in the police interviews? If she has then look where that's got her!

 

[MsBetsy]

It's unusual in any event for a defendant to give evidence, as far as I understand it.

I sure wish someone had told Jodi Arias that. Her testimony lasted 18 days.

 

[Imnothere]

I don't understand.

Surely, she can answer questions and present her version of events, the note, FB searches, meetings with babies' parents, etc.

If not she herself - then who?

I would walk through fire to prove my innocence.

Taking the stand to explain things in front of Jury and the Judge is a privilege IMO.
To clarify any doubts.

Moo

I think she has backed herself into a corner with how she answered her questions to the police. For example she said that she had no recollection of searching for the parents on facebook, but they have evidence that she has consistently done this. She can't now get on the stand and say that she just searched them out of habit and to see how they were doing

 

[kittythehare]

Is it possible LL was on the night shift of the 11th ? Therefore in theory working the first 6 hours of the 12th ? But not being on the day shift with the witness?

She was on nightshift on 13th.

Expert medical witness denies ‘reaching’ to support claims against Lucy Letby

AN expert medical witness has denied “reaching for things” to support allegations faced by nurse Lucy Letby.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

It happened on the nightshift of 13th.

 

[Dotta]

How do we know that she hasn't already in the police interviews? If she has then look where that's got her!

But NOW she is in Court of LAW.

In front of objective Jury and the Judge.

If TRUTH cannot defend itself THERE, then where?

I believe in Justice.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I wonder why the phrase 'constant malevolent presence' was ever used in the first place? It's very loaded and unprofessional IMO.

Wouldn't one say that LL was repeatedly the common denominator or that LL was the only person who was constantly present or involved in every single case?

The word 'malevolent' sounds so bizarre and dramatic, as if LL was at work cursing and cackling like an old crone at a cauldron. For me, it's that word alone that signifies there may be some form of scapegoating, blame shifting, or witch hunt at play here.

Obviously we have many months to go and I'm neutral until we've heard everything, I also believe in truth and justice.

 

[JosieJo]

She was on nightshift on 13th.

Expert medical witness denies ‘reaching’ to support claims against Lucy Letby

AN expert medical witness has denied “reaching for things” to support allegations faced by nurse Lucy Letby.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

It happened on the nightshift of 13th.

But could she have also been on the night shift 11th ? Therefore in theory initially being suspected of an initial attack in the early hours of the 12th ?

 

[notsure]

But NOW she is in Court of LAW.

In front of objective Jury and the Judge.

If TRUTH cannot defend itself THERE, then where?

I believe in Justice.

What can she possibly say to counteract these allegations?

THE TRUTH, you say.

I don't think it would be as simple as you imagine.

 

[squish]

How do we know that she hasn't already in the police interviews? If she has then look where that's got her!

There are already provable lies in her recollections of the events surrounding the death of Baby E.

 

[notsure]

There are already provable lies in her recollections of the events surrounding the death of Baby E.

Would you call it a lie if someone misremembers something?

 

[kittythehare]

But could she have also been on the night shift 11th ? Therefore in theory initially being suspected of an initial attack in the early hours of the 12th ?

completely confused, Josie.
I do not have a single clue.
If baby C's notes weren't corrected until the 14th, was she working with incorrect notes, still not a reason to inject air anywhere but would usual checks be done? I mean checks appropriate to condition of 12th? I know handover is verbal ?
Or night of 11th?

 

[Marantz4250b]

I think she has backed herself into a corner with how she answered her questions to the police. For example she said that she had no recollection of searching for the parents on facebook, but they have evidence that she has consistently done this. She can't now get on the stand and say that she just searched them out of habit and to see how they were doing

I'm still not sure of the exact wording of the questions put to her as regards the FB searches; was she asked whether she remembered making them or was she asked why she made them? Similar questions but subtly different.

In any event, there are probably very reasonable answers she could give, as has been discussed here previously.