UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #5

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Ah, looks like it is child D from today. Was hoping to hear from the radiologist and pathologist for child C, that Dr Evans deferred to. Guess that maybe the defence did not want to question them?

Seems odd if they asserted death was by air in the NGS tube - surprised the defence do not want to challenge it?
 
  • #942
Yes, as I indicated I had - because that’s literally my point.
If the medical equipment is 100% guaranteed to prevent accidental administration then why the need for meticulous care and obsessive diligence to avoid introducing air? In a roundabout way they seem to be saying human error *can* be a factor, but is usually prevented by medical staff’s diligence.
Because some fluids such as antibiotics or flush are put directly into a vein via a syringe without equipment
 
  • #943
Ah, looks like it is child D from today. Was hoping to hear from the radiologist and pathologist for child C, that Dr Evans deferred to. Guess that maybe the defence did not want to question them?

Seems odd if they asserted death was by air in the NGS tube - surprised the defence do not want to challenge it?
I suppose it could be that the prosecution isn't calling them and the defence will use them as witnesses when their time comes. I don't know.
 
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9:40am

In the past week, members of the jury have been hearing evidence in relation to the fatal collapse of Child C at the neonatal unit in the Countess of Chester Hospital.
It is expected that today the case will turn to the fatal collapse of Child D in June 2015. The prosecution say that Lucy Letby, as in the case of Child A, B and C, administered a fatal air injection.
The defence deny this.

9:45am

During the prosecution opening statement, the jury has heard Child D, a baby girl, died following three collapses in the early hours of June 22, 2015.
As has been the case for the other children in the case so far, the court will hear evidence of the circumstances which happened in the days leading up to Child D's collapse.

10:10am

As ever, the case is being heard in Manchester Crown Court, in front of a jury of eight women and four men, and the trial is expected to last six months. This is the fourth week of the trial being heard before a jury.

 
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Have we not had the pathology reports for baby C ? Unless they are first thing ?
 
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I've been following this trial, by chance of an article on BBC a little while back. I am from UK but have lived in Canada for the past 13 years. My 17 year old child was 730g/1lb 10oz. 28 weeks gestation, Pre-eclampsia, IGUR. We both nearly died. This was in Surrey, England. She was in the NICU for 4 months, and I had older children at school. I spent a lot of time, sitting in the rooms with my tiny, fragile baby watching the nurses and advocating for my child. There are good nurses and lazy nurses. I understand the machines and alarms and I have pulled nurses AND doctors up on issues I wanted answers to. My child was suspected NEC for weeks and weeks, with on and off feedings. They DO NOT mess around with even suspected NEC.
So good nurses, that's what we want in all nurse vacancies but unfortunately, you also get career and wage oriented nurses (and doctors, teachers and ambulance drivers and so on), I saw all different kind of nurses, doctors, consultants and volunteers in the period my baby was in NICU. I saw negligence from trainee doctors and I saw raw compassion from auxiliary nurses.
The difference this case presents is the deaths. I was submerged in a level 3 NICU for four months. I watched many babies come and go, but the go was home. I overheard other parents, I overheard staff talk. If there was anything suspicious, it was picked up straight away.
I dont know if Lucy Letby did this or not, my intuition says yes, the facts says yes but we haven't heard it all yet.
Think critically my friends.
Brilliant post, thank you for sharing your experiences. You make an excellent point that different levels of care exist in all hospitals but thankfully this doesn't result in death on the whole. Where there is an elevated rate the two considerations are systemic failure or deliberate harm. I think if it was systemic failure there would be lots of staff coming out of the woodwork to back this up
 
  • #947
This is the first time a parent will be giving live evidence in the trial.
 
  • #948
10:15am

The trial is expected to resume at 10.30am.

 
  • #949
10:36am

Members of the jury are arriving in court now.

 
  • #950
10:37am

Child D's mother is now being called to give evidence.

10:38am

A reminder that the family members of any children involved in the case cannot be identified, due to reporting restrictions.

 
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10:43am

The prosecution, led by Nicholas Johnson KC, ask Child D's mother to confirm details.
Child D's mother tells the court she developed a concern about her waters breaking, which the court hears was "well founded" as her waters broke when she woke up on June 18.
The hospital told her to "monitor the situation". She waited, and rang the hospital again, and was then told to go to hospital.
At 11.30am, she arrived at hospital, and staff confirmed her waters had broken, but did not test.
They then checked her and her baby, "not for very long".

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10:45am

"Were you, in effect, sent home after being examined?"
"Yes."
The following day, the mother returned to the hospital, and saw a midwife.
"Were you examined and various checks performed on you?"
"Yes...not straight away. I had to wait."
"Did you express concern to staff at the Countess."
The mum said her waters had broken over 24 hours before, she didn't "feel right" and the baby "didn't seem to move as well" and she was concerned about infection as she hadn't been given any antibiotics.

10:46am

The decision was then taken to induce.
She said staff were "very busy", and she was not placed on an IV but not for "many hours".
It was "very delayed", the mother tells the court.

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right I'm off now
 
  • #954
10:46am

The decision was then taken to induce.
She said staff were "very busy", and she was not placed on an IV but not for "many hours".
It was "very delayed", the mother tells the court

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10:47am

The mother said she was "very worried and scared", "unwell" and "not in control" and "forgotten by the staff", as it was nearly 48 hours after her waters had broken.
On a trip to the bathroom, she noted blood had come out. She asked someone to do something.

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10:49am

She said she remembered seeing a doctor, and recalled a description for her.
It was the first time she had seen a doctor since her admission.
She was told that essentially both her and her baby girl were ok, and that a natural birth would be considered, and that would be reviewed 4 hours later at 11am.

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10:53am

At 11am, the mother was assessed again, by a different doctor. She recalls a description for the male doctor.
She was told there had been "little progress" and she said he was the "first professional who spoke to me and addressed my concerns".
The mother said it had been about 50 hours since the waters had broken and a C-section was considered, as there had been no dilation.
The mother was informed a natural birth would be the preferred option to a C-section.
By 3pm, the mother had discussed the situation with her husband and concluded she would be 'less patient' and call for a C-section if there had been no progress.
 
  • #958
10:55am

At 3pm, the mother was reviewed by the same male doctor, and he was "more concerned" about the situation, as she appeared more tense.
The doctor then confirmed she would receive a C-section as he said it was "not a good idea to wait any longer" as the baby appeared 'distressed'.
Events then moved on "a lot more quickly" after staff had initially appeared "chilled".
After the C-section decision was made, matters "moved a lot more quickly".

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10:57am

Child D was delivered and lifted over the screen for the mother to see.
The mother recalls seeing "no life - lifeless - she did not scream, everything was quiet in the room."
Mr Johnson asks if there was a nurse in the theatre room at this stage. The mother does not recall.
The mother was taken to a ward, while medical professionals dealt with Child D.

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10:59am

The mother recalls seeing Child D very briefly, in the operating theatre, before they [the staff] took her away as they had "concerns".
The mother said she was "very aware" of things going on, despite having received anaesthetic.
She did not have physical contact with Child D, but her husband did.
The mother was taken to a ward.

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