UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #9

[LadyEdgeworth]

Dan O'Donoghue
@MrDanDonoghue
·
Jan 11

We've been told the trial will now resume on Monday, January 16

Thanks for this! I was refreshing Chester standard this morning to check for any news but it looks like they're not there today.

 

[katydid23]

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
·
3m

Court not sitting again today in the trial of nurse Lucy Letby (due to juror absence)

 

[Dotta]

Re Jury

I have a question, possibly off topic - bear with me please, as I know only bench trials in my country (with 1 or 2 jurors as "social element" - usually retired folks)

So,
If the trial is scheduled for, let's say, 6 months - are the jurors on leave from their jobs for this length of time?

If the trial is stopped (as is happening now) do other jurors stay at home or go to their work?
Im really curious.

Thanks

 

[Tortoise]

It had been hoped the trial could resume today (Monday, January 16), but a further juror illness has meant that has not been possible, as all jurors are required to be present for every day the trial hears evidence.

It is not yet known when the trial will be able to resume, having last heard evidence over a month ago on December 15.

Further delay to resumption of Lucy Letby trial

 

[katydid23]

How do they plan to go for 4 or more months without having a juror with an illness? This is going to be dicey.

 

[katydid23]

Re Jury

I have a question, possibly off topic - bear with me please, as I know only bench trials in my country (with 1 or 2 jurors as "social element" - usually retired folks)

So,
If the trial is scheduled for, let's say, 6 months - are the jurors on leave from their jobs for this length of time?

If the trial is stopped (as is happening now) do other jurors stay at home or go to their work?
Im really curious.

Thanks

I am not sure how the UK does that, but in the US, on the days the trial is not scheduled, a juror can go back to work, if it is a flexible job. I guess it kind of depends upon what kind of job it is.

Some are easier to come and go from.

In this case, the jurors were given a long holiday from sitting in court. So I don't know how the jurors bosses would handle that situation. Maybe if it was a busy 'holiday' type of business, they'd want their employees to return to work during those weeks?

 

[Sundial]

Just picking up on this again, remembers the blood in one statement but cannot recall it in another. Something that harrowing which she initially recalled, she then cannot remember when asked again seems quite bizarre IMO:

Nurse Letby recalled doing chest compressions during the resuscitation attempts on baby E, and recalled more blood coming from his mouth which "wasn’t nice to see"

Then;

LL said she could not remember the mum coming into the room at 9pm with milk, nor Child E being upset, with blood coming from the mouth.

 

[mart321]

Would be good to know the context of this statement

"recalled more blood coming from his mouth"

Did she say the word "more" because that seems like a bit of a slip from her if so, as she has said the first incident with the blood didn't happen.

 

[Tortoise]

There were multiple notes of baby E bleeding that night, it's the first bleed at 9pm that she denies happened.

Doctors were called to bleeding at

10pm
11pm
1.15am (during resuscitation)

He died at 1.40am.

 

[Littlegreenlady]

Re Jury

I have a question, possibly off topic - bear with me please, as I know only bench trials in my country (with 1 or 2 jurors as "social element" - usually retired folks)

So,
If the trial is scheduled for, let's say, 6 months - are the jurors on leave from their jobs for this length of time?

If the trial is stopped (as is happening now) do other jurors stay at home or go to their work?
Im really curious.

Thanks

I am not sure how the UK does that, but in the US, on the days the trial is not scheduled, a juror can go back to work, if it is a flexible job. I guess it kind of depends upon what kind of job it is.

Some are easier to come and go from.

In this case, the jurors were given a long holiday from sitting in court. So I don't know how the jurors bosses would handle that situation. Maybe if it was a busy 'holiday' type of business, they'd want their employees to return to work during those weeks?

in the UK the jurors are expected to attend for as long as the court case is for. So if it is for 6 months then yes they would take a leave from work.
Generally though they know if it will be a long case and the jurors are asked if there is a reason they couldn't sit for that long.

A friend was on jury service for 2 weeks (the norm in the UK) and she was told on some days she wasn't needed and so she came into work. But I don't know if that's also the case for long term trials


See here for a story about a long trial that affected jurors.
'We spent almost two years sitting on a jury'

 

[Dotta]

in the UK the jurors are expected to attend for as long as the court case is for. So if it is for 6 months then yes they would take a leave from work.
Generally though they know if it will be a long case and the jurors are asked if there is a reason they couldn't sit for that long.

A friend was on jury service for 2 weeks (the norm in the UK) and she was told on some days she wasn't needed and so she came into work. But I don't know if that's also the case for long term trials


See here for a story about a long trial that affected jurors.
'We spent almost two years sitting on a jury'

"I thought it was going to last forever," Paul says.
"It just kept on going."

How true!

Thanks for the article
Very interesting!

 

[Tortoise]

Court not sitting again today in the trial of nurse Lucy Letby — we’re told it might resume ‘later this week’

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

 

[Dotta]

Court not sitting again today in the trial of nurse Lucy Letby — we’re told it might resume ‘later this week’

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

During the flu season I guess we will see this notice quite often.
Too bad...

JMO

 

[Tortoise]

9:06am

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is expected to resume today (Wednesday, January 18), more than a month since the last day of evidence was heard in court.
We will be bringing you updates throughout the day.

9:09am

The last day evidence was heard in the trial was December 15, 2022. Since then, there has been a break for Christmas and New Year, which was expected. However, juror absences in the past week meant the resumption of the trial had been delayed.
All 12 members of the jury are required to be present in court for the trial to continue. It is understood that the jury, collectively, is now in a position to attend.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, January 18

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Tortoise]

Ladies and Gentlemen, WE ARE BACK AT LAST!

I think we should give them a clap and a cheer for making it! I'm raising my mug of tea to their very good health.

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

Ladies and Gentlemen, WE ARE BACK AT LAST!

I think we should give them a clap and a cheer for making it! I'm raising my mug of tea to their very good health.

Finally! Please everyone load up on vitamins, wash hands etc do not get sick again!!

 

[Dotta]

Ladies and Gentlemen, WE ARE BACK AT LAST!

I think we should give them a clap and a cheer for making it! I'm raising my mug of tea to their very good health.

TEA???

 

[Tortoise]

TEA???

What are you thinking, should be some bubbly? Glass of pop maybe, considering it's still morning.

 

[Dotta]

What are you thinking, should be some bubbly? Bottle of pop maybe, considering it's still morning.

Well
To make a wish stronger, one needs stronger, umm, beverage haha

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

What are you thinking, should be some bubbly? Glass of pop maybe, considering it's still morning.

bucks fizz... it's mostly orange juice right?