UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

[sds71]

Ms Giuffre insisted to Panorama the photo was "authentic" and said she gave the original to the FBI in 2011.

She told the programme: "I think the world is getting sick of these ridiculous excuses. It's a real photo. I've given it to the FBI for their investigation and it's an authentic photo. There's a date on the back of it from when it was printed."

Panorama reported that a redacted court document showed Ms Giuffre handed 20 photos to the FBI in 2011 and they were scanned front and back.

But only 19 photos were shown in the public version with two reference numbers - 03956 9431 and 03956 9432 - missing, the programme reported, adding it had been told the numbers related to the Andrew photo and that it was removed from the public document to protect his privacy.

'No way' Andrew image is fake, photographer who copied image says

 

[UK Girl]

Ms Giuffre insisted to Panorama the photo was "authentic" and said she gave the original to the FBI in 2011.

She told the programme: "I think the world is getting sick of these ridiculous excuses. It's a real photo. I've given it to the FBI for their investigation and it's an authentic photo. There's a date on the back of it from when it was printed."

Panorama reported that a redacted court document showed Ms Giuffre handed 20 photos to the FBI in 2011 and they were scanned front and back.

But only 19 photos were shown in the public version with two reference numbers - 03956 9431 and 03956 9432 - missing, the programme reported, adding it had been told the numbers related to the Andrew photo and that it was removed from the public document to protect his privacy.

'No way' Andrew image is fake, photographer who copied image says

what or who were the other 19 photos of?

 

[Dotta]

What can Prince Andrew's ex-equerry reveal about the Duke's time with Jeffrey Epstein? | Daily Mail Online

 

[badgersmythe]

Prince Andrew to seek 'high-risk' testimony from Epstein victim


Prince Andrew to seek testimony from Epstein victim that will paint his accuser as a recruiter | Daily Mail Online

 

[Legally Bland]

It has nothing to do with the clothing it has to do with the pose. One of them is photoshopped, the question is which one.

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but one of them looks obviously photoshopped. I'm saying this one, unless VRG had a jacket made out of a watercolor paint and applied a charcoal makeup to the edges of her fingers.

Link for pic:
Redirect Notice

 

[sds71]

The extraordinary overtures to Ms Brown from the Duke's team began with an email from Ms Marshall saying; 'Hi Molly, I work for the Duchess of York and I wondered if you had time at some point for a quick chat re your tweet about the photo of the Duke being edited/doctored. Thank you so much for your online support!'
The pair exchanged WhatsApp messages and emails before having a lengthy conversation, in which Ms Brown relayed her claims about the photo.

Her doubts do not have the support of experts. Hany Farid, professor of digital forensics and image analysis at University of California, Berkeley, has said: 'I don't see any obvious signs of manipulation.'

Even Ms Brown, who maintains the image was 'Photoshopped', believes the advisers' attempts to court her were 'desperate'.


Prince Andrew labeled "a pig" over Epstein by a woman his staff asked for help

Prince Andrew asked online troll to help discredit his sex accuser | Daily Mail Online

 

[Dotta]

The extraordinary overtures to Ms Brown from the Duke's team began with an email from Ms Marshall saying; 'Hi Molly, I work for the Duchess of York and I wondered if you had time at some point for a quick chat re your tweet about the photo of the Duke being edited/doctored. Thank you so much for your online support!'
The pair exchanged WhatsApp messages and emails before having a lengthy conversation, in which Ms Brown relayed her claims about the photo.

Her doubts do not have the support of experts. Hany Farid, professor of digital forensics and image analysis at University of California, Berkeley, has said: 'I don't see any obvious signs of manipulation.'

Even Ms Brown, who maintains the image was 'Photoshopped', believes the advisers' attempts to court her were 'desperate'.


Prince Andrew labeled "a pig" over Epstein by a woman his staff asked for help

Prince Andrew asked online troll to help discredit his sex accuser | Daily Mail Online

It is all so embarrassing.
I mean, how can a person stoop so low?

 

[JDG]

At this point I think both sides will be getting desperate about the veracity of all evidence.

Dotta, I don’t think reaching out for opinions (on either side) can be considered as ‘stooping so low’.

Everyone is entitled to defend themselves and offer up ‘proof’.

 

[Dotta]

At this point I think both sides will be getting desperate about the veracity of all evidence.

Dotta, I don’t think reaching out for opinions (on either side) can be considered as ‘stooping so low’.

Everyone is entitled to defend themselves and offer up ‘proof’.

By "stooping so low" I mean the whole disgusting case.

How can a person of nobility, a father of 2 daughters, let himself be tangled up in this mess?

Where is his honour?
His pride?

He made a laughing stock not only of himself but his family as well.

Sorry if I seem harsh, but I always say what I think.

 

[BUF]

Duke of York to give evidence under oath as part of civil sex assault case

Andrew will face a deposition on 10 March in London, in what has been described as a neutral location.
……
Andrew’s deposition will be conducted by Giuffre’s lawyers, David Boies and Sigrid McCawley, and is expected to last two days, according to the Telegraph.

 

[Dotta]

Another court battle on the horizon...

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...-court-claims-estate-bought-launder-cash.html

 

[Me157]

The illusion of unlimited authority tends to bring out the worst in us. No one is above it. The more power the greater the demons. Andrew could be innocent but I seriously doubt it.

 

[Dotta]

The illusion of unlimited authority tends to bring out the worst in us. No one is above it. The more power the greater the demons. Andrew could be innocent but I seriously doubt it.

That is why we say in my country:
"Always look at their hands."
Always.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Duke of York to give evidence under oath as part of civil sex assault case

Andrew will face a deposition on 10 March in London, in what has been described as a neutral location.
……
Andrew’s deposition will be conducted by Giuffre’s lawyers, David Boies and Sigrid McCawley, and is expected to last two days, according to the Telegraph.

Given what little I saw of his recent, I’ll-fated interview, I’d say he is Ill equipped to navigate effectively through a deposition. But I guess the good news is that he doesn’t sweat, so at least he’ll look fresh. : /

Being devoted to our gracious majesty, I am truly saddened by these serious allegations.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Dotta]

the good news is that he doesn’t sweat, so at least he’ll look fresh. : /

As fresh as a daisy haha

But Im not sure if his lawyers will be

 

[Ellmau]

Ms Giuffre insisted to Panorama the photo was "authentic" and said she gave the original to the FBI in 2011.

She told the programme: "I think the world is getting sick of these ridiculous excuses. It's a real photo. I've given it to the FBI for their investigation and it's an authentic photo. There's a date on the back of it from when it was printed."

Panorama reported that a redacted court document showed Ms Giuffre handed 20 photos to the FBI in 2011 and they were scanned front and back.

But only 19 photos were shown in the public version with two reference numbers - 03956 9431 and 03956 9432 - missing, the programme reported, adding it had been told the numbers related to the Andrew photo and that it was removed from the public document to protect his privacy.

'No way' Andrew image is fake, photographer who copied image says

Sounds as if these are prints though. To "prove authenticity" surely they need the negative or digital original.

 

[Dotta]

Sounds as if these are prints though. To "prove authenticity" surely they need the negative or digital original.

Not really...

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170629-the-hidden-signs-that-can-reveal-if-a-photo-is-fake

 

[sds71]

Wouldn’t Maxwell’s attorneys have said the photo was fake when they questioned VG about the photo during the defamation case?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Wouldn’t Maxwell’s attorneys have said the photo was fake when they questioned VG about the photo during the defamation case?

Here is what VG was questioned about re: the photo, by GM’s attorney. The file is searchable online.

Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1090-32 Filed 07/30/20
EXHIBIT D
GIUFFRE
VS.
MAXWELL
Deposition
VIRGINIA GIUFFRE
05/03/2016

Page 208

Q Where is the original of the photograph that has been widely circulated in the press of you with Prince Andrew?

A I probably still have it. It's not in my possession right now.

Q Where is it?

A Probably in some storage boxes.

Q Where?

A In Sydney.

Q Where in Sydney?

A At some family's house. We got the boxes shipped to Australia, and they were picked up off the porch by my nephews and brought to their house.

Q Which is where?

A In Sydney.

Q Where in Sydney?

A (redacted)

Q And who lives in that house?

A Well, it's owned by my mother-in-law and father-in-law, but my nephews live in the house.

Q What are their names?

A I'm not giving you the names of my nephews.

Q What's the address of the house?

A Why would you want that?

Q I want to know where the photograph is.
I'm asking you where the photograph is. And you've just told me it's somewhere in (redacted).

A Yes.

Q So where in is the photograph located?

A If I can't 100 percent say that the photograph is there, it could be at my house that I presently live in. I'm not going to give you the address of my nephews' residence.

Q When is the last time you saw the photograph in person?

A When I packed and left America.

Q Colorado?

A Yes.

Q All right. So you had that photograph with you in Colorado?

A Yes.

Q What's on the back of the photograph?

A I'm sorry?

Q Is there anything on the back of the photograph?

A There's like the date it was printed, but no writing or anything.

Q Okay. Does it say where it was printed?

A I don't believe so. I think it just -- I
don't remember. I just remember there's a date on it.

Q Whose camera was it taken with?

A My little yellow Kodak camera.

Q Who took the picture?

A Jeffrey Epstein.

Q And where did you have it developed?

A I believe when I got back to America.

Q So where?

A I don't know.

Q Palm Beach?

A I don't know.

Q What is the date the photograph was printed?

A I believe it's in March 2001.

Q Okay.

A But that's just off of my photographic memory. I don't -- it could be different, but I think it's March 2001.

Q You have a photographic memory?

A I'm not saying I have a photographic memory. But if I'd look at the back of the photo and I remember what it says, I believe it was March 2001.

Q Did the photograph ever leave your possession for a while?

A I gave it to the FBI.

Q Okay. And when did you get it back?

A When they took copies of it.

Q When was that?

A 2011.

Q When they came to interview you?

A Yes.

Q So from 2011 until you left Colorado it was in your personal possession?

A Yes.

 

[Dotta]

Here is what VG was questioned about re: the photo, by GM’s attorney. The file is searchable online.

Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1090-32 Filed 07/30/20
EXHIBIT D
GIUFFRE
VS.
MAXWELL
Deposition
VIRGINIA GIUFFRE
05/03/2016

Page 208

Q Where is the original of the photograph that has been widely circulated in the press of you with Prince Andrew?

A I probably still have it. It's not in my possession right now.

Q Where is it?

A Probably in some storage boxes.

Q Where?

A In Sydney.

Q Where in Sydney?

A At some family's house. We got the boxes shipped to Australia, and they were picked up off the porch by my nephews and brought to their house.

Q Which is where?

A In Sydney.

Q Where in Sydney?

A (redacted)

Q And who lives in that house?

A Well, it's owned by my mother-in-law and father-in-law, but my nephews live in the house.

Q What are their names?

A I'm not giving you the names of my nephews.

Q What's the address of the house?

A Why would you want that?

Q I want to know where the photograph is.
I'm asking you where the photograph is. And you've just told me it's somewhere in (redacted).

A Yes.

Q So where in is the photograph located?

A If I can't 100 percent say that the photograph is there, it could be at my house that I presently live in. I'm not going to give you the address of my nephews' residence.

Q When is the last time you saw the photograph in person?

A When I packed and left America.

Q Colorado?

A Yes.

Q All right. So you had that photograph with you in Colorado?

A Yes.

Q What's on the back of the photograph?

A I'm sorry?

Q Is there anything on the back of the photograph?

A There's like the date it was printed, but no writing or anything.

Q Okay. Does it say where it was printed?

A I don't believe so. I think it just -- I
don't remember. I just remember there's a date on it.

Q Whose camera was it taken with?

A My little yellow Kodak camera.

Q Who took the picture?

A Jeffrey Epstein.

Q And where did you have it developed?

A I believe when I got back to America.

Q So where?

A I don't know.

Q Palm Beach?

A I don't know.

Q What is the date the photograph was printed?

A I believe it's in March 2001.

Q Okay.

A But that's just off of my photographic memory. I don't -- it could be different, but I think it's March 2001.

Q You have a photographic memory?

A I'm not saying I have a photographic memory. But if I'd look at the back of the photo and I remember what it says, I believe it was March 2001.

Q Did the photograph ever leave your possession for a while?

A I gave it to the FBI.

Q Okay. And when did you get it back?

A When they took copies of it.

Q When was that?

A 2011.

Q When they came to interview you?

A Yes.

Q So from 2011 until you left Colorado it was in your personal possession?

A Yes.

How interesting!
So FBI gave the pic back to her, I didn't know it.