UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

[JDG]

but we don't know what other proof their was of any crimes he may have committed as he has chosen to pay to make it go away, we don't know the evidence as he has paid to make it go away, only VG gave depositions under oath, he hasn't as he has paid to make it go away.

IMO you don't pay to settle a case if you had a defence, you pay because you are guilty and you don't want all the details of your crimes being aired in public in a court of law, and again IMO their isn't enough money in the world that would be enough to take away the pain and suffering VG and all the victims of men like Epstein and Prince Andrew have caused, so I hope she got millions for herself and for charity

If someone accuses you of a crime, they have to be able to prove it.

This was a civil case (not criminal in England) but she needed to have proof that PA caused her injury/damage and was unable to do so apparently, so she agreed to settle.

Most civil cases end with settlements due to the expense, not necessarily due to guilt but to end it.

I believe the onus was on VG to have proof and she did not have a case once she could not produce the picture.

 

[UK Girl]

but we don't know what other proof their was of any crimes he may have committed as he has chosen to pay to make it go away, we don't know the evidence as he has paid to make it go away, only VG gave depositions under oath, he hasn't as he has paid to make it go away.

IMO you don't pay to settle a case if you had a defence, you pay because you are guilty and you don't want all the details of your crimes being aired in public in a court of law, and again IMO their isn't enough money in the world that would be enough to take away the pain and suffering VG and all the victims of men like Epstein and Prince Andrew have caused, so I hope she got millions for herself and for charity

to be honest it could be part of his family ordering him to do it to go away

 

[UK Girl]

Meh. You’re right it’ll never be forgotten but he’s just not as important or as good tabloid fodder as Harry.


Well, good. It always irritated me that B&E are princesses when Anne & Edward declined titles for their children. Should be direct line of ascent only.

We will go more like the Scandinavian royal families I think, keep much of the pomp and splendour to a minimum. Please no talk of becoming a republic though, can you imagine Boris being our main figurehead, instead of the Queen? Shudder.

Lol i agree...i would hate to be a republic

 

[tayaway]

So that's it, then, it's done and settled? What am I going to do with all this leftover popcorn?

 

[joe jones]

And, most importantly, when VG could not produce the ‘supposed proof’, the photograph. It was only proof, maybe, that they had met, nothing more but she ‘lost it’?? How convenient, eh?

IF PA donates to VGs charity, she can keep 95% of the monies in most jurisdictions.

As stated by others, on multiple occasions, if PA did have sex with a 17 yr old, it is not a crime in England if he was not aware she was bein* trafficked.

but we don't know what other proof their was of any crimes he may have committed as he has chosen to pay to make it go away, we don't know the evidence as he has paid to make it go away, only VG gave depositions under oath, he hasn't as he has paid to make it go away.

IMO you don't pay to settle a case if you had a defence, you pay because you are guilty and you don't want all the details of your crimes being aired in public in a court of law, and again IMO their isn't enough money in the world that would be enough to take away the pain and suffering VG and all the victims of men like Epstein and Prince Andrew have caused, so I hope she got millions for herself and for charity

If someone accuses you of a crime, they have to be able to prove it.

This was a civil case (not criminal in England) but she needed to have proof that PA caused her injury/damage and was unable to do so apparently, so she agreed to settle.

Most civil cases end with settlements due to the expense, not necessarily due to guilt but to end it.

I believe the onus was on VG to have proof and she did not have a case once she could not produce the picture.

I disagree, if she had such a weak case then IMO he would not have settled, the onus was not on her but on him to disprove her allegations, by settling he IMO admits her allegations have merit as she is being financially recompensed for what he did to her,

I expected him to settle as he could never have allowed all the evidence to come out in open court, and he IMO by settling is the loser, VG has won both financially and morally, as most people will now know that what she said must have been the truth

 

[UK Girl]

but we don't know what other proof their was of any crimes he may have committed as he has chosen to pay to make it go away, we don't know the evidence as he has paid to make it go away, only VG gave depositions under oath, he hasn't as he has paid to make it go away.

IMO you don't pay to settle a case if you had a defence, you pay because you are guilty and you don't want all the details of your crimes being aired in public in a court of law, and again IMO their isn't enough money in the world that would be enough to take away the pain and suffering VG and all the victims of men like Epstein and Prince Andrew have caused, so I hope she got millions for herself and for charity


I disagree, if she had such a weak case then IMO he would not have settled, the onus was not on her but on him to disprove her allegations, by settling he IMO admits her allegations have merit as she is being financially recompensed for what he did to her,

I expected him to settle as he could never have allowed all the evidence to come out in open court, and he IMO by settling is the loser, VG has won both financially and morally, as most people will now know that what she said must have been the truth

Perhaps..people have said for months that he should just settle...I get why he has but I wish he hadnt so we COULD see the truth rather than all take our own interpretations from it. I dont think either have come across great for settling personally

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It was only ever he said vs she said. No incontrovertible proof either way. She should’ve done a Monica. The “winners” are the lawyers, as always, and hopefully Virginia’s charity.

It’ll be interesting to see whether there’ll be any more civil cases brought, either by or against Virginia.

 

[UK Girl]

Prince Andrew reaches 'settlement in principle' with Virginia Giuffre | Daily Mail Online

 

[StarryStarryNight]

In my opinion, I don’t think it matters at all whether she had the original picture or not. Everyone has seen it and no one has questioned it as far as I know.
Also, I don’t think for a minute VG settled because she had no real evidence. If I remember correctly someone was prepared to testify she had seen PA and VG at that club despite PA claiming to be home having a cozy little family evening. I have no doubt there are others. Royals don’t travel alone. Plenty of people knew he was into this stuff. Again, she didn’t settle, PA settled, because he’s guilty. His behavior was despicable and frankly criminal, and he’s lucky he’s not going to jail. I wish he was.
I have no problem at all with VG receiving money, that’s how civil suits usually work. I hope she got a lot and enjoys her life. I’m also very glad the prince is donating to her charity. I hope it’s a lot of money too, and that it helps a lot of people.
And finally, I’m happy this was not one of those settlements where somebody pays a bunch of money and in return never has to admit guilt. His statements expressing regret that she was harmed and his association with Epstein pretty much says he recognizes his guilt.

 

[badgersmythe]

Royal experts say Duke of York's reputation 'can't be rebuilt'


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[UK Girl]

In my opinion, I don’t think it matters at all whether she had the original picture or not. Everyone has seen it and no one has questioned it as far as I know.
Also, I don’t think for a minute VG settled because she had no real evidence. If I remember correctly someone was prepared to testify she had seen PA and VG at that club despite PA claiming to be home having a cozy little family evening. I have no doubt there are others. Royals don’t travel alone. Plenty of people knew he was into this stuff. Again, she didn’t settle, PA settled, because he’s guilty. His behavior was despicable and frankly criminal, and he’s lucky he’s not going to jail. I wish he was.
I have no problem at all with VG receiving money, that’s how civil suits usually work. I hope she got a lot and enjoys her life. I’m also very glad the prince is donating to her charity. I hope it’s a lot of money too, and that it helps a lot of people.
And finally, I’m happy this was not one of those settlements where somebody pays a bunch of money and in return never has to admit guilt. His statements expressing regret that she was harmed and his association with Epstein pretty much says he recognizes his guilt.

I actually dont see it as him admitting to guilt but...the girl who said she saw him at the club actually changed her original story but I dont think there was any doubt at all they met...for me its a stuff up....I would have liked to have heard the evidence personally. I have questions on both sides.

 

[JDG]

but we don't know what other proof their was of any crimes he may have committed as he has chosen to pay to make it go away, we don't know the evidence as he has paid to make it go away, only VG gave depositions under oath, he hasn't as he has paid to make it go away.

IMO you don't pay to settle a case if you had a defence, you pay because you are guilty and you don't want all the details of your crimes being aired in public in a court of law, and again IMO their isn't enough money in the world that would be enough to take away the pain and suffering VG and all the victims of men like Epstein and Prince Andrew have caused, so I hope she got millions for herself and for charity


I disagree, if she had such a weak case then IMO he would not have settled, the onus was not on her but on him to disprove her allegations, by settling he IMO admits her allegations have merit as she is being financially recompensed for what he did to her,

I expected him to settle as he could never have allowed all the evidence to come out in open court, and he IMO by settling is the loser, VG has won both financially and morally, as most people will now know that what she said must have been the truth

VG chose to accept the settlement. No one forced her to accept.

In law, thankfully, you need proof.

The settlement does not mean PA is guilty nor does it mean he is innocent.

It simply means the case is over, VG did settle.

 

[joe jones]

am seeing some figures on twitter as to what the settlement was, some are as high as 7 million, I doubt we will ever know,
their is lots of stuff in the ether that people have which would have come out, only days ago the photos of him showing Clinton, Epstein and Maxwell around Buckingham Palace were in the media, he said he had no recollection of this event, so I expect their are many other photographs of things he wouldn't want revealed, logs of who went into his homes, his personal police protection officers may have been called to testify,

 

[mickey2942]

Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre agree to settle sex abuse lawsuit - CNN

I should quote myself, the handwriting was on the wall for this. PA never wanted to do a statement under oath. That is what drove this.

 

[Cool Cats]

Prince Andrew settles sexual abuse lawsuit with Virginia Giuffre

What they're saying:

"Prince Andrew intends to make a substantial donation to Ms. Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights," a court filing announcing the settlement read.

• "Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms. Giuffre’s character, and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks," it continued.
  
  
• The filing acknowledged that Epstein trafficked young girls and that Prince Andrew regrets his relationship with Epstein, but it admitted no wrongdoing on Andrew's part.
  
  
• David Boies, a lawyer representing Giuffre, said in another filing Tuesday that each legal party expects to file a motion to dismiss the case within 30 days.

 

[Dotta]

Who is Virginia Roberts Giuffre and what allegations has she made against Prince Andrew, Epstein and his 'friends'?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre agree to settle sex abuse lawsuit - CNN

I should quote myself, the handwriting was on the wall for this. PA never wanted to do a statement under oath. That is what drove this.

Do we know who pulled the plug on the civil case? I was under the impression it was her.

 

[tedtink]

I’m not convinced it’s all going to charity, unless I missed something (quite possible with my tired head today).

It said he “intends” to make a donation. If it was a legal obligation, it wouldn’t be an intention. If that makes any sense at all. My guess is she got hers and he’s making an additional charity payment.

Would love to be proved wrong if anyone can jump in.

The statement is ambiguous.
It says about the settlement and his intention to make a substantial donation, but it doesn't say 'also' make a donation. (as well as the settlement)

I think it's been left like that on purpose so VG won't be accused of 'just wanting money' and 'A' will be seen as a good ole chap who wants to support trafficking victims, or so that people presume it's all gone to Charity.
Call me cynical but that's how it's being spun IMO


ETA Just read this in the DM.......

"The settlement will never be made public in court filings but the payment to Mrs Giuffre's charity may, she added"........

But still unashamedly cynical

 

[UK Girl]

am seeing some figures on twitter as to what the settlement was, some are as high as 7 million, I doubt we will ever know,
their is lots of stuff in the ether that people have which would have come out, only days ago the photos of him showing Clinton, Epstein and Maxwell around Buckingham Palace were in the media, he said he had no recollection of this event, so I expect their are many other photographs of things he wouldn't want revealed, logs of who went into his homes, his personal police protection officers may have been called to testify,

that would have worked ways to be fair...I also wonder if VG wanted her husband etc to be deposed and her ex bf...and there was also the problem of Carolynn....the settlement stops problems all around

 

[Forest_Wood]

And finally, I’m happy this was not one of those settlements where somebody pays a bunch of money and in return never has to admit guilt. His statements expressing regret that she was harmed and his association with Epstein pretty much says he recognizes his guilt.

Virginia’s lawyer Mr Boies has said she would unlikely accept a “purely financial settlement” to end her sexual assault civil lawsuit against the royal. Andrew’s statement of regret for the harm caused her is as close to an apology as she will get I guess.