GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #12

[Tortoise]

for a smoker, SH doesn't seem to be very clued up about smoking. you cannot get a cigarette to last longer than 10 minutes max. and if you draw on it a lot it takes more like 6-7 mins. If you don't puff on it frequently it burns away by itself. When you smoke outside the air movement/wind makes it burn away even faster than that.

So she can't be a slow smoker it is not possible.

Feeding a rabbit does not take 10 minutes either, even with a 2 year old. You put the food in, you don't spoon feed it!

 

[Clio]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 48s49 seconds ago
"I wouldn't be able to guess how many people it would take to subdue Becky" SH tells the court #beckywatts

Tom Parmenter Verified account  ‏@TomSkyNews · 51s52 seconds ago
QC asks if Nathan Matthews could really have subdued and then killed Becky Watts upstairs on his own
SH "I didn't know her that well"

 

[Tortoise]

[h=3]Matthews 'looked casual and normal' after Becky killing[/h]Hoare told the jury she was “just socialising” when she went to Becky’s family home on the day of the alleged murder.
Hoare was the registered carer for Becky’s step-mum Anjie Galsworthy’s who suffers from MS.
When Hoare and Matthews arrived at the house, Anjie was out at a hospital appointment.
Hoare told the jury she did not do any chores at the house that day. She said boyfriend Matthews did the washing up.
The jury heard it was raining when the couple arrived at the house that day.
Hoare said she immediately went outside in the rain “for about 15 minutes”.
She said: “I don’t think I heard much, I may have heard the feint sound of music - that was it.”
Prosecutor Mr Mousley asked: “Did you hear any voices, any calling out?”
Hoare: “I don’t think so, no.”
Mr Mousley: “When you came back inside after 15 or 20 minutes what happened?”
Hoare: “I heard footsteps down the stairs and then the door slamming.”
She then went into the living room and saw Matthews sitting on the sofa.
Hoare said: “He looked very casual and normal.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6750182

 

[mrazda71]

Marking my spot!

 

[Clio]

Tom Parmenter Verified account  ‏@TomSkyNews · 1m1 minute ago
That night after Becky Watts was killed Shauna Hoare says of Nathan Matthews: "He seemed in a slightly better mood than usual"

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 1m1 minute ago
She said NM was in a "slightly better mood than usual" after they went home on Feb 19 #beckywatts

 

[Clio]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 23s23 seconds ago
Court has broken for lunch, it will resume at 2pm. #beckywatts

 

[Tortoise]

[h=3]'Nathan could have struggled to subdue Becky on his own'[/h]Hoare was asked if she believed Matthews’ claim that he had a long-standing problem with pain.
She said: “I did but I believe sometimes he would make it out to be worse if he didn’t want to do something.”
Mr Mousley said: “Would he have struggled to subdue Becky on his own?”
Hoare: “He could have - but not necessarily.”
Mr Mousley: “Would it have taken more than one person to subdue her?”
Hoare: “I wouldn’t be able to guess how many people it would take to subdue her.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6750182

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Tom Parmenter Verified account  ‏@TomSkyNews · 1m1 minute ago
That night after Becky Watts was killed Shauna Hoare says of Nathan Matthews: "He seemed in a slightly better mood than usual"

NM will never be able to claim he's remorseful and it was an accident. SH keeps repeating how happy he was right after he killed Becky, it was his permanent state from then on until he was caught.

 

[skibaboo]

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On the Saturday, Lisa Donovan (Shaunas Mum) challenged Shauna on why they were visiting so often – saying it had something to do with Becky


Shauna says “We both had a giggle because it was ridiculous”


Even if it was said in gest, Shauna's mum had suspicions.. yet what happened was a complete shock to Shauna? She had NO idea, really?

 

[Alyce]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 48s49 seconds ago
"I wouldn't be able to guess how many people it would take to subdue Becky" SH tells the court #beckywatts

Tom Parmenter Verified account  ‏@TomSkyNews · 51s52 seconds ago
QC asks if Nathan Matthews could really have subdued and then killed Becky Watts upstairs on his own
SH "I didn't know her that well"

The person she has talked about, extensively, about her moods, her actions towards her stepmother, her being frightened by NM jumping out at her...the person she accepted clothing from and the person who's hair she dyed.
Nope, hardly knows her at all, does she !

 

[skibaboo]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 48s49 seconds ago
"I wouldn't be able to guess how many people it would take to subdue Becky" SH tells the court #beckywatts

Tom Parmenter Verified account  ‏@TomSkyNews · 51s52 seconds ago
QC asks if Nathan Matthews could really have subdued and then killed Becky Watts upstairs on his own
SH "I didn't know her that well"

Avoiding answering the question, did they push her I wonder? The QC is asking if NATHAN could really have done it on his own, how well Shauna knew Becky doesn't come into it. She knew her well enough to know her size and height etc, besides she knew Becky could have tantrums, (implying she's feisty) she's said it often enough.

 

[Alyce]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 48s49 seconds ago
"I wouldn't be able to guess how many people it would take to subdue Becky" SH tells the court #beckywatts

Tom Parmenter Verified account  ‏@TomSkyNews · 51s52 seconds ago
QC asks if Nathan Matthews could really have subdued and then killed Becky Watts upstairs on his own
SH "I didn't know her that well"

what a strange answer. Surely Pros is asking her what she thinks NM is capable of and SH responds by saying she didnt know Becky very well ??

 

[ColourPurple]

I spy a slip up:

She says NM was in a better mood than the normal the night Becky died...

Yet she claimed before that she showed him the "Do you want to hide a body" video the night Becky died to cheer him up because he was in a mood.

ETA , my mistake, the youtube video was the following night after the saw had been purchased

 

[ColourPurple]

When SH said seeing Becky's family being worried about her made her want to see her own mother, I thought she was going to say that it had made her realise how worried her own mother must feel, not having seen her for four years..."OOh empathy" I was thinking... but instead she made it about herself and said it made her realise nobody would be worried or notice if she went missing. Ah well

 

[ColourPurple]

SH is coming across cleverer than I gave her credit for.

 

[Tortoise]

1. going out to car to get kidnap kit and bag - 1 minute
2. going upstairs quietly and carefully - 1 minute
3. arranging bag in spare room and getting mask on and sellotape ready in his hands - 2 minutes
4. knocking on door and taping Becky's mouth - 2 minutes
5. turning Becky round and making her kneel - 1 minute
6. putting handcuffs on - 1 minute
7. carrying Becky over to landing / spare room / suitcase - 1 minute
8. trying to get Becky in the case while she was resisting - 2 minutes
9. mask slipping - putting more tape on her eyes - 2 minutes
10. using the stun gun - 1 minute
11. putting more tape between eyes and mouth - 2 minutes
12. punching her in the mouth to knock her out - 0.5 minutes
13. holding her mouth and noticing she's still managing to breathe - 1 minute
14. using his neck technique to make her faint - 1 minute
15. checking Becky's pulse - 1 minute
16. putting her in the case, adding his handcuffs and tape etc and zipping it up - 1 minute
17. taking her down to the boot, getting the boot open and putting her in, coming back up - 2 minutes
18. filling up black bag with phone, tablet, laptop, coat, shoes, makeup, duvet cover from spare room - 4 minutes
19. taking it down to the boot - 1 minute
20. coming in and waiting to slam door - 1 minute

total = 28.5 minutes.

the above does not include time for Becky to incur 40 bruises - the struggle and fight

ETA - not allowing for breathing space, decisions, and composing himself, putting his hat straight etc.

 

[Tortoise]

I spy a slip up:

She says NM was in a better mood than the normal the night Becky died...

Yet she claimed before that she showed him the "Do you want to hide a body" video the night Becky died to cheer him up because he was in a mood.

that was my immediate thought but then I wasn't sure if that was the following night (Friday)?

 

[YidArmyRach]

1. going out to car to get kidnap kit and bag - 1 minute
2. going upstairs quietly and carefully - 1 minute
3. arranging bag in spare room and getting mask on and sellotape ready in his hands - 2 minutes
4. knocking on door and taping Becky's mouth - 2 minutes
5. turning Becky round and making her kneel - 1 minute
6. putting handcuffs on - 1 minute
7. carrying Becky over to landing / spare room / suitcase - 1 minute
8. trying to get Becky in the case while she was resisting - 2 minutes
9. mask slipping - putting more tape on her eyes - 2 minutes
10. using the stun gun - 1 minute
11. putting more tape between eyes and mouth - 2 minutes
12. punching her in the mouth to knock her out - 0.5 minutes
13. holding her mouth and noticing she's still managing to breathe - 1 minute
14. using his neck technique to make her faint - 1 minute
15. checking Becky's pulse - 1 minute
16. putting her in the case, adding his handcuffs and tape etc and zipping it up - 1 minute
17. taking her down to the boot, getting the boot open and putting her in, coming back up - 2 minutes
18. filling up black bag with phone, tablet, laptop, coat, shoes, makeup, duvet cover from spare room - 4 minutes
19. taking it down to the boot - 1 minute
20. coming in and waiting to slam door - 1 minute

total = 28.5 minutes.
the above does not include time for Becky to incur 40 bruises - the struggle and fight

Neither does it include the additional time it would presumably take someone with Fibro to do those things - particularly the latter ones, after he has tired himself out with the fight and carrying of heavy weight.

 

[Clio]

that was my immediate thought but then I wasn't sure if that was the following night (Friday)?

You are right, "Do you want to hide a body" was 9.00pm Friday 20th

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...nager-8217-s/story-27953184-detail/story.html

 

[Tortoise]

Neither does it include the additional time it would presumably take someone with Fibro to do those things - particularly the latter ones, after he has tired himself out with the fight and carrying of heavy weight.

yep, sorry SH, you came back inside 10 minutes before NM had finished.