GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #12

[CoverMeCagney]

nothing about the call to 'children in care' then. unless it hasn't been reported. I can't stand mysteries.

Neither can I. Why are we even here?! :websleuther:

 

[Clio]

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I suppose it's possible that he borrowed SH makeup to hide something, idk

Might that account for the small traces of SH's DNA being on the mask? If he used her make up, could that account for DNA transference?

 

[MamaJoJo]

(SH of course, denies this)

This IMO is what blows her story right out of the water. She was there, she was seen to be there, she was arguing with NM, she was not sleeping. If KD supports this, it shows she was lying about going straight to sleep and not hearing items being removed from the loft outside her bedroom.

It's not too important what she was arguing about, it just proves that she was up and aware what was going on, but she could have been arguing because she didn't want anyone else involved, and he brings home 2 guys to move the evidence, whereas she wanted them to do it themselves.

She could also have been arguing because he promised them £10,000 and half of that was her money (if the story about them having £10,000 in savings accounts was true).

Please do not take this as me defending SH but...they could have been arguing because she wanted to go to bed and he and his idiot friends were preventing that from happening. Why she would lie about that, though, is another question. Does she think that is a better play? She is blanketly denying being awake. Who else could it have been if not SH?

 

[Clio]

I believe it was just the cover - we had discussion on here initially that we had thought it had come from Beckys bed as the duvet appeared to be without a cover on the police photos

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He said that he took a duvet from the spare room. I thought he'd done that to wrap the body in. That made sense to me because I'm not buying the whole "I took a suitcase to kidnap a live teenager" nonsense.

 

[jessie]

The Mirror reports :


Mr Mousley: &#8220;Are you just very unlucky?&#8221;
Hoare: &#8220;Yes.&#8221;
The trial has been adjourned until tomorrow.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-recap-6750182


I hope the QC or judge just had to be somewhere else today so finished early. If not I feel on what we have heard today SH will be acquitted.

 

[mrazda71]

Please do not take this as me defending SH but...they could have been arguing because she wanted to go to bed and he and his idiot friends were preventing that from happening. Why she would lie about that, though, is another question. Does she think that is a better play? She is blanketly denying being awake. Who else could it have been if not SH?

So far as I'm aware, we have only heard the 'man and woman arguing' story from a friend of James Ireland as yet, not from James himself - until we hear it from James himself or Karl testifies that it was Shauna and Nathan arguing then I'm not convinced - I think it could've been Jaydene and a man arguing at her house. If I recall correctly, the friend of Jamie said something along the lines of arguing with an "attractive woman" - would a guy say that about a pregnant woman he didn't know?

 

[Clio]

The trial has been adjourned until tomorrow.
I hope the QC or judge just had to be somewhere else today so finished early. If not I feel on what we have heard today SH will be acquitted.

Trial adjourned just means nothing else happening today. Cross of SH is finished according to this

Concluding his cross-examination of Hoare, William Mousley QC quizzed her on the messages.....

Read more: http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-28099837-detail/story.html#ixzz3qMy7NVee

 

[mrazda71]

Neither can I. Why are we even here?! :websleuther:

Because... tv lately is rubbish and we're avoiding tacking that ironing pile and sorting out 'the drawer of random things' ?

 

[ChuckieD]

The Mirror reports :


Mr Mousley: “Are you just very unlucky?”
Hoare: “Yes.”
The trial has been adjourned until tomorrow.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-recap-6750182


I hope the QC or judge just had to be somewhere else today so finished early. If not I feel on what we have heard today SH will be acquitted.

Truth is stranger than fiction. I'm guessing any one of us on here would fimd ourselves in a sticky situation of 'bad luck' if we were innocently wound up in a murder investigation tomorrow. My Google history would be a QCs gold mine!

I'm on the fence about SH at the moment. There IS reasonable doubt as far as I can see.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Someone upthread was speculating that maybe SH really hasn't been directly involved in it. I found myself considering that scenario, and thinking it seems possible. I forget who wrote it, so can't quote it, but its along the lines of - they didn't really plan on killing BW, but NM ended up killing her. SH knows, and she is pissed. She tells NH, this is all on you, I'm out. And leaves NM to do all the dirty work. And she then proceeds to just "ignore" everything else that goes on for the next few days.

I don't really believe this is what happened, but if it did, it would be a much better match to some of the evidence and SH's comments in interviews and when she is on the stand.

 

[MamaJoJo]

So far as I'm aware, we have only heard the 'man and woman arguing' story from a friend of James Ireland as yet, not from James himself - until we hear it from James himself or Karl testifies that it was Shauna and Nathan arguing then I'm not convinced - I think it could've been Jaydene and a man arguing at her house. If I recall correctly, the friend of Jamie said something along the lines of arguing with an "attractive woman" - would a guy say that about a pregnant woman he didn't know?

Yes, I know that SH wasn't named specifically but no one has placed Jaydene at the scene yet so I question who else could it be if not SH? This bit of information needs to be supported by testimony in court. It's too circumstantial, IMO.

 

[TupeloMz]

Truth is stranger than fiction. I'm guessing any one of us on here would fimd ourselves in a sticky situation of 'bad luck' if we were innocently wound up in a murder investigation tomorrow. My Google history would be a QCs gold mine!

I'm on the fence about SH at the moment. There IS reasonable doubt as far as I can see.

I totally agree, but would any one of us lie when the truth would work better? I wouldn't.
I would have told my lawyer to get me on that stand and ask me questions where I can clarify exactly what happened and how I could stand to lose my children and my freedom over something I had no part of and be as up front and honest as I could. Jmo.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Because... tv lately is rubbish and we're avoiding tacking that ironing pile and sorting out 'the drawer of random things' ?

Oh my god, are you actually SPYING on me?!

 

[Tortoise]

So far as I'm aware, we have only heard the 'man and woman arguing' story from a friend of James Ireland as yet, not from James himself - until we hear it from James himself or Karl testifies that it was Shauna and Nathan arguing then I'm not convinced - I think it could've been Jaydene and a man arguing at her house. If I recall correctly, the friend of Jamie said something along the lines of arguing with an "attractive woman" - would a guy say that about a pregnant woman he didn't know?

would JI say 'the woman' if KD was his workmate? surely he'd have known of JP being KD's girlfriend? and why would they have been standing outside JP's bedroom? the cases went straight into the shed AFAIK.

 

[mrazda71]

Oh my god, are you actually SPYING on me?!

Not spying no, but my psychic ability tells me that those old batteries that you're not sure are dead or new ones fallen out of the packet can go in the bin and those 50p off coupons are out of date

 

[MamaJoJo]

would JI say 'the woman' if KD was his workmate? surely he'd have known of JP being KD's girlfriend? and why would they have been standing outside JP's bedroom? the cases went straight into the shed AFAIK.

Oh, wait, wasn't this "man and woman arguing" story seen at SH and NM's home? I'm so confused!

ETA - I now see that you were responding to mrazda's assertion that it COULD have been at JP's house. Never mind.

 

[Tortoise]

Trial adjourned just means nothing else happening today. Cross of SH is finished according to this

Concluding his cross-examination of Hoare, William Mousley QC quizzed her on the messages.....

Read more: http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-28099837-detail/story.html#ixzz3qMy7NVee

I think usually when a cross examination of a defendant ends there is some sort of break or adjournment for the team to discuss if they have missed anything. Then when they come back they confirm if they have any further questions.

 

[mrazda71]

A reminder of the testimony from 2 witnesses who recount conversations they had with James Ireland - Knight who mentions the "good looking woman" says Ireland told him they picked up bags from Barton Hill and took them to Southmead"

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-Wa...hbour-moving/story-28026467-detail/story.html

 

[Gigi-G]

Well its week 5. If they're hoping to conclude witness testimonies and evidence in the 6 weeks alloted. Then I do hope the Prosecution take the questioning up a notch. As all that's seemed to of been done is to go over NM & SH'S statements.
Need something good to throw out some undeniable proof of intent or evidence that ties SH to the charges. As I'm positive she knows more than she's letting on. Same with NM... They are both playing a game. And it is ****ING me off becuz I hate loose endings and endings that make no sense. GAHHHH!!&#128544;!

 

[Clio]

A reminder of the testimony from 2 witnesses who recount conversations they had with James Ireland - Knight who mentions the "good looking woman" says Ireland told him they picked up bags from Barton Hill and took them to Southmead"

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-Wa...hbour-moving/story-28026467-detail/story.html

From same article

Under cross-examination, Mr Knight conceded that Ireland could have mentioned picking someone up in Southmead and then going to Barton

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...tory-28026467-detail/story.html#ixzz3qN8giZ2y

However I agree, it's very unclear. Do we know if NM smokes?

ETA Wasn't there something about DD having been told he had to move out of KD/JP's house?