GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #12

[Warwicks]

I do so wish we had some insight into AG and DG statements. I would like to think we could then know that they didn't 'chuck" Becky out, it was by mutual agreement, that yes there were arguments and tantrums and storming about, but there was also love, care, support - going both ways. I hate that we are only privy to NM and SH's insight into the relationship between BW and the adults she lived with.
Also, I now see from the timeline (thank you) that AG texted BW at 10pm the night before her death and BW didn't reply.
Does anyone feel that this might have been mentioned when NM and AG spoke on the Thurs morning:
"Will Becky be there to let us in?"
"Not sure, i'll leave a key in the recycling, I did text her last night but no reply..."
Could this have been the catalyst that led to NW going upstairs - to demand that BW explain why she didn't reply to the text thus causing his mother (in his view) more stress and worry. And it all just spiralled from there sadly.
I've always doubted the kidnap story, although I don't doubt that NM's interest in BW had some element of a sexual interest. I just don't know if it was involved that morning.
As for SH I think she became involved quite early on, possibly following him upstairs, but I don't think the kidnap story or its development was relevant that morning.
All MOO obviously.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

How much info/evidence do you reckon we're NOT hearing from the courtroom? We're basing all our discussions on the tweets we can see and relying on a small handful of people to keep us up to date, but there are also bits that can't be reported for whatever reason. We don't get to see every movement and every look, we can't hear intonation or emotion, we have no idea, really, of how any of the defendants are coming across in real life. We have to put our faith in the jury as they know much more than we do, BUT... I soooo wish it was on TV!

 

[mrazda71]

Yes to both mrazda.

But when you consider, as you have said yourself, we are all analysing every detail, nuance to the nth degree, correcting each other etc don't you think we are all of us, trying to look at every angle too - that might mean we all conclude something different to what we first thought/based on hunches/instinct.

when everyone on here starts to becoming completely inflexible in the face of all suggestions - that's when it all ends up barking up the wrong tree - to me, that doesn't seem to be happening. ( A desire to win an argument or be "right" never helps get to the bottom of these puzzles IMO)

Yes to both? Can't help but feel from your bottom paragraph that you mistook what I was trying so say, I'm not wanting to win an argument, be right and I'm not at all inflexible.

Not sure I posed the bottom paragraph well ... I was asking a specific question, not pondering or asking anyone's option on this case.

Can anyone here think of a case where it looked to be very clear from evidence or their behaviour that the accused was guilty but they turned out to be proven innocent?

 

[mrazda71]

Yes I've considered and posted about that before, but any emotional reaction seems to be when she thinks about herself and her children, even in court we've heard of her showing no emotion while Becky's injuries etc were read out yet crying when her threesome friend gave evidence, then there's that smile when asked "Why Becky", can't shake the feeling that she could have been involved.

Ooh I must've missed the Why Becky smile, do you have a link? Thanks

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Yes to both? Can't help but feel from your bottom paragraph that you mistook what I was trying so say, I'm not wanting to win an argument, be right and I'm not at all inflexible.

Not sure I posed the bottom paragraph well ... I was asking a specific question, not pondering or asking anyone's option on this case.

Can anyone here think of a case where it looked to be very clear from evidence or their behaviour that the accused was guilty but they turned out to be proven innocent?

I don't know why but OJ Simpson just came to mind lol!

 

[mrazda71]

If SH is innocent, I would have expected her interview to be more like this

OMG, he hid her in our house? where? I've been with him all the time, he couldn't have done that, I'd have noticed it. OMG, he was in the bathroom for 3 days first with the saw going and then after that I don't know what he was doing in there for so long, and he kept the door locked too. He said it was to fix the toilet pipes, I must be so stupid to have thought it would take 3 days to fix the toilet. That explains why he's avoided his mum and Darren, and all the family searches. And he made out the car was broken and he had to leave it at my mum's all week, but I knew it wasn't, I couldn't work out why he started behaving like that, now it's beginning to make sense. And he's never deep cleaned the bathroom like that before, he is usually quite lazy when it comes to cleaning, and he didn't want the police going in - he told me it was because of xyz...

what does SH say? I'm a deep sleeper so he could have done all of this while I was asleep (to promote her innocence - I saw nothing strange happening during waking hours). We used a bucket when I was desperate for the loo (to promote her innocence - I Shauna did not go in the bathroom). He did phone some friends to pick us up because he'd had a drink one night but I fell asleep and left him outside chatting. (to promote her innocence - I Shauna did not see or hear the removals from my loft going on outside my door).

She doesn't help the police at all. It is all about her. They ask her - why should we believe you? - because of my history it would be highly unlikely. what a strange thing to say. IMO. She was sexually assaulted I believe I read, on her way to school? - was she alluding to this being a sexually motivated attack gone wrong?

I don't know the full story on what happened to her on the way to school (is the full story public knowledge?) But it could be that she was kidnapped/taken and sexually assaulted? Maybe she DID say all those things all the OMG's ... We've seen around 10 minutes of video interview from, I imagine hours and hours and hours of questioning ...

 

[Tortoise]

Very valuable insights Retribution, thank you. IMO posters can either choose to believe what you write, or they may choose not to. Please don't let that deter you.

 

[edgedweller]

I hate this case. I'm a person who needs closure and we're not going to get it here.

Me too! I always want to know WHY and HOW and we rarely get to find out. Especially in this case.


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[Tealgrove]

I have to go back to my earlier post in Thread 11 wherein I asked the question "If SH was as controlled by NM as she claims, then how are we to believe that she had nothing to do with any of what went on?" To me, he would be dictating what she was to do, her role in it, how she was to help etc. etc.

Based on Retribution's comments above indicating that NM was VERY controlling of SH then I think my question is valid and a question that the jury must ask itself.

IMO

 

[Cherwell]

Obviously (groan...)

I've become conscious this week of how often I use that word myself :iamashamed: :gaah:

 

[Gigi-G]

How does it work in the UK- will the transcripts of the actual trial ever be released?

Not sure. Nothing is on the Internet yet. No forensic reports etc. Even tho they've been put to the Court already. And yet they've released photos of the houses involved. And items in use e.g suitcases etc.
I do hope so.
But may have to wait until Judgement has been delivered.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I have to go back to my earlier post in Thread 11 wherein I asked the question "If SH was as controlled by NM as she claims, then how are we to believe that she had nothing to do with any of what went on?" To me, he would be dictating what she was to do, her role in it, how she was to help etc. etc.

Based on Retribution's comments above indicating that NM was VERY controlling of SH then I think my question is valid and a question that the jury must ask itself.

IMO

He could easily have threatened to do the same to her and their child, that might have been enough to make her comply. Thing is, if that's the case, she needs to admit it and tell all she knows - he can't get her now.

Roll on tomorrow, hope Mousley asks the right questions and hope the reporters tweet as much as they can....

 

[epiphany]

Both are manipulative. Both lack empathy (<<huge, imo) and Both are known compulsive liars...Hmm

 

[skibaboo]

Retribution! Good to see you, I'm glad you are on the mend, and wish you well in your recovery. We've been thinking about you!

 

[Gigi-G]

Can I just say.... I have come to hate the word.... Obviously..... obviously.

Marking my spot for next Court sitting. &#128522;

 

[epiphany]

Click (Check) the Remember Me? box beneath UN & PW when you sign in: that will keep you logged in for the session. Will not be bounced off while writing a lengthy post.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Top tip - next time you log in tick the "remember me " box ( or whatever it says, been weeks since I last had to log in).

 

[Cherwell]

Another tip ... if I think there may be a problem posting and I want to post at length, I type out the post on a Word document (or something similar), then copy and paste it. If it gets lost, I can easily copy again from the Word doc.

 

[Tortoise]

Wow. That makes me find his story so hard to believe. Especially as the physical effort it involved spread out over a few days.

that is one of the major sticking points for me. and Becky would have known his weaknesses too.

 

[epiphany]

that is one of the major sticking points for me. and Becky would have known his weaknesses too.

Major for me, as well. He cannot have done it alone in Becky's home imo. I believe SH was not only aware of, but participated in the plan prior to their entering the home that morn