Ooooh now that's a thought...
How would we ever know...
Would they include anything we discussed into their MO?
OKAY.... I'm getting the shivers about now lol. 😨
GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #15
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Ooooh now that's a thought...
How would we ever know...
Would they include anything we discussed into their MO?
OKAY.... I'm getting the shivers about now lol. 😨
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Gosh, I think I remember reading that a female suspect posted here before being arrested. I can't remember what case it was, I hadn't followed it. Maybe one of our longtime members will remember.
I'm studying thru Open Uni. This will be my 3rd year. I agree with you on here being most interesting. It's okay swatting from a book. And constructing written work around a given scenario. All to be in x amount of words lol.
I find here the brain opens up and you finally engage into other areas. And a live case. There's nothing better. ☺
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Makes you think. I mean, anyone can read this, you don't have to be a member to view most threads here, and we often come up in google searches. There's a very good chance someone in Becky's family has come across it.
I have been on loads of threads where family and friends have come on board, it always offers a new insight and an extra bonus if they get verified. It changes the way we sleuth though I think, we have to be a little tamer in what we say sometimes. But yes: family, friends, judge, jury, police all might have had a little look/lurk.
Hmmm, I wonder if any missing people have looked themselves up here too. Think I better go to bed, tiredness is rambling my thoughts. Night all!
Wow.... I only tripped over WS when Becky went missing. Being as it wasn't far from home and very emotive. I found the WS thread. I think in its infancy. Only around 6 or 7 pages in there on the original thread. I read for the most part. But felt maybe I could answer some of my own questions by subscribing. So I did. ...
Be interesting if Retribution was to come back on also. Now the case is at a conclusion. I really feel her input would be valuable.
Yes it certainly does make you think. But we are a polite bunch. It's not like some other sites where it's free reign to abuse fellow posters and/or victims family members or even the Perps family members. Just because some one has comitted a crime. Doesn't automatically mean the whole family are likely to partake. And be party to said criminal activity.
G'night, sleep well!
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I don't think she's NOT Guilty of kidnap or Murder BUT I'm just not sure the Jury feel there is enough evidence for a 'sound' conviction. On the otherhand, I see NO DOUBT that she's Guilty on the Perverting the course of Justice and hope IF it comes to that the Judge will give her the longest sentence possible!
I'm hoping that the Jurors have a huge discussion as we have had here on WS.
Because we have been over and over this subject as it's the one that's most daunting. As NM keeps reiterating that SH is totally innocent of everything. She knew nothing. Heard nothing. Saw nothing.
Thing is. Will the Jury see as we see.. that there are flaws in NM'S statement's. How he states he can't peg washing out. Yet he can man handle a fit, fighting young woman. Of his height. Grasping at her survival.
Fighting for her life, her last breath.
Cuz BW didn't go down n give up without a fight.
I beg to differ that he (NM) Subdued her (BW) trying to handcuff her, Sellotaping her face as she clawed at him, trying to escape his grip. Kicking out trying to wriggle from his grasp.....
Even listing this possible scenario of 'how it may of happened' NM said his Fibro could be debilitating. If that's the case. Then No way did he subdue her alone.
SH. is as guilty as NM.
And I think he's taking the rap. So she (SH) gets a lenient sentence. Maybe non custodial. So she can move away from the area. And bring up their child/ren.
ALL MY OWN OPINION. ... of course. :alien:
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re the jury
I think their job will be made simpler by following their own noses. If they smell BS in SH's claimed lack of knowledge and involvement after the death, they will have their blueprint in the recorded police interviews for how she tells lie after lie after lie without getting flustered and maintaining her composure. Her performance in court, if she has come over well (can't tell) while denying being part of any plan or involvement in Becky's death, will be seen with very different eyes.
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Yes me, I'm not convinced that Shauna is guilty of conspiracy to Kidnap or murder. I know I'm not the only one too, though it's sometimes difficult to speak up and go against the crowd.
I dont think we've heard 100% truth from Nathan's story though I feel that may be because so much is not being made public (as yet, if ever) , in part to protect the family and or Becky's reputation.
But I don't believe Nathan and Shauna planned to kidnap Becky and hold her as a sex slave etc then kill her and I don't believe there is any vampire element or such story ...
I'm quite open to being proved wrong though and if the Jury decided that it was pre planned kidnapping and murder with a sexual motive then I shan't be surprised as I trust that they know what they're doing.
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Yes me, I'm not convinced that Shauna is guilty of conspiracy to Kidnap or murder. I know I'm not the only one too, though it's sometimes difficult to speak up and go against the crowd.
I dont think we've heard 100% truth from Nathan's story though I feel that may be because so much is not being made public (as yet, if ever) , in part to protect the family and or Becky's reputation.
But I don't believe Nathan and Shauna planned to kidnap Becky and hold her as a sex slave etc then kill her and I don't believe there is any vampire element or such story ...
I'm quite open to being proved wrong though and if the Jury decided that it was pre planned kidnapping and murder with a sexual motive then I shan't be surprised as I trust that they know what they're doing.
I believe she was involved. I don't believe NM's story. Neither do I believe that SH knew or saw nothing. I don't believe any vampire element.
I believe they both disliked Becky intensely. I believe they caused trouble for Becky with her family (SH talking about the will being changed to leave them the house, her police interviews complaining that Becky never got punished ect - she was far too involved in Becky's business).
I don't believe SH was as controlled or scared of NM as she claims (She doesn't leave him alone on her FB account, and the nature of her posts go against everything she says about their relationship and her defence).
I believe they went to Becky's house that day with something in mind, as they didn't need to be there, and they certainly didn't need to stay there after dropping off an very unimportant item. I'm unsure of motive. I think something happened which wasn't planned - certainly not planned to end in her death.
I don't believe the kidnap plan that NM has told. I don't believe he could have done what he claims if his fibro is as bad as he claims (and his defence team have done nothing to claim he is fitter, stronger and healthier than he claims).
I don't believe SH thought he was buying things to clear up the house - when they were buying reams of cling film, bin bags, rubble bags, bleach and rubber gloves. I imagine they must have bought rather large quantities of salt too, which surely would have seemed odd if SH wasn't involved. Particularly as it was said it would be impossible to cook in their kitchen.
I don't believe that she thought he was fixing a toilet by using an electric saw for hours/days at a time, and I don't believe that she didn't need the toilet very much; not even first thing in the morning whilst pregnant.
I think her arranging to see her estranged mother at the exact time the police wanted to search is a sign of her being complicit. No matter how much she might have wanted to reconnect with her mum, I don't believe an innocent person would put that above the importance of the police carrying out checks for a missing girl.
I think there must be more evidence available to the jury that we haven't been privvy too, as I don't believe the prosecution case/evidence can really be as tame as it came across.
All of the above stop me believing she is innocent - however, I don't know if, legally, that is the same as proving she is guilty!
Evidence for SH being involved in the plan to kidnap -
1. NM says there was a plan. He does not say anywhere (either immediately at his confession or in court having had 7 months to think about it) how he planned to do this without SH knowing. If he had a plan (and he says repeatedly it didn't go to plan and he had been planning it for 2 months) it would have involved a way of doing it so SH would not know. He would have gone there alone that morning.
2. She has no reasonable explanation for not being in the house when he tried to carry off his plan. In fact her explanation is absurd, not just unreasonable. She would have been back in from the rain after 10 minutes and he would still have been unraveling sellotape at that stage.
3. She more likely than not knew about the purchase of the stun guns, and why they were stopping to buy batteries and why there was no reason for NM to park his car on the drive if they were just returning a cake tin. Her belief he was going to wash the car was another absurdity - it was raining.
4. It is more likely than not, that a couple going together on a morning when the circumstances are exactly right for 'the plan', are acting together and not with single purposes. His excuse that he saw an opportunity while SH had a cigarette are absurd again. He would not think she would be outside for the time he needed.
5. The explanations to AG about Becky going out are too staged and developed flaws, regarding the door slam and the stomping and where they both were at the time. Meaning SH was in on this story about Becky leaving too soon, if she was shocked or horrified by what had happened.
6. The texts. A big red flag. She lied first about the fact she sent them and lied again later when she had to admit them, about their context. She instigated these situations, she was not trying to placate NM by doing something she felt uncomfortable doing and it involved knocking someone out and kidnap, not only procuring a third sexual partner.
7. She has revealed a very clear interest in Becky's sexual development and has pointed it out when it hasn't been required. What does it have to do with Becky leaving the house voluntarily and being missing?
8. She has also revealed a dislike for Becky in her police interviews, and has given the court a motive of her own, for being involved with NM in this plan.
9. She has a sexual history with NM involving another female.
10. She is lying (in most people's opinions) regarding the post-death cover up. So cannot be relied on to be telling the truth about the kidnap plan.
11. The attack on Becky most likely involved two people, because it was not quick from start to finish, and NM tires easily and quickly.
All this is in the evidence, it is not something the jury will have to pluck out of their gut feelings.
1. NM says there was a plan. He does not say anywhere (either immediately at his confession or in court having had 7 months to think about it) how he planned to do this without SH knowing. If he had a plan (and he says repeatedly it didn't go to plan and he had been planning it for 2 months) it would have involved a way of doing it so SH would not know. He would have gone there alone that morning.
2. She has no reasonable explanation for not being in the house when he tried to carry off his plan. In fact her explanation is absurd, not just unreasonable. She would have been back in from the rain after 10 minutes and he would still have been unraveling sellotape at that stage.
3. She more likely than not knew about the purchase of the stun guns, and why they were stopping to buy batteries and why there was no reason for NM to park his car on the drive if they were just returning a cake tin. Her belief he was going to wash the car was another absurdity - it was raining.
4. It is more likely than not, that a couple going together on a morning when the circumstances are exactly right for 'the plan', are acting together and not with single purposes. His excuse that he saw an opportunity while SH had a cigarette are absurd again. He would not think she would be outside for the time he needed.
5. The explanations to AG about Becky going out are too staged and developed flaws, regarding the door slam and the stomping and where they both were at the time. Meaning SH was in on this story about Becky leaving too soon, if she was shocked or horrified by what had happened.
6. The texts. A big red flag. She lied first about the fact she sent them and lied again later when she had to admit them, about their context. She instigated these situations, she was not trying to placate NM by doing something she felt uncomfortable doing and it involved knocking someone out and kidnap, not only procuring a third sexual partner.
7. She has revealed a very clear interest in Becky's sexual development and has pointed it out when it hasn't been required. What does it have to do with Becky leaving the house voluntarily and being missing?
8. She has also revealed a dislike for Becky in her police interviews, and has given the court a motive of her own, for being involved with NM in this plan.
9. She has a sexual history with NM involving another female.
10. She is lying (in most people's opinions) regarding the post-death cover up. So cannot be relied on to be telling the truth about the kidnap plan.
11. The attack on Becky most likely involved two people, because it was not quick from start to finish, and NM tires easily and quickly.
All this is in the evidence, it is not something the jury will have to pluck out of their gut feelings.
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I agree that there was jealousy towards Becky especially from Nathan but jealousy and envy don't necessarily go hand in hand with hate ...
If Shauna believed that Becky had run away and way causing Anji and Darren upset with 'another one of her tantrums' then I can believe that Shauna's first interview is the way it is because she's annoyed at Becky for that.
If Shauna believed that Becky had run away and way causing Anji and Darren upset with 'another one of her tantrums' then I can believe that Shauna's first interview is the way it is because she's annoyed at Becky for that.
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I'm of the same opinion as Insp. Dots.
IMO, SH is guilty of the before, during and after, (NM's words, I keep repeating
) BUT......
Great post, Rach. No need to quote it all.
As per the judge's directions, common sense and drawing inferences should get us there.
If she had only told the truth about something, I might have been willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.
As per the judge's directions, common sense and drawing inferences should get us there.
If she had only told the truth about something, I might have been willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.
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