GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #5

[sar2them1984]

Not that it matters but I thought it was his actual hair. I've seen pictures with him with spiky sort hair but also seen ones of him with a longer bowl style haircut which is what I though it was in the cctv

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Scratch that I've just seen different stills on the Daily Mail website and it is indeed a beanie hat

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[jessie]

Well I agree Jinks, but what astounds me and is so clearly shown on that CCTV is his calmness and seeming composure. What 24 hours or so after he has killed Becky, and while he's buying something with such gruesome intentions in mind.
It's unbelievable to me, horrendous man.
Imo.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Well I agree Jinks, but what astounds me and is so clearly shown on that CCTV is his calmness and seeming composure. What 24 hours or so after he has killed Becky, and while he's buying something with such gruesome intentions in mind.
It's unbelievable to me, horrendous man.
Imo.

This might sound strange, but bear with me. His calmness while browsing for power tools does not surprise me. The reason? A person who is capable of thinking about, planning for, and carrying out such an act would only do so because he actually wanted to do it. So it would make sense that he is calm (also because he likely considers himself able to outsmart the police).

Its the same thing with most murderers in court. Many people act shocked that the person doesn't show remorse. Well, remorse is only going be there if the person had empathy to begin with. If they don't have the empathy and wanted to kill someone, and feel justified in their decision to do so- why would we ever expect them to show remorse?

 

[Hexenb]

Just wondering if NM & SH actually had a stun gun each and both went to Becky's room together to attack her, I did read there was two stun guns somewhere jmo

 

[Edinlass]

This might sound strange, but bear with me. His calmness while browsing for power tools does not surprise me. The reason? A person who is capable of thinking about, planning for, and carrying out such an act would only do so because he actually wanted to do it. So it would make sense that he is calm (also because he likely considers himself able to outsmart the police).

Its the same thing with most murderers in court. Many people act shocked that the person doesn't show remorse. Well, remorse is only going be there if the person had empathy to begin with. If they don't have the empathy and wanted to kill someone, and feel justified in their decision to do so- why would we ever expect them to show remorse?

I agree with everything you say. I think it's more the shock from normal people like us at his calmness not that he is so calm as such. It's just beyond comprehension.

 

[mrazda71]

Becky's Dad, Darren is giving evidence today

ETA - just had an update to say, that Darren isn't appearing as a witness this morning now, next update due at lunchtime :/

 

[bos]

I gave up trying to post on here yesterday - kept logging me out!
I agree SH must have known and participated in the cover up evidenced by the joint shopping trips; DNA in face mask & in the knot of a plastic bag used to package body parts and the phoning her estranged mother out of the blue in order to delay the police coming to their house. At the moment though, I think it's going to be difficult to find her guilty of murder. Association with the self-confessed killer and conspiring to pervert the course of justice don't make her guilty of murder. I am not sure what percentage of evidence is being reported; there seems to be more reporting of what NM has told police & nothing regarding what SH has claimed.

 

[Alyce]

Just wondering if NM & SH actually had a stun gun each and both went to Becky's room together to attack her, I did read there was two stun guns somewhere jmo

I think that is a distinct possibility



And .............. Welcome to DS :wagon:

 

[Alyce]

I gave up trying to post on here yesterday - kept logging me out!
I agree SH must have known and participated in the cover up evidenced by the joint shopping trips; DNA in face mask & in the knot of a plastic bag used to package body parts and the phoning her estranged mother out of the blue in order to delay the police coming to their house. At the moment though, I think it's going to be difficult to find her guilty of murder. Association with the self-confessed killer and conspiring to pervert the course of justice don't make her guilty of murder. I am not sure what percentage of evidence is being reported; there seems to be more reporting of what NM has told police & nothing regarding what SH has claimed.

Ditto with the being logged out !

I was debating this with some pals last night. I was of the opinion that SH will be convicted of murder, but they thought, as you do, that there may not be enough to prove she did anything, other than assist with the cover up. I do hope there is more evidence against her.

 

[mrazda71]

It would seem, so far as we've been told as yet, that this was a planned attack - to kidnap Becky etc ... if Shauna WASN'T involved - why on earth would he do it while Shauna and their small child were with him?

IF this was a sole enterprise - SURELY he would go alone to execute his plan?

 

[Alyce]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6601785



We’re back underway at Bristol Crown Court and the first witness is Shaun Hoare’s step-dad Kevin Stone.

The judge has allowed him to give evidence from behind a screen.

 

[bos]

It would seem, so far as we've been told as yet, that this was a planned attack - to kidnap Becky etc ... if Shauna WASN'T involved - why on earth would he do it while Shauna and their small child were with him?

IF this was a sole enterprise - SURELY he would go alone to execute his plan?

I do think kidnapping plan was joint but my point is that I think it's going to be difficult to disprove that SH was sitting outside in the car as NM claims & to prove that she was in the bedroom and participated in the actual killing beyond reasonable doubt

 

[sar2them1984]

Like above I too think that will be the sticking point when it comes to SH charge of murder. I'm at work so can't look it up fully but if found guilty of all the other charges put to her, what prison sentence would SH be looking at if she was found not guilty of murder?

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[sar2them1984]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JerryLawton/status/652429921634119680

SH stepdad giving evidence from behind screen. Said he was shocked that SH and NM visited after 5yrs. First time they had seen their grandchild

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[Alyce]

Hoare’s mum Lisa Donovan had four children by Ernie Hall and Shauna was the youngest. Lisa then had a couple of children with second husband Mr Stone who has one of his own children.
Then Lisa had two children with another man after she and Mr Stone split up before they later got back together again, the jury heard.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6601785

 

[mrazda71]

Hoare’s mum Lisa Donovan had four children by Ernie Hall and Shauna was the youngest. Lisa then had a couple of children with second husband Mr Stone who has one of his own children.
Then Lisa had two children with another man after she and Mr Stone split up before they later got back together again, the jury heard.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6601785

How/why is that relevant? Not directed at you directly Alyce

 

[Alyce]

I agree re the burden of proof but .... just taking NMs story as true for a moment ( which I dont believe at all ) then what was going to happen ?
He would * kidnap* Becky in her room, then what ? take her downstairs to the car, and pop her on the back seat with the child ? and say what to SH ?
that bit is hard to explain and I do hope he is asked to do so ( assuming he takes the stand which I suppose is doubtful )

 

[Alyce]

How/why is that relevant? Not directed at you directly Alyce

Sorry, I was just trying to add snippets from the live blog as am conscious we are not supposed to post it all ..........
I always like to know family structures, find it interesting.

 

[Alyce]

[video=twitter;652433316235333632]https://twitter.com/ITVWCBeckyTrial/status/652433316235333632[/video]

 

[Alyce]

Summary of the charges

While we wait for court to resume, here’s a summary of who all the defendants are, the charges they face, and what they have admitted to and deny.

Becky Watts’ stepbrother Nathan Matthews pleaded guilty to three offences at the start of the trial at Bristol Crown Court - but denies her murder.

Nathan Matthews

Conspiracy to kidnap - NOT GUILTY
Murder - NOT GUILTY but admits killing Becky
Perverting the course of justice - GUILTY
Preventing the lawful burial of Becky Watts - GUILTY
Possessing a prohibited weapon, namely two stun guns - GUILTY

Shauna Hoare

Conspiracy to kidnap - NOT GUILTY
Murder - NOT GUILTY
Perverting the course of justice - NOT GUILTY
Preventing the lawful burial of Becky Watts - NOT GUILTY
Possessing a prohibited weapon, namely two stun guns - NOT GUILTY

James Ireland and Donavan Demetrius

Assisting an offender - NOT GUILTY

Jaydene Parker, 23, and boyfriend 29-year-old Karl Demetrius admitted assisting an offender at an earlier hearing.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6601785