GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #5

[Tealgrove]

I would love to see SH's eyes as she's recounting her tale. She appears somewhat anxious to me. Some long pauses, her head tilts as she tries to remember certain things. Interesting when the interviewer asks her how far away she was from the door when it slammed shut she REALLY had to think about it. He also asked what else she heard and she stayed right on script.

MOO MOO I think she was there for the whole thing. She may not have been in Becky's room for the "murder" but I am sure she assisted all the way along with everything. I don't buy her story one little bit.

I also think the child was left in the vehicle while Becky was being murdered and then brought into the house later. Perhaps two reasons for backing the vehicle into the driveway. The first because they planned on leaving the child in the car and wanted it close to the house and the other to have the car as close to the house with the trunk (boot) hidden from the street to allow ease for getting Becky into the vehicle (dead or alive), without anyone seeing.

Nothing is becoming terribly clear. I seem to have more questions than answers.

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

Hi everyone,
I have been reading quietly 😉
This is such a tragic, devastating case. I do wonder if SH is still pregnant? This case has been tried quite fast. I'm in Ontario Canada. And it usually takes years around here.
Thanks

 

[Edinlass]

Just watched the police interview with SH...seems more sure of herself than I thought, hmmmm.........

 

[jessie]

Is is probable that NM and SH will take the stand? I rarely follow trials on WS myself, so would appreciate outside knowledge. TYIA.

 

[sar2them1984]

It depends - I'm not sure. I was going to say they would but then the prosecution chose to read transcript of NMs interview rather than play the actual video which has left me doubting whether he will get called up. Especially as he has already admitted to killing Becky but not meaning to

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[Hexenb]

I agree I think SH is a little more articulate than shes been given credit for not the shy controlled wallflower I presumed!

 

[Edinlass]

Spot on....can see her being very manipulative.

 

[Alyce]

Shaunas video interview is now online

https://youtu.be/7Hu7nOA3hjI

Or at
http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-Wa...lice-thought/story-27967348-detail/story.html

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Many thanks for those links Sar.

I am no body language expert ( would be great if there is one on here ) but to me this is a nervous girl who has something to hide. It could be nothing very much, but her nervous giggling and smiling in an effort to please - all says to me she is keen to create a bond with the interviewer and provide as much information as she can about the parts of that day that are easy to talk about ( smoking in the garden, feeding the rabbit, being in the kitchen ) in the hope that the interviewer will not move onto asking her any more detailed questions and bring her into the area where she is going to have to lie.

The part where she is hesitant about the distance from where she was in the kitchen to where the front door is - could just be because she is not good at gauging distances, rather than her trying to cover up anything.

I found it interesting ( although again it could be nothing ) that, with regard to the time that they arrived at the house and the time that she heard the front door slam - SH cannot remember the time exactly.
However, she is spot on with the time that AG called DG and equally spot on with the time that DG arrived home.

 

[sar2them1984]

Ok so a few things I've picked up from the interview:

1. As others have said she cones across as quite articulate and confident, certainly not the shy downtrodden individual some have described

2. She doesn't look uncomfortable or as if she's trying to remember a script so to speak. Her body language is quite open,casual and Conversational and she uses her hands quite a bit which is also a relaxed habit

3. She's not displaying any tell tale signs of lying I. E messing with nose/hair, looking away etc

4. Daughter was in the garden with her

Obviously this isn't the whole interview as can be seen from the time stamp.

She doesn't appear to be feeling under pressure to remember parts of the story which is screaming to me that perhaps it is true..I'm wondering if it was planned that she'd be outside when it happened 1. So the child wasn't in the house and 2. In some misguided attempt to plead ignorance if things went wrong

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[sar2them1984]

Isn't it funny how we all can interpret the same set of body language so differently

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[eneri12]

Isn't it funny how we all can interpret the same set of body language so differently

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Yes! Can totally see how both posts above can see different things. The video was definitely a surprise as I wasn't expecting her to come across as she did. And yes not really fidgety at all which we might expect. Either a very controlled, calculating individual or not as involved as first thought?

 

[sar2them1984]

It also brings home how,even though they're invaluable for information, the live tweets do not do justice to the evidence. . that video has now made me go hmm... as you say shes either controlled and calculating and in it up to her neck, really doesn't know what happened in the house or did know what was going to happen but not the details so she could go down the lines of if I don't know how it happened it can't be pinned on me... up until now I was sure she was 100% in on it...now.....

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[epiphany]

She appears to have rehearsed the description of her movements in Becky's home.

She provides a lot of details, almost too many imo, esp in the opening part of the interview...She has practiced & is prepared.

She is a decent actress. Her hands are mostly clasped and her legs remain crossed in the interview clip/s available.

She adds nice touches (BBM) re Oh, yeah, in addition to the music, I heard a stomp, stomp, stomp down the stairs:

I heard stomping down stairs. That's what made me think Becky had left in a mood.

I heard stomp, stomp, stomp down the stairs. I thought she was having one of her moods. It only seemed like one person.

Becky is not the most light footed of people. There was just stomping, then the door slammed. I just assumed she was in a bit of a tantrum about something then went out.

– Shauna Hoare

http://www.itv.com/news/west/2015-10-12/watch-shauna-hoare-calmly-describes-events-to-police/


Not sure if the transfer of Becky's body into the vehicle's trunk is when she is in the garden feeding the rabbits w/child and having a smoke.

Or if the murder occurs during this time (when hubby alone was supposed to have placed an alive Becky in the trunk) when she is in garden w/child, smoking & feeding rabbits to distract child.

The music could have been turned up & child placed in front of TV while she & hubby went upstairs together to carry out the failed kidnapping.

One thing I am fairly certain of is that she knew that the plan was to kidnap Becky that morning.

She repeated 3 times (that I heard) that she washed her hands. She may have, but her hands her still Very Dirty

 

[sar2them1984]

Okay completely rumour till I get it backed up by a reputable source I can link to on here but apparently NM was in the Welsh Transport Regiment (Reserves) for all of a couple of months. For those that aren't familiar this regiment is a logistics one rather than combat.

It provides operational support to the regular army, police forces and local authorities at events such as Armed Forces day

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[Hexenb]

It also brings home how,even though they're invaluable for information, the live tweets do not do justice to the evidence. . that video has now made me go hmm... as you say shes either controlled and calculating and in it up to her neck, really doesn't know what happened in the house or did know what was going to happen but not the details so she could go down the lines of if I don't know how it happened it can't be pinned on me... up until now I was sure she was 100% in on it...now.....

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ok lets give her the benefit of the doubt for the interview now I'm trying to think around the gruesome part how could she not hear a saw couldn't be that the bathroom door was shut as no electric sockets in bathrooms she was shopping with NM when he bought bleach,bags, clingfilm etc what the hell did she think he wanted them for? totally puzzling!

 

[epiphany]

I wonder where this sexual assault was supposed to occur?

Surely not in Becky's home. Doesn't make sense to assault her in her own home and then murder her there. Their plan went awry. In any event, don't believe they would have ever allowed Becky to remain alive no matter where such an assault occurred.

What was the original plan?

An alive Becky is kidnapped & then placed into the trunk of vehicle. Did they plan on taking her to their home to sexually assault & murder her there:

What sticks in my mind is the sheer amount of junk really. You could see it piled up around the hallway. I couldn't even walk through the hallway:

I went into the lounge. There was only really enough room for a narrow passage to go through the lounge to the kitchen.

There was so much stuff in there. You couldn't have sat down on the sofa or anything like that.

Similarly there was lots of junk in the kitchen as well. Upstairs I tried to look in every room as best as I could.

Again there was stuff everywhere. You could only just about get through to the bed if you wanted to.

– Detective Constable Paul Austins

http://www.itv.com/news/west/story/2015-10-12/becky-watts-trial-day-4/

 

[sar2them1984]

ok lets give her the benefit of the doubt for the interview now I'm trying to think around the gruesome part how could she not hear a saw couldn't be that the bathroom door was shut as no electric sockets in bathrooms she was shopping with NM when he bought bleach,bags, clingfilm etc what the hell did she think he wanted them for? totally puzzling!

Oh I'm not disputing in the slightest that she knew what had happened. You have to be one special person not to. She's fully implicated in that bit but was she involved in the murder? Know what was happening but didn't take part? Or was completely ignorant until after the fact...That's the sticking point for me

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[sar2them1984]

I wonder where this sexual assault was supposed to occur?

Surely not in Becky's home. Doesn't make sense to assault her in her own home and then murder her there. Their plan went awry. In any event, don't believe they would have ever allowed Becky to remain alive no matter where such an assault occurred.

What was the original plan?

An alive Becky is kidnapped & then placed into the trunk of vehicle. Did they plan on taking her to their home to sexually assault & murder her there:

What sticks in my mind is the sheer amount of junk really. You could see it piled up around the hallway. I couldn't even walk through the hallway:

I went into the lounge. There was only really enough room for a narrow passage to go through the lounge to the kitchen.

There was so much stuff in there. You couldn't have sat down on the sofa or anything like that.

Similarly there was lots of junk in the kitchen as well. Upstairs I tried to look in every room as best as I could.

Again there was stuff everywhere. You could only just about get through to the bed if you wanted to.

– Detective Constable Paul Austins

http://www.itv.com/news/west/story/2015-10-12/becky-watts-trial-day-4/

I said it before and I still stick by it now.. the intention was always to kill Becky after she had met their needs. Something went wrong and it happened a lot sooner than "they" thought it would

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[Hexenb]

Oh I'm not disputing in the slightest that she knew what had happened. You have to be one special person not to. She's fully implicated in that bit but was she involved in the murder? Know what was happening but didn't take part? Or was completely ignorant until after the fact...That's the sticking point for me

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I can't make my mind up about that as to whether she was involved in the murder. I keep thinking about how it was said Becky fought for her life she must have been kicking and screaming and NM must have looked ruffled up afterwards. Its the two stun guns I keep thinking about why two? Then the little one, unless she was asleep I can't imagine SH being in the bedroom with him helping him with the child awake in her arms and I can't imagine her leaving little one downstairs on her own at the moment I am thinking she wasn't involved with the actual killing

 

[sar2them1984]

On a side note I see that NMs address in court was given again as Hazelbury Drive, Warmley - did we ever determine what relevance this address was seeing have police stated that Becky was dismembered at "their home" in Barton Hill

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