UK UK - Renata Antczak, 49, Hull, East Yorkshire, 25 April 2017

[Tortoise]

Just a theory - Renata set up by Lipinski, who had picked up Mustafa after Renata left to go to the school, they drove to the ambush location. After, Mustafa drives her car home and Lipinski drives himself home.

 

[Alyce]

I think the idea of some kind of ambush on the way back from the school run is very plausible.

It would seem that the Merc, previously described as Renata's car, is actually the family car, used by both Renata and MM.
MM must have needed the car daily to get to his work at the dental practice. Therefore, it is possible he was usually the person who did the school run before continuing on to work.

But by saying he was unwell on that day, this would have forced Renata to take their daughter to school. From there, as you say Tortoise, she was either phoned and met up with RL or they ambushed her at some point on her return journey.
CCTV at the school but probably not on the complete route back to her home.

 

[Alyce]

Driving route from Beamsley Way to Broadacre School


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/B...2d3711f9e09!2m2!1d-0.3404252!2d53.8004157!3e0

 

[ZaZara]

Driving route from Beamsley Way to Broadacre School


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/B...2d3711f9e09!2m2!1d-0.3404252!2d53.8004157!3e0

A fifteen minute walk. Whatever happened to kids that they needed a car for this?

 

[Alyce]

A fifteen minute walk. Whatever happened to kids that they needed a car for this?

You have to see some of the kids round here, taken on car journeys of a couple of hundred yards to the school gates !! very sad...

back on topic..... there was evidence from a neighbour ( link earlier in this thread ) who said that he saw the younger daughter who had just walked back from school ( didnt specify which day )....
So my guess is that MM, or on this day Renata, drove their daughter to school in the morning but she then walked home in the afternoon.

Am trying to see if there is a shorter walking route from school to home.

 

[Tortoise]

As they showed in the Helen Bailey trial, witness sightings have to be treated with caution. If enquiries weren't made locally immediately, it would be easy for a neighbour to be mistaken about whether he saw her on the Monday or the Tuesday, unless he had a specific reason to recall it. I think it's looking likely that Renata never returned home from the school run that morning, given the wording of the latest request for information on the car.

 

[Ironside]

I think an attack in her own home makes more sense. Why attack her somewhere risky when you can do so in the privacy of your own home? The police want info on her car as they think her body was moved in it imo

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[Tortoise]

I think an attack in her own home makes more sense. Why attack her somewhere risky when you can do so in the privacy of your own home? The police want info on her car as they think her body was moved in it imo

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I don't know Ironside, this would eliminate any forensic evidence in the home if she was killed at another location, plus they are asking for the car's movements before it arrived back home.

 

[Ironside]

I don't know Ironside, this would eliminate any forensic evidence in the home if she was killed at another location, plus they are asking for the car's movements before it arrived back home.

If she was poisoned there wouldn't any blood spatters to trace so forensics in the home wouldn't be a worry for her husband.

If police don't know her movements at all after going to the school her going straight home is a possibility, the car could then have been used to dump her.

 

[Tortoise]

If she was poisoned there wouldn't any blood spatters to trace so forensics in the home wouldn't be a worry for her husband.

If police don't know her movements at all after going to the school her going straight home is a possibility, the car could then have been used to dump her.

Well Helen Bailey was drugged in her home before she was smothered, and the cadaver dogs picked up the scent of death in many places, even though she was moved to the cesspit and the duvet she was moved on had been taken to the tip.

 

[Ironside]

Well Helen Bailey was drugged in her home before she was smothered, and the cadaver dogs picked up the scent of death in many places, even though she was moved to the cesspit and the duvet she was moved on had been taken to the tip.

Good point. We don't know if the police dogs did pick up anything in the house or not though. Maybe they did but that on it's own isn't enough evidence to charge anyone with murder.

It wasn't instantly announced that dogs picked up the scent of death at Helen Baileys house, that was only something that came out in court.

 

[Alyce]

Just seen this update


Police are searching land near the home of missing Hull mum Renata Antczak.

Officers going through fields between Kesteven Way and Bude Road, in Kingswood, just a few hundred metres away from Mrs Antczak's home in Beamsley Way

It comes as detectives confirmed on Friday morning that they are now treating the investigation into the mum-of-two's disappearance as potential murder.

"Lots of marine and police presence on Kingswood at the moment," they said.-- opposite Bude Road entrance, on the fields between Asda and Home Bargains.


Police were also spotted at the site on Wednesday, with residents saying officers in two vehicles were searching the grassland.

Speaking to the media on Friday, Detective Superintendent Gráinne Casey said the investigation was now to a potential murder case.

"It has now been 52 days since Renata went missing and we have had no confirmed sightings in this time. We are investigating the case as a potential murder," she said.

"Our primary goal is still to find Renata alive and well, however the investigation at this stage raises significant concerns that some harm may have come to her."



http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/miss...0393957-detail/story.html#zE3Wvyv5Gmem2Vw0.99

 

[Alyce]

Police have announced a "significant development" in the search for missing Hull mum-of-two Renata Antczak.

A press conference was held at 11am Priory Road Police Station in west Hull, in relation to Renata's disappearance. They have confirmed they are now treating her disappearance as a "potential murder" case.



Read more at http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/live...0393684-detail/story.html#wZkVDUocmXcuVlZ2.99

 

[Alyce]

Police search been ongoing throughout the week

The police search in land around Kingswood and Bransholme has been ongoing for the past couple of days.

Officers have been seen in the Bude Road and Dulverton Close areas, along with the grassland off Kesteven Way, since Wednesday.


12:56 Police search finished in area

Police have conducted their searches in the area between Kesteven Way and Bude Road for the time being.

It is not known at this stage whether they will return or not



Read more at http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/live...0393684-detail/story.html#wZkVDUocmXcuVlZ2.99

 

[Alyce]

Search area between Kesteven Way / Bude Road / Dulverton Close


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/B...x1a1af87c4cd165!2m2!1d-0.3329114!2d53.7964652

 

[Elainera]

Police have announced a "significant development" in the search for missing Hull mum-of-two Renata Antczak.

A press conference was held at 11am Priory Road Police Station in west Hull, in relation to Renata's disappearance. They have confirmed they are now treating her disappearance as a "potential murder" case.



Read more at http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/live...0393684-detail/story.html#wZkVDUocmXcuVlZ2.99

Was someone talking?

 

[Alyce]

Sounds as though it could be Elainera..... husband and friend are due up in Crown Court on Monday, so police must be hoping they can find evidence before then.

Can't quote them here ,but anyone looking at FB, there are some interesting comments on the Hull Daily Mail FB page

 

[Ironside]

Cops have always been treating this as murder imo. I think someone confessed and cops are just waiting until she is found before upgrading to murder charges.


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[Alyce]

Police back searching Renata's home again this morning


http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/live...nata-antczak/story-30395387-detail/story.html

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Cops have always been treating this as murder imo. I think someone confessed and cops are just waiting until she is found before upgrading to murder charges.

They don't need a body to bring murder charges in the UK. It just needs them to have a very strong circumstantial case that will convince a jury.