UK - Sabina Nessa, 28, found murdered in park, SE London, 18 Sep 2021 *Arrest*

[truantotter]

IMHO, there is really no reason to doubt that the cctv footage was recorded before the attack, as it actually came from this official Met release, and the press was just relaying the info.
The Met would have to mess it up big time were they to get it wrong with such a critical piece of information.

 

[TigerLight]

Oh goodness! The Daily Mail are reporting the reflective item could be a can of cola and are suggesting this is the murder weapon. Poor Sabina.

Detectives say Sabina Nessa might have been bludgeoned to death with a drinks can | Daily Mail Online

 

[Beans]

I had not read about the 7pm time. That is interesting ,could you please give the link for the article which gives the time?

Do you know, I’ve seen it mentioned but wasn’t sure and just realised after going for another look that I think it’s maybe a mix up. I think the 7pm time refers to the vigil, not the time of the CCTV.

Sabina Nessa: Hunt for man caught on CCTV

“Reclaim These Streets, set up after Sarah Everard's murder, held a vigil in Pegler Square - where the suspect was pictured - at 19:00 GMT.”

Now I maybe have to re-think EVERYTHING. I take back what I said about it not being a reporting glitch Luke & co!

 

[Katykins]

The Met is saying the CCTV was from shortly BEFORE her murder

Detectives continue to appeal to identify man in Sabina Nessa murder investigation

 

[Beans]

So it is before the murder but we don’t know what time specifically. Righto.

 

[Dotta]

Oh goodness! The Daily Mail are reporting the reflective item could be a can of cola and are suggesting this is the murder weapon. Poor Sabina.

Detectives say Sabina Nessa might have been bludgeoned to death with a drinks can | Daily Mail Online

OMG! It might indicate a mentally unstable person

 

[Skigh]

The Met is saying the CCTV was from shortly BEFORE her murder

Detectives continue to appeal to identify man in Sabina Nessa murder investigation

This does not sound as if it was a pair of gloves or mask.


People in the Kidbrooke area last Friday may recall seeing this man carrying a red reflective object, and possibly trying to conceal it up his sleeve. If so, please call police.

 

[Beans]

I’m going back for another look at the camera positioned at the end of that street. It looks down at the junction he was heading towards in that footage.

Kidbrooke Park Rd/2021-09-17 - TfL JamCams Archive

 

[Luke84]

IMHO, there is really no reason to doubt that the cctv footage was recorded before the attack, as it actually came from this official Met release, and the press was just relaying the info.
The Met would have to mess it up big time were they to get it wrong with such a critical piece of information.

Yes, completely agree. I had only read the newspaper article, not the official Met release.

Given it is before the attack, IMO the suspicious behaviour of the person on CCTV does not chime with someone who is about to commit a random and spontaneous attack.

 

[Dotta]

Ok - if this bit of info about a can of Cola is true - then it changes everything for me.

I was absolutely sure it was a targeted attack: a bar of iron wrapped by sth as a tool of crime.

But a can of Cola?

If that was the case, sadly Sabina was murdered in a random attack by some disturbed individual patrolling the neighbourhood.

It might explain the audacity of this crime, covering her with leaves as if in shrine.

Or... this person isnt connected to this crime but recorded by cctv loitering there.

Time will tell.

 

[Mrs Goodcat]

Oh goodness! The Daily Mail are reporting the reflective item could be a can of cola and are suggesting this is the murder weapon. Poor Sabina.

Detectives say Sabina Nessa might have been bludgeoned to death with a drinks can | Daily Mail Online

That would surely be very hard to do.

 

[dotr]

ETA did not read posts prior to this one which i would remove but willjust leave it here till we know about the can.

Unsure offhand if the red shiny object was seen before or after the murder, but if it appeared afterward, i would wonder if SN was missing her knickers (Red/shiny?).
No mention of sex assault iirc, but there was a case of a woman who, according to the news, was sexually assaulted- no mention of what i came to learn was that she was tackled solely so the pervy perp could steal her worn underpants.

Other than that, the shiny red object as previously suggested could be a scarf wrapped around a hard object, if it was wrapped around a flashlight for example, it could provide muted light, serve as a weapon, and not look especially suspicious if you said you were looking for something in the dark.
Could be red bottom of screwdriver, fwiw, imo, speculation.

Sabina Nessa: Police hunt man 'carrying red object he may have been concealing' - LBC

Investigators have released CCTV images of a man they are hunting for (Picture: Metropolitan Police)

 

[Sarahlou]

That would surely be very hard to do.

I was going to say the same. Doesn't even seem possible. Utterly bizarre.

 

[JosephineRobert]

This case just gets more and more confusing. Surely you wouldn’t choose a can of drink as a weapon? I mean you’d be better off just punching someone?

 

[Dotta]

That would surely be very hard to do.

Not really, a hit to the temple even with a can of Cola can kill

 

[Skigh]

I think a detective was probably fed up with being asked questions by reporters and when asked what he thought the red object was answered: a can of coke.

 

[MrsWatson]

ETA did not read posts prior to this one which i would remove but willjust leave it here till we know about the can.

Unsure offhand if the red shiny object was seen before or after the murder, but if it appeared afterward, i would wonder if SN was missing her knickers (Red/shiny?).
No mention of sex assault iirc, but there was a case of a woman who, according to the news, was sexually assaulted- no mention of what i came to learn was that she was tackled solely so the pervy perp could steal her worn underpants.

Other than that, the shiny red object as previously suggested could be a scarf wrapped around a hard object, if it was wrapped around a flashlight for example, it could provide muted light, serve as a weapon, and not look especially suspicious if you said you were looking for something in the dark.
Could be red bottom of screwdriver, fwiw, imo, speculation.

Sabina Nessa: Police hunt man 'carrying red object he may have been concealing' - LBC

Investigators have released CCTV images of a man they are hunting for (Picture: Metropolitan Police)

If you look at his hands, that doesn't look like the right shape to be a drinks can. Looks squarish to me.

 

[JosieJo]

I'd imagine a full can of "coke" could give a nasty injury... but it's surely more of a spontaneous weapon...and I'm not sure someone would feel the need to conceal it prior to a crime

 

[Beans]

That would surely be very hard to do.

Yep. Not impossible but seems wildly impractical and would probably take a long time to incapacitate someone with it, unless it’s frozen or something.

I think the source may have been describing the relative shape and size and in true Mail fashion they’ve run with it as a “omg drinks can” headline because they’ve little else to add to their earlier content.

“A police source said officers believed the red item was an ‘object like a drinks can’.”

The word ‘like’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

 

[Rusty Braincells]

I don’t really understand the cola or coke reference apart from the coincidence of colour (red). I have poor eyesight and welcome being corrected but what the CCTV man has in his hands is very flexible and looks nothing like a canned beverage at all. Even if it was, I don’t see how you kill someone with that.

I am also personally very confused by the police activity & statements here, I hope ok to say but this object the man on camera holds has ALWAYS to my (admittedly, poor eyesight) eyes looked RED (I thought his hands had blood on at first) and not ORANGE, on the distinct evidence in still and moving footage that was released. Not much may turn on that, but I was as a member of the public, very confused by having my senses confounded on the colour.