UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 #3

[arrogantcat]

Just out of interest - would we expect a response of this size if, say, her phone had been traced to being reactivated at a later point somewhere within this building?

 

[RexLuther]

If she is in there and deceased, we are getting into smell territory...

Well the dogs have been out checking drains today.

 

[Anon973]

In America they teach: run hide fight, in that order. Never ever comply. I guess it’s not easy in practice.

New member, been following along since yesterday, something about this case has grabbed my attention. I am a woman of a similar age to SE, and was a victim of a violent attack in North London back in 2015, whilst walking home alone after dark, but not late, so maybe that's why this has struck a chord with me.

Just wanted to comment on the above, and comments in the earlier thread about lack of a scream potentially being significant. I think unfortunately until you are a victim of a violent crime you can't know how you are going to react. You always think you will run, or fight back, or scream, but I think in reality many more people freeze. You usually have no control over it, when met with a threat to your life you get an automatic fight, flight or freeze response from the amygdala that happens without you putting any conscious thought into it. In my case, I was punched in the face hard out of nowhere, and didn't even realise what was happening until I was on the ground taking more blows to the head. I completely froze up and didn't make a sound. Thankfully my attacker took my bag and ran off, and I only had minor injuries (and a serious case of PTSD which took a lot of therapy to get over).

 

[ludakristen]

This is interesting:

"Uber has used it's smartphone software to pinpoint which of it's 45,000 London drivers were in the vicinity when Sarah Everard vanished.

The taxi giant has asked them to contact the police if they have any relevant information in relation to Sarah's disappearance, a spokesperson said."

Uber uses phone software to pinpoint drivers near where Sarah Everard vanished

 

[Mersault]

I completely agree.

When we first arrived in London as young professionals in 2000 we lived in exactly these kind of places - in zone 1 in those days as fewer people wanted to live centrally. Many of these places are quite decent inside and still affordable.

Also someone working as a marketing manager in their early 30s isn't necessarily that well off compared to how expensive london is

I completely agree.

When we first arrived in London as young professionals in 2000 we lived in exactly these kind of places - in zone 1 in those days as fewer people wanted to live centrally. Many of these places are quite decent inside and still affordable.

Also someone working as a marketing manager in their early 30s isn't necessarily that well off compared to how expensive london is

Not really relevant, but she must be doing pretty well to live alone in that area and have a £600+ sports coat. Could be that she normally has a flatmate (or flatmates) who’s moved out for lockdown though.

She did have headphones with her for the journey, so may not have heard an attacker approach.

 

[tedtink]

Just out of interest - would we expect a response of this size if, say, her phone had been traced to being reactivated at a later point somewhere within this building?

No, as LE have already mentioned the last ping.

 

[infinit]

Just out of interest - would we expect a response of this size if, say, her phone had been traced to being reactivated at a later point somewhere within this building?

I doubt it unless they are going flat to flat.

 

[KensingtonandChelsea]

IMO if they’re deploying forensics then it’s either because they believe they might find her or some evidence, whether that’s some of her possessions or proof that a crime was committed relating to her somewhere in that block of flats. They wouldn’t go to all that effort with forensics if it was just a search or arrest.

 

[Vera_dci]

Makes me sad to post this but I wonder if a smell has been reported

 

[Parmalade]

Agree.
It's possible that LE have sent forensics in to see if she WAS in there at some stage.
She may not be there now.

JMO

Thinking about it, I agree with this post and the one it was replying to - I’d be surprised if LE allowed this public but clearly methodical display of preparing to investigate something forensically if they think a suspect is still in the building too as, although they’ve sealed it, we don’t know if they’ve apprehended someone inside or not. If not, and the perp is in there, this would be giving the perp time to dispose of whatever they could inside the building. Much more likely that either (a) they have a suspect already in custody and are now investigating for traces of SE being in the suspect’s address (or a weapon/property of SE) or (b) they’ve swooped in with the right team already to apprehend a suspect in there prior to then creating the cordon which would obviously be picked up by media and locals.

 

[KensingtonandChelsea]

For what it’s worth, a BBC London Home Affairs correspondent tweeted that the police have confirmed the activity around the flats is connected to Sarah. Hopefully I’m allowed to mention her because she is an MSM journalist.

 

[arrogantcat]

No, as LE have already mentioned the last ping.

I realise this, but was more considering if something were to have changed in the course of today. They’re under no obligation to update the public should the phone ping again unless it helps their investigation.

 

[tedtink]

Makes me sad to post this but I wonder if a smell has been reported

It's either that, in an unoccupied flat or someone is in for questioning already and LE has a warrant to search.
JMO

 

[Firstsnow4]

Makes me sad to post this but I wonder if a smell has been reported

this is desperately sad if so

 

[Acorunadepor]

IMO if they’re deploying forensics then it’s either because they believe they might find her or some evidence, whether that’s some of her possessions or proof that a crime was committed relating to her somewhere in that block of flats. They wouldn’t go to all that effort with forensics if it was just a search or arrest.

Well they brought the dogs at the beginning of the search, I believe right after that the street was closed off.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

New Daily Mail update, includes the dog walkers on the Tfl CCTV we saw, saying police would like to speak to them

Search for missing Sarah Everard, 33, enters sixth day

Search for missing Sarah Everard, 33, enters sixth day as new CCTV footage shows no sign of her | Daily Mail Online

 

[Jimmy Pats]

Must say as a male Londoner following this forum has been a real education. The number of female posters who have reported crimes against their person - flashing, stalking, mugging, beatings and worse - is eye opening. Also alarming that many of these incidents are remembered in a matter of fact way - and that is in no way to denigrate the victim - as if this is part and parcel of living in a large city. And clearly this is the reality for many women. It truly sickens me, it’s shameful and my sympathies go out to all who have been victims of crime.

 

[Mersault]

The length of time they’ve been there without bringing anyone out makes me think there’s no suspect there.

 

[Amonet]

If no one is allowed inside the flats does that suggest the police think she may have been inside a particular flat at some time rather than being left outside or in the bin area?

I would say it might. But it might also be that they want to take dogs in there and search a few flats for scents or other evidence and just don't want people moving around inside the block.

 

[mrjitty]

No, as LE have already mentioned the last ping.

It is of course possible they got more detailed info when more analysis was carried out which hasn't been revealed.