Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #10

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As is usual, because one of its own has been arrested, the Met referred itself to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) as well as its in-house Directorate of Professional Standards.

Both are responsible for investigating complaints about the professional conduct of officers.

The IOPC has also launched an investigation into the Met's initial handling of the missing person investigation."

Sarah Everard murder case: What happens next?

There were multiple referrals to the IOPC - I think five of them?

I could well be wrong and getting mixed up though, I'm sure there was one relating to the earlier incident which isn't as clear.
 
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Have the indecent exposure allegations moved to charges or been dropped now? not noticed any mention of those in the bbc article, only kidnap and murder.
 
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FYI Sleuthers: Under contempt of court laws in UK -- be advised sourced info will not be forthcoming until after the trial...

Sarah Everard murder case: What happens next?

12 March 2021

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Wayne Couzens will be taken to Westminster Magistrates' Court for his first court appearance.

All such proceedings start at the magistrate level, where a defendant confirms personal details such as their name, date of birth and where they live. Serious crimes, known as indictable offences, are always sent up to crown court.

The 48-year-old will then appear at crown court - most likely the Central Criminal Court in London, which is better known as the Old Bailey.

A judge will listen to the background of the case and can grant or refuse bail - although it is extremely rare for someone accused of murder to be granted bail. The judge will also set a date for a plea hearing and, should Mr Couzens plead not guilty, he will go on to be tried by a jury.

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Custody ahead of a trial carries a time limit which is currently eight months, but this can be reviewed, extended or cut by a judge.

There are protocols in place to expedite the most serious cases, both in the interests of public protection and management of dangerous offenders on remand.

Any trial could well take place this year, should it be fast-tracked.

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Particularly now there has been a charge in the case, people need to be especially cautious about what they post about it on social media.

Posts should not include comments claiming or implying that any suspect is guilty of an offence of which they have been accused, nor anything else that could prejudice a trial or impede the administration of justice.

This is because, according to English law, everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proven guilty and everyone has the right to a fair trial.

Criminal proceedings against Mr Couzens have been "active" since his arrest.

This means that under contempt of court laws, nothing should be published that could cause a substantial risk of seriously prejudicing or impeding the legal process, for example by influencing potential jurors.

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As is usual, because one of its own has been arrested, the Met referred itself to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) as well as its in-house Directorate of Professional Standards.

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Ms Everard's last known movements were at about 21:30 GMT on 3 March, shortly after she got off the phone to her boyfriend.

It took roughly 36 hours for police to make their initial appeal for information about the whereabouts of the marketing executive.

But the findings of investigations into the way the case was handled would not be made public until after any murder trial.
But what happens to the sub judice rule on a US site? UK laws cannot prevent them from discussing cases before trial, can they?
 
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I had a question about the few days/shifts when WC was allowed to work, armed, eg at the Embassy. How would it work in practice for him to be under surveillance and not notice, given his role is security? And would it have been possible for him to have been contained in some way he was unaware of, eg not given real ammunition for his firearm? (That specifically may be a ridiculous suggestion but you get my drift of the kind of Qs I have... )
 
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Have the indecent exposure allegations moved to charges or been dropped now? not noticed any mention of those in the bbc article, only kidnap and murder.

I don't believe he has been charged with IE yet.
 
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Hypothetically, does anyone know whether participating in these threads would disqualify people here from serving on a jury?
 
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If I had a rough guess I would say in the next 12 -18 months
I think possibly the trial will have to take place within 6 months because of WC being in custody. There will be pressure on to get on with it.
 
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Hypothetically, does anyone know whether participating in these threads would disqualify people here from serving on a jury?

I don't think so, any information you have from these threads has been already been made available online. I know you wouldn't be able to come on here if you were a juror though... too much temptation hehe.
 
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As a mother, my heart breaks for Sarah's mom. She can't even hold her baby one last time.
 
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But what happens to the sub judice rule on a US site? UK laws cannot prevent them from discussing cases before trial, can they?

IMO these types of laws would be obviously unconstitutional in the US. The UK does not have jurisdiction over US persons or companies so it is unenforceable here. It would only really apply to people subject to UK jurisdiction. Since the conduct isn't illegal in the US I'd say there's zero chance anyone could be extradited unless there was something really egregious that would rise to the level of a crime in the US.
 
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As a mother, my heart breaks for Sarah's mom. She can't even hold her baby one last time.

Ditto. I look at my sweet children and it hurts my heart, I try not to imagine the pain her parents must be going through because it must be unbearable.
 
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Hypothetically, does anyone know whether participating in these threads would disqualify people here from serving on a jury?

If I were involved in the case I would definitely ask about it. I don't know how it works in the UK but in the US you will have dozens of jurors available and you do what's called "voir dire" during jury selection. Both sides question potential jurors about their views, opinions, and you can strike people who seem biased against your side.

Defense lawyers will usually look for people who are not interested in news, haven't heard of the case, don't follow crime/news. You want people who will hear the evidence for the first time in court and are open to considering each fact as it comes. At least that's the ideal to get your client a fair trial based only on admissible evidence.
 
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IMO these types of laws would be obviously unconstitutional in the US. The UK does not have jurisdiction over US persons or companies so it is unenforceable here. It would only really apply to people subject to UK jurisdiction. Since the conduct isn't illegal in the US I'd say there's zero chance anyone could be extradited unless there was something really egregious that would rise to the level of a crime in the US.
Thank you, but I was specifically speaking about people in the UK commenting on an American site. Even if they don't comment, they can read which could influence them as much. I think that this is a law that has not kept up with the times.
 
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Ditto. I look at my sweet children and it hurts my heart, I try not to imagine the pain her parents must be going through because it must be unbearable.
There is no pain on earth like losing a child. I am qualified to say that.
 
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But what happens to the sub judice rule on a US site? UK laws cannot prevent them from discussing cases before trial, can they?

I am not sure, but from what I read on link below, IMO individual posters would need to be careful that they don't post anything prejudicial from now on - particularly individuals in the Uk IMO. It depends what is meant by "social media users" possibly but it could be taken as read that it is anything you post on the internet. Maybe mods can advise.

"Editors, publishers and social media users should take legal advice to ensure they are in a position to fully comply with the obligations to which they are subject under the Contempt of Court Act 1981."

Media Advisory Notice – Disappearance of Sarah Everard
 
  • #196
Hi.New member here.
Quick question.
If he pleads guilty does that mean that we won't hear details of what happened?
 
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If I were involved in the case I would definitely ask about it. I don't know how it works in the UK but in the US you will have dozens of jurors available and you do what's called "voir dire" during jury selection. Both sides question potential jurors about their views, opinions, and you can strike people who seem biased against your side.

Defense lawyers will usually look for people who are not interested in news, haven't heard of the case, don't follow crime/news. You want people who will hear the evidence for the first time in court and are open to considering each fact as it comes. At least that's the ideal to get your client a fair trial based only on admissible evidence.

We don't do voir dire here, but I'm wondering whether potential jurors are asked general questions about whether they've followed the case in the media, whether they've already formed any opinions about the defendent etc. You would have to be living under a rock not to have been following this though, so I guess we're all still eligible...
 
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Hi.New member here.
Quick question.
If he pleads guilty does that mean that we won't hear details of what happened?


I think it means we'd hear details more quickly actually as we wouldn't have to wait for a lengthy trial.
 
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