Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #10

[PleasantMess]

I just want to point out that it said he started a 12 hour shift at 7pm on 2nd March, and then he went on leave. I am assuming this was sick leave rather than holiday leave. There is nothing that states he finished the shift. He STARTED it and then went on leave. He could have left his job after an hour. MOO

 

[MariaMac]

With LLs recent comments and the very open, public point of their 'meeting', it really does make me wonder if they did indeed know each other.

I don't think they were in a relationship, but they could have met under a million different circumstances. She does carry a striking resemblance to his wife. Could he have come across her in some other circumstance and got obsessed?

Speculation, again.

Or they have found DNA and so must establish / eliminate any question that she was a friend or frequent visitor to the home. Also speculation.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

No, but she was a runner, I assume she would have been able to outrun him, which makes me think she wasn't scared/worried/intimidated by their interaction at first.

Would the traffic be too fast for her to have run out towards the road? I always imagine I would try to draw attention from passing traffic in the event of trouble. Moo

 

[Seattle1]

Reporting from the Magistrates' Court today was typical and at the discretion of the court.

Contempt and reporting restrictions - BBC Academy

Magistrates’ court and crown court

A number of rules automatically restrict what can be said in certain early hearings in both the magistrates’ and the crown court.

These rules do not apply to reporting trials in the crown court and the magistrates’ court. The courts also have discretion to lift these restrictions depending on the circumstances of the case, including on the application of the media.

In the magistrates’ court, rules apply and limit what can be reported about preliminary hearings in indictable only and either way cases, and also to pre-trial hearings in cases regarding summary offences. Issues such as bail and transfer to the crown court are dealt with at these types of hearings.

In the crown court, similar rules apply to applications for a case to be dismissed, pre-trial hearings and preparatory hearings, all of which are heard by the judge without a jury. The aim of these hearings is for the judge to rule on issues such as what evidence a jury will be told about and to rule on legal issues.

The restrictions are designed to limit publication of any information that might prejudice a subsequent jury trial, so prevent the reference, for example, to any of the evidence in the case and previous convictions.

 

[SpursGyal]

Yes, I imagine the police are wondering whether WC took her to meet his children (head in hands emoji)

I’m sure your very well aware that wasn’t what I was implying.
They obviously have a reason to ask.

I had wondered if he had brought her body back to dispose of in the pond he was apparently making, before changing his mind and finding somewhere else.

 

[Audiohoney]

So why are they asking the question?

I think to eliminate the possibility. Although I do think EC would be classed as essential work. I have a small scientific team who develop cosmetics and they’re in the labs at the moment adhering to restrictions. But definitely in work. It’s one of those jobs that requires access to the lab. So I can imagine she was at work all day, but you’re right, the kids would not be back in school just yet. Unless they were in school because both parents were classed as full time essential workers. Which I guess means he could have had time on his own at home on the 4th.

 

[CuriousObserver1]

She wasn't breaking any rules by walking on her own so that doesn't make any sense. Also I don't think I've ever heard of police officers co-ordinating to escort people home.

Even if not breaking rules, given the all the cases of people being stopped/arrested for minor transgressions in lockdown... if stopped and shown a badge, I have said before, I think most would be in a state of shock and brain trying to process what to say to prove innocence thereby giving him the time to quickly bundle her in the car (which I am sure he had been trained to do as part of his job). I had not heard about police stopping and saying there has been an attack locally and they are escorting lone females home myself, but other said they had - but again if shown a badge and being told there has been an attack nearby, most would at least stop and listen - again giving him time drag her into the car. Whereas otherwise, no badge/police officer ruse...a guy stops his car and approaches you'd step back and be ready to run and scream, IMO I think he used his badge for her to drop her guard long enough to be taken.

 

[smucklecrumble]

I agree, that actually forms part of my version. But for it to be co-ordinated to escort all lone females from an area seems like a stretch?

Tbh there are so many unknowns with this case right now, so a lot of supposition. I think whatever happened to get her into the car happened quickly. Anything prolonged would have drawn the risk of bringing attention and witnesses. This is why I think she went voluntarily under false pretences and by the time she realised this it was too late.

 

[Cannycat]

This is going to sound awful, but given WC’s previous incident of IE, it’s almost certain there was a sexual element to taking Sarah.

Therefore it makes sense to take her somewhere he won’t be disturbed such as garage. Wouldn’t surprise me if he took photos either and they found awful content on the SD card they retrieved. JMO

remember the case of Tia Sharp- key aspect of evidence of sexual abuse was they found his SD card he had hidden. Seems these freaks/creeps/sexual deviants can’t bear to part with their memoirs even though they risk being caught that way...

Tia Sharp trial: picture of naked girl found on memory card 'was taken

 

[PleasantMess]

@LeopardLeotard do you think maybe they asked the question just to cover all bases? Like they don't think she has been there but they have to ask the question incase it comes out later that they didn't even ask.

I was in a car accident once and the police asked if my dad was holding my baby brother whilst driving. They pretty much stated "you were holding the baby at the time weren't you?". I was only a kid and horrified that they would think that. My dad said it was because they wanted to find out as quickly as possible who was where in the vehicle, it was part of the way they were questioning to get the info they needed. JMO

 

[Megnut]

Or items of hers were recovered from the house.

Sick trophies.

JMO

 

[martinwatts5]

On March 2 he began a 12-hour shift at 7pm before going on leave.

So that leaves him in London (presumably?) from around 7am on March 3. What was he doing up until he encountered ES at around 9.35pm that evening?

My thought is that he went home but left for work again knowing he wasn’t actually going there.

 

[Nikynoo]

But, as I said, the original article is STILL online. Any breach of rules would have seen it removed.

Is this the Irvine Times article?

 

[NoneSpringsToMind]

I’ve been given a lift before by a police officer. Granted it was a female uniformed police officer in a marked police vehicle (I wasn’t being arrested or anything). I don’t think we can rule it as something that never happens MOO

I’ve been wondering if he could have stopped her, shown his warrant card and said they’ve had a report of a man harassing/exposing himself to women in the area and that she wasn’t safe to be waking home so suggested he give her a lift home.

JMO

 

[LeopardLeotard]

@LeopardLeotard do you think maybe they asked the question just to cover all bases? Like they don't think she has been there but they have to ask the question incase it comes out later that they didn't even ask.

I was in a care accident once and the people asked if my dad was holding my baby brother whilst driving. They pretty much stated "you were holding the baby at the time weren't you?". I was only a kid and horrified that they would think that. My dad said it was because they wanted to find out as quickly as possible who was where in the vehicle, it was part of the way they were questioning to get the info they needed. JMO

They asked different things but went back to 5th March x

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Is this the Irvine Times article?

Yes.

 

[Commoner]

Just back from a quiet, respectful and socially diatanced walk to Clapham Common Bandstand.

It was increasingly busy. Our community is hurting. Women, men, and families present, though dominantly pairs of women.

Significant but respectful police presence (from what I saw), all LE in groups of three, which was interesting as it may be a directive for specific types of events.

100s of people, all in masks, social distancing not bad (a few busier parts).

Lots of press.

We had to do SOMETHING, staying at home when both the abduction and the vigil were so close felt wrong.

I was there too

The first part was the local community standing united. And needed no policing (I saw only one pair of coppers and one pair of CSOs) and recognised loads of people in the (well spaced) crowd

Unfortunately, by the time I was leaving the mood was turning, and the crowd chants (led from people on the bandstand itself) had moved on from 'sisters, united, will never be defeated' to 'kill the pig' and people were still arriving (and the area right by the bandstand was rammed at that point)

Looking online, I see the police started to move in about 10mins after I left

 

[BrianJohnson]

Was anything more said about that abandoned police station with the open door?

Sounded like sort of place he would take her “Get in the car I am arresting you for breaking lockdown, we are going to the station”, drives couple of miles to old police station, she thinks nothing of it, only when they pull up to station does she realise something wrong...

 

[Mr. Moon]

The press note, ‘ What is alleged, what the press heard, was scary’, makes me think that the abduction is possibly more outrageously brazen than we can logically comprehend.

A lot of discussion on here, and quite rightly, has been trying to rationalise this seemingly fleeting moment. I do wonder if this is one of those astronomically rare instances where something usually saved for a TV drama has occurred through sheer chance.

JMO. It may of course relate to what was undoubtedly a very bleak few hours beyond that.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

My thought is that he went home but left for work again knowing he wasn’t actually going there.

Left for work, you mean telling the wife that? But wouldn't she have known he was on leave after the end of that shift?