Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #12

[Alethea]

Also note that the investigators were likely given the brands and sizes of the clothes Sarah was wearing so they could rule things out that may look right to you on a video but in reality are the wrong brand or size.

 

[DanceCard]

@DanceCard Thank you!!!

The police can retain DNA samples taken from anyone who has been arrested even if the suspect isn't charged with an offence.
This caused some controversy when the law was changed to allow this, circa 2004. Previously the samples could not be retained if suspect was not charged or was acquitted.

 

[Crimeosaur]

It's a bit different- that sounds opportunistic - there are a couple of pointers that indicate this may have been pre-planned.



Don't think this is confirmed



Still not confirmed as being her clothes, several thought theu didn't look the same

It is not confirmed by any means - I was just wondering to the probability of finding similar items in the location, that is all. May be just a very unfortunate coincidence.

 

[Satchie]

There was a similar case on a Greek island in 2019, where a local man deliberately hit a jogger (a tourist) with his car, so he could kidnap, rape and murder her.

I just think that might damage a brand new white rental, also, vehicle in both cases targeted women along the side of a quiet road, not on a sidewalk.

 

[LeopardLeotard]

If the “he” mentioned in the video was WC they would get him to be specific about which recycling bin and probably even have him identity it on a photo or video of the area. JMO

I did think this, if its been divulged to them where the accused has placed items then them placing them to the side while they keep looking doesn't seem far fetched,they are looking for particular things,not really the paper etc, if it was only DNA tying him to anything in that bin surely every single thing coming out would be bagged? x

 

[ashford5]

At around 15 seconds on this video LE can be heard saying “He said recycling though didn’t he, so I’m guessing” then trails off.

I wonder if that means WC has been speaking. Or if they’re referring to instructions?

let me know if not allowed and will delete.

They’re are clearly checking clothes for tears at arms and also for missing buttons (the teal blouse for example).

That doesn’t make sense if they’re looking for Sarah’s clothes. We know what she was wearing.

The police woman I think is referring to instructions when she mentions recycling.

 

[OzzieLondoner]

The both doors open on car seem odd.. all I can think is she possibly tried to escape and the accused ran after her and got her back in the car.. and put her in the back seats to avoid escape again.. again if I saw this I would presume domestic.
Just a thought, maybe he stopped her to ask why she is walking the streets alone on a dark night in what is known as a potentially dangerous area.. with the flashing lights, he may have suggested she sit in the back (for her to feel safer) and give her a lift home..



We aren't going to find much more else out now until it's all over.

That poor poor girl.. I can't get her out my head. That seconds either way she could have still been here and we would have never known how close she came to dying.. unfortunately she wasn't lucky. Doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[DetectiveSophia]

Something I’ve been wondering is where the dashcam on the bus is and thus a) what direction the bus was going in, b) what side of the road the car was on. Also, how ‘wide’ are the pictures? In other words would the pictures show the road/pavement only? Not sure I’ve seen any discussion of this, just that the car etc was seen on two bus dash cams.

 

[WildIsTheWind]

It is not confirmed by any means - I was just wondering to the probability of finding similar items in the location, that is all. May be just a very unfortunate coincidence.

Call me crazy, but my first thought when reading about those clothes taken out of the bin has been it may have been someone just trying to funny. With this I mean that I find it unlikely that a recycling bin wouldn't have been emptied in almost two weeks. I can see some very nasty people putting similar clothes there and then calling LE to say they have seen clothes like Sarah's in a recycling bin just to mess with the investigation.

Also, in my area of London, bin men look inside the recycling bins on the pick up day and if they are contaminated (that is with rubbish or items not for recycling) they leave them there for the rubbish collection truck to take them.

 

[Mrs Marple]

Hello, @OzzieLondoner if you make sure your comment is outside the square brackets it will be separate and we can distinguish it from the quote.

 

[RexLuther]

Evening update from Kent Online.
PC guarding site where Sarah's body was found 'sent vile WhatsApp about death'

Their video in the article is from an independent source.

 

[smucklecrumble]

Something I’ve been wondering is where the dashcam on the bus is and thus a) what direction the bus was going in, b) what side of the road the car was on. Also, how ‘wide’ are the pictures? In other words would the pictures show the road/pavement only? Not sure I’ve seen any discussion of this, just that the car etc was seen on two bus dash cams.

This link may help.
EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT BUS CCTV

there’s a diagram if you scroll down the page which shows range and placement of cameras and also photos of what each camera style and placement may show at the bottom of the page.

 

[ashford5]

Evening update from Kent Online.
PC guarding site where Sarah's body was found 'sent vile WhatsApp about death'

Their video in the article is from an independent source.

Yes they seem to have bought UKNIP’s videos and edited into a shorter version.

 

[Merpedy]

Evening update from Kent Online.
PC guarding site where Sarah's body was found 'sent vile WhatsApp about death'

Their video in the article is from an independent source.

Could it be possible that they have tracked where the suspect went after the events and are now checking along the paths?
Checking bins seems like a very normal thing when someone goes missing (though I really don't understand why), and I assume if evidence may have been in said bins
Though surely public bins would have been emptied by now anyway

 

[catchingdelivery]

Tweet from Fiona Hamilton, Crime and Security Editor of THE TIMES :

"Watchdog announces an independent investigation into how Wayne Couzens, PC accused of Sarah Everard murder, sustained a "serious" head injury in custody last Wednesday, and a second head injury on Friday"

https://twitter.com/Fhamiltontimes/status/1371548347274833923

If WC is bashing his own head against a wall or surface, how would Police be able to prevent him doing so? It's not practical to have an officer physically stand between him and all the walls around him. What options are available to Police in this instance, could they keep him restrained? Put some sort of helmet on him? Padded cell? Sorry if this sounds ridiculous, I'm just trying to think practically

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Also wouldn't it then be a case of manslaughter as it would presumably be accidental? I feel like it would be in the suspect's best interest to try to paint that picture now rather than waiting for trial, though I suppose you'd not want to admit anything anyway

I was going to say similar. I'm not a legal person but as far as I understand it murder covers situations where you knew your actions could result in someone's death.
Someone who violently attacks and rapes someone for instance should be able to understand these actions could also kill. They do it anyway and that results in murder charges and not manslaughter.

 

[Cambssleuth]

If any crime scene technician found evidence that could be the actual clothes worn by the victim, they would immediately bring them to a clean location to be properly processed and probably immediately notify a superior. They would never, ever throw them on the floor to ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE in further contaminating them. Victim clothes can have perpetrator DNA on them. I promise no tech wants to be the person torn apart on cross examination or be the reason evidence is excluded or suppressed.

I did wonder whether evidence that had been located, dropped and not contained properly would attract a contamination claim. Particularly if recovery had been live streamed? This could affect use in a trial?

Leaves me with two (actually three) main queries:
1. Was the search for something else (ie phone), and something like that (ie clothing) was not still outstanding?
2. This search seems to be being completed in a very public manner - no specific thoughts why, just seems strange? No tents, in full view of media?
3. Also, unrelated to search but I’m wondering if the reasons any events that the accused may have participated in prior to SE’s disappearance haven’t been charged/reported?, is to do with the need to not prejudice any following trial. As previous cannot be used? I realise it’s already been reported, but was just thinking that may impact what we are now hearing?

Anyway, all MOO

 

[Commoner]

I did wonder this too, but also he could have deliberately hit her?

We talked a lot about this in earlier threads.

Locals (me included) were wholly sceptical of the idea that you could run over a pedestrian (mount pavement? there's no reason for her to cross) and then stop on the main London inner ring road (red route, no stopping, single carriageway). It's quieter than it used to be, but that's not quiet quiet IYSWIM - it's a steady stream of waves of vehicles (waves because you get a load over when the light is green, then pause, then the next lot) in both directions

 

[sarahboirin]

If WC is bashing his own head against a wall or surface, how would Police be able to prevent him doing so? It's not practical to have an officer physically stand between him and all the walls around him. What options are available to Police in this instance, could they keep him restrained? Put some sort of helmet on him? Padded cell? Sorry if this sounds ridiculous, I'm just trying to think practically

LE will have risk assessment and procedures for dealing with violence, restraint, claustrophobia etc

 

[RexLuther]

Could it be possible that they have tracked where the suspect went after the events and are now checking along the paths?
Checking bins seems like a very normal thing when someone goes missing (though I really don't understand why), and I assume if evidence may have been in said bins
Though surely public bins would have been emptied by now anyway

Yes either through cctv, anpr, phone location, gps. Strange to dump something in a bin/river in a small town though when the coast is very close. Large recycling bins are sometimes not emptied for weeks. IMOs.