Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #12

[MsMiniSleuth]

I thought the tent would be more of a centre/control point to document / photograph anything they find.
Courtesy / Credit to @uknip24
View attachment 288863

What is UKNip24? Are they MSM? Can't use here if not.

EDIT: They aren't. They are same as the Kent ones and not to be used here as breaks WS TOS. Best to delete.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

This might be of interest, as many seem to have heard of 'fight or flight' but not the other natural responses you can have to violence.

'Fight or flight' response | Rape Crisis England & Wales


"'Fight or flight' response

The 'fight or flight' response is how people sometimes refer to our body's automatic reactions to fear. There are actually 5 of these common responses, including 'freeze', 'flop' and 'friend', as well as 'fight' or 'flight'.
The freeze, flop, friend, fight or flight reactions are immediate, automatic and instinctive responses to fear. Understanding them a little might help you make sense of your experiences and feelings.

• Fight: physically fighting, pushing, struggling, and fighting verbally e.g. saying 'no'.
• Flight: putting distance between you and danger, including running, hiding or backing away.
• Freeze: going tense, still and silent. This is a common reaction to rape and sexual violence. Freezing is not giving consent, it is an instinctive survival response. Animals often freeze to avoid fights and potential further harm, or to 'play dead' and so avoid being seen and eaten by predators.
• Flop: similar to freezing, except your muscles become loose and your body goes floppy. This is an automatic reaction that can reduce the physical pain of what's happening to you. Your mind can also shut down to protect itself.
• Friend: calling for a 'friend' or bystander for help, for example by shouting or screaming, and/or 'befriending' the person who is dangerous, for example by placating, negotiating, bribing or pleading with them. Again, this is not you giving your attacker consent, it is an instinctive survival mechanism.
• "

 

[juniper6]

Yip, this is the part that doesn’t make sense, if it was me I’d be kicking, banging, screaming... unless knocked unconscious but someone before said even if she was knocked unconscious it would only be for a few mins. But if she wasn’t in the boot and she was in the front or back seat, again why would she not scream and bang on the windows?

Editing to ask - how long would it take to get out of London, to get away from traffic lights and necessary stops, before you are on the motorway?

Roughly an hour. And ironically it’s right past the IE McDonald’s.

 

[PorfiryPetrovitch]

On the theory that the car was parked across the pavement on the exit of Poynders Court, there is a CCTV camera pointing almost exactly at that spot:




Google Maps Link

 

[jenpil]

Tbh police forces are so understaffed these days borrowing resources from another force isn't a rare thing. But now you've said that, and with the knowledge that there are tunnels etc locally, you've really got my mind churning!

Devon and Cornwall is a long way to bring in police diving resources from, as Kent have their own. But as someone said, it could be that all Kent's are busy elsewhere...or that Devon and Cornwall's unit have a specialist interest team on theirs (tunnels, potholes, caverns) etc.

 

[Blackpool100]

But surely they'd be searching in hundreds of locations if they searched every place the cars have been spotted?
They surely must have good reason to be searching this location in Sandwich more than 'the car has been seen here'? And how would anyone know it was one of his cars anyway?
I wonder if a member of the public has recognised him and remembers seeing him acting suspiciously in this area and that has been corroborated by CCTV?

Possibly the timings of ANPR pings would indicate if a vehicle had been stationary at a particular location for a period of time
IMO

 

[Wishingwell]

Good point. May have gone round the side away from the road due to traffic - dark - him in waiting, grabs and immobilises her, drags to car (nothing seen from front or road side due to car doors being open).

I agree. I don’t think she would voluntarily get in the car as her family stated. She has also been travelling in the past so I’m guessing she would be pretty savvy in regards to strangers. JMO of course.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

And of course Leah Croucher

I agree, but from his point of view, he's got her in car, why risk her drawing attention, he still hasn't got away with it or done what he's intending to do, he needs to get her to somewhere that he can do this, I cannot see her volunteering to get in re a lift or anything, but would he have wanted her screaming or pleading with him in car whilst he's figuring out what to do next, or if he'd thought it through he would of planned as I suggest to incapacitate her so as to get away from area to commit his fantasy x

No I can't see her volunteering either. I'm thinking he did incapacitate her to some degree, such as a punch or show her a weapon. Then the fear response kicks in. He could drive off pretty quickly, I really don't think any of this would have taken much time, then the car is locked and who is going to hear her if she did shout as he speeds past? It's what muggers do all the time, rely on just blindsiding and shocking someone with a punch or a push to the ground, then they're in shock for a few minutes after.

 

[LeopardLeotard]

Also worth bearing in mind, he trained to be a policeman so would have gone to Hendon?, Buckinghamshire is 50 min (ish) drive north (ish).
It opens up further areas he could have explored, I don't think we can rule out other missing people from the greater London area, or specifically the south east of England, purely thinking about other missing women x

 

[juniper6]

It’s states in the article that Scotland Yard has asked for assistance across London and Kent. So basically all councils are running the number plates to see if anything pops up IMO.

 

[lalalemon]

Possibly the timings of ANPR pings would indicate if a vehicle had been stationary at a particular location for a period of time
IMO

Is there likely to be an ANPR camera in the car park of Sandwich Coop?

 

[Audiohoney]

It’s states in the article that Scotland Yard has asked for assistance across London and Kent. So basically all councils are running the number plates to see if anything pops up IMO.

I’d understand that on ANPR. But are council car park cameras savvy enough tech wise to automatically scan plates? Surely they can’t have had somebody sitting there manually scrolling through days of footage in case they see him? If the number plate recognition was automatic .. how has it taken so long? IMO.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Police search supermarket car park in Sarah Everard investigation

Large portions of the historic town remained cordoned off with police tape on Monday afternoon as inquiries into the death of the 33-year-old continue.

On Monday, officers used sticks to search through a shopping trolley shelter outside a Co-operative supermarket, while others looked under vehicles.

At the edge of the cordon, a few officers gathered for discussion as one showed their colleagues a piece of gold jewellery that was then put in an evidence bag.

Police search supermarket car park in Sarah Everard investigation

 

[asyousay]

On the theory that the car was parked across the pavement on the exit of Poynders Court, there is a CCTV camera pointing almost exactly at that spot:

View attachment 288865
View attachment 288869

Google Maps Link

Yep and no mention of that in the court documents if this was the spot he pulled over into.

 

[Stella123]

On the theory that the car was parked across the pavement on the exit of Poynders Court, there is a CCTV camera pointing almost exactly at that spot:

View attachment 288865
View attachment 288869

Google Maps Link

Interesting - you would think something would be captured on those then. Unless she was dragged into the doorwell of the flats? But timing maybe doesn't work with that. We know there was about 3 mins between the two spottings of the car on cam. But we don't know how long the car was still there after the second recording. Assume not long or another cam would have spotted it. MOO, speculation.

 

[Fiercelobster]

Roughly an hour. And ironically it’s right past the IE McDonald’s.

Is there confirmation of which McDonald's the IE incidents took place at now? I had only seen South London up to now.

 

[infinit]

No I can't see her volunteering either. I'm thinking he did incapacitate her to some degree, such as a punch or show her a weapon. Then the fear response kicks in. He could drive off pretty quickly, I really don't think any of this would have taken much time, then the car is locked and who is going to hear her if she did shout as he speeds past? It's what muggers do all the time, rely on just blindsiding and shocking someone with a punch or a push to the ground, then they're in shock for a few minutes after.

I think she had to be atleast immobilised in the car. However doesn't mean that was at Pontyers I guess. Even if you put someone in a boot not restained - Most in the UK have a plastic boot lid I think you'd be able to kick off and then potentially be able to kick the boot window out.

Again if she's on the back seats unrestrained he's going to have a hell of a time trying to drive such a distance.

 

[PorfiryPetrovitch]

Apologies if already posted but I saw this just now, apparently gold jewellery found and some pictures of searches in Sandwich

Police probing Sarah Everard's murder find piece of gold jewellery as divers search river | Daily Mail Online

That article has a good example how MSM can make up sources to say what they want to say. Here's what I mean

An onlooker told MailOnline: ‘The main car park area is closed and they have closed the whole of the ropewalk area.

‘They look like they are going to look in the recycling bins. It's understood police have still have not found Sarah’s phone, so the talk here is that the phone is what they are looking for.

How convenient for the Daily Mail that this onlooker said exactly those words in a way that has all the information and helps sow the narrative of what's going on. Including saying things like "It's understood Police have..." no onlooker would talk like that

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Police probing Sarah Everard's murder find piece of gold jewellery

 

[infinit]

Police probing Sarah Everard's murder find piece of gold jewellery

What on earth has he been doing...