Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #13

[Skigh]

Unlikely, probably just giving brief background of his time with MPS. Bromley has been mentioned before, it isn't new.

Not new information,but it does bring it to the forefront of people's minds.

Also could be new to the reading public who have not taken the same interest in the case as we have here.


The press cannot state a link,but they can get around it ,by printing other articles.

 

[Parker Knoll]

You are not going to get lucky, as such. You are only going to get a proven legal representative who is recognised as a leader in that area of law, given you are always going to get a QC for a murder charge. The Bar is pretty specialised. Even a junior barrister nowadays is likely to be specialist in just one area of law. A Clerk will allocate QC and they are not going to allocate a QC who specialises in family law to a murder case. If they did (never gonna happen, but lets say they did) then the QC could refuse it on the basis of not having the specialist knowledge.

JMO.

Correct - When a junior barrister has completed pupilage which is 12 months before getting an offer of tenancy in chambers, (sometimes they “ squat “ in chambers but lets not get into that as it’s not relevant here) and is made a tenant in chambers they will if they are in a common law set made up of barristers doing all kinds of cases criminal/civil/ family do bits of everything at first. They usually know early on which they want to specialise in but there are barristers that may do a murder one week and a a completely different area of law case the following. They do exist.
If you are legally aided you do get what you are given to a degree however if privately funded you take your pick as it is totally your choice. That is what you are paying for.

 

[Amax]

Swaying to and fro
Head banging
Asking to give up his firearm

All after the event

Looks to me as though he is building a case for diminished responsibility (insanity)

IMO

Sometimes this is not so good of an idea. With a murder conviction you will get a tariff after which you may be eligible for parole. With DR your detention can be indefinite meaning no right to parole.

 

[Skigh]

Sometimes this is not so good of an idea. With a murder conviction you will get a tariff after which you may be eligible for parole. With DR your detention can be indefinite meaning no right to parole.

I think some convicts would prefer to be in a secure hospital rather than in jail.

 

[Blanche]

You are both correct. You can choose who to instruct to act for you, yes. But you can also be appointed a QC by the state and that operates on a cab rank rule, which means outside of certain caveats a client cannot be refused. So, if you are allocated to a case you cannot turn it down theoretically.

What you are both saying does not contradict.

What this of course means is that those who can afford representation outside of legal aid have their pick of the QCs, whereas those on legal aid only have the option of who is appointed to them.

JMO, as ever.

it is not my understanding that if you are on legal aid on a charge of murder you are "appointed " one, they still get to choose a lawyer from those who undertake legal aid work it is not like in the US where they are allocated a public defender,

 

[Blanche]

I think some convicts would prefer to be in a secure hospital rather than in jail.

a choice between two kinds of "hell" JMO

 

[asyousay]

Sometimes this is not so good of an idea. With a murder conviction you will get a tariff after which you may be eligible for parole. With DR your detention can be indefinite meaning no right to parole.

He is nearly 50 years of age so if he got say 20 years then his life is over anyway practically. So a nice hospital would be better then 20 years in Jail and the fear of revenge attacks on top as he isn’t going to Mr Popular in jail.


All the signs point to some kind of diminished responsibility claim as why else did he rock to and fro this morning? It’s quite clear the game that he is playing with the head injuries and add in this morning.Oh and the work emails claiming he was suffering with stress.


Moo

 

[Blanche]

Sometimes this is not so good of an idea. With a murder conviction you will get a tariff after which you may be eligible for parole. With DR your detention can be indefinite meaning no right to parole.

what are you referring to with DR? do you mean if they are committed to a secure hospital? because if so they will have the right to have that reviewed by a MHRT

 

[KensingtonandChelsea]

it is not my understanding that if you are on legal aid on a charge of murder you are "appointed " one, they still get to choose a lawyer from those who undertake legal aid work it is not like in the US where they are allocated a public defender,

The instructing solicitor will pick a QC to instruct on behalf of the client. Mostly the client trusts the solicitor to know who to instruct.

 

[Sherlockhames]

it is not my understanding that if you are on legal aid on a charge of murder you are "appointed " one, they still get to choose a lawyer from those who undertake legal aid work it is not like in the US where they are allocated a public defender,

I think the key is - you are “allocated” a duty solicitor, you could always appoint your own or another if you want/know who to speak to. Your solicitor, based on the charges/your defence will then select an appropriate barrister on your behalf. In reality the defendant is not going to be selecting their own defence barrister (unless they have a lot of experience themselves and know who they want!). Eg if I was accused of a crime I wouldn’t even know where to start working out who would be best to defend me! It’s not something I would leave up to google!

But I would hope that any duty solicitor would. And then, on my behalf, the best barrister for my case is chosen (assuming they are available). I don’t know how this compares to an allocated public defender in the US and how specialised or otherwise they are.

 

[LeopardLeotard]

Are they deliberately mentioning Bromley because of the recent find of bones found in Bromley?

Police investigate as 'human remains' discovered in woodland

Oh no, it certainly sounds that way, why else release that info?... Maybe they are hoping women come forward re flashing or attacks..

 

[Skigh]

That report says "Early indications are that the bones may have been present for a number of years." The accused was only there from Sept 2018. But maybe just want to make it clear where he was and when and that he was not with the Met that long (as in - not a long standing Met officer - distancing?) MOO.

I imagine Sarah's family and friends are absolutely distraught about her name being used in this way.

This is not what Sarah would have wanted

 

[Parker Knoll]

The instructing solicitor will pick a QC to instruct on behalf of the client. Mostly the client trusts the solicitor to know who to instruct.

Agreed - I found that it was usually gang members that would specify to the Sol who they wanted in court to represent them if possible for trial .... it usually went along the lines of “ Mr X/ Miss X got my mate off such and such so get him.

 

[Stella123]

"Judge Mark Lucraft QC, sitting at the Old Bailey in central London, scheduled the trial for 25 October.

Couzens, wearing a maroon sweatshirt and grey bottoms, listened at the 20-minute hearing, speaking only to confirm his name and date of birth. On the centre of his forehead was a scab from a wound."

"Prosecutor Tom Little QC said the evidence that the crown would present in the case followed a “wide-ranging investigation” by police."


Wayne Couzens to go on trial in autumn accused of murdering Sarah Everard

 

[Stella123]

I imagine Sarah's family and friends are absolutely distraught about her name being used in this way.

This is not what Sarah would have wanted

I apologise and agree and was just pointing out that the linked article about the discovery in Birmingham from the OP was unlikely to be related to the Met statement info referred to - so speculation didn't proliferate x

 

[Cheese13]

As a serving officer, wouldn't he have had to go through mental checks anyway?

It seems unlikely he could go from a serving officer to pleading insanity within a week.

Does seem like clear gaming of the system.

 

[Jamie737]

I have no doubt he is actually severely distressed at having been 'found out' as it were. It does sound as if he has been projecting an image of steady dependability as a family man for his 48 years.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Divers were seen heading towards Sandwich town centre and were lowered into a stretch of water before slowly progressing down the river during a forensic search.
Divers from Devon and Cornwall Police assist Sarah Everard investigation | ITV News

 

[asyousay]

@ asyousay 'he is nearly 50 years of age so if he got say 20 years then his life is over anyway practically'.
I was already feeling glum today and that assessment of life beyond 70 has been a reminder of how others see us. Like those leaflets about planning for your funeral that come through your door just when you could do with cheering up!

Sorry I just say the same to my parents who had me late in life . I didn’t mean anything by it just being in jail until your 70 isn’t the same as getting out your when 40

 

[asyousay]

As a serving officer, wouldn't he have had to go through mental checks anyway?

It seems unlikely he could go from a serving officer to pleading insanity within a week.

Does seem like clear gaming of the system.

Yes he carried a gun and had a high pressured job so surely if he had months of claiming stress and asking for his weapon to be taken away he wouldn’t of been working at that stage anyway?