Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #13

[LeopardLeotard]

They can also, if abused, cause impotence, or troubles thereof.

Although it would be inappropriate to suggest that WC was taking steroids, I can think of things to say on this idea. It is known that steroids are commonly used (in this country, the US) by men who want to further buildup their musculature. Further, there have been persistent rumors that police have a high incidence of use (again in my country). Often they will seem rather well-built. Steroids also do increase appetite, so some men may exhibit weight gain as well. Steroids have also been attributed to aggressive behavior (aka ‘roid rage’), and this behavior can come on in an otherwise formerly mild mannered person.
I think there are many parallels there, and it remains a theory I have been entertaining.

 

[LeopardLeotard]

Apologies for including previous post x

 

[SuziQ]

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Those were my thoughts too. If the body was burned or incomplete, that would also explain why they couldn‘t use fingerprints for identification.

What is more, as horrible as it sounds, carrying the whole body in the bag through the woods would be heavy and suspicious to others. So he might have separated body parts and dumped the others in the river.

While this might be true, the term remains is not indicative of the condition of the body. It is a term used by professionals in forensics, LE, or the courts.

 

[Sherlockhames]

Based on how quickly everything unravelled, I'd say he's definitely not even close to being a criminal mastermind.

Yup! Momentarily, perhaps, remembered to remove her phone from the equation, but completely disregarded cctv/potential car tracking and his own phone movements - either through arrogance (I won’t get caught) or more likely stupidity (so just didn’t think how bad all of this would look once he did get caught).

Just occurred to me they might be trying to find the phone to see if forensic analysis can prove whether it was switched off at the point of her kidnap or ran out battery - IIRC this hasn’t been confirmed by the police. So if they genuinely don’t know that would be another damning piece of evidence of it was switched off at a time corresponding to the cctv we have heard they allegedly have of her on Poynders Road. (Not sure whether this could be determined if it has been in water. Anyone know?)

 

[SuziQ]

WARNING: JMO: A grim thought: Did WC use acid from the car batteries to dispose of the body? After all, he worked in the car garage.

I guess anything our imagination can drag up is possible. We do not know enough to even guess do we?

 

[Skigh]

Hes not very intelligent if he's thrown it in where they are searching imo. I'd say that most people are aware what can be extracted from a phone these days. It would have been much better to destroy it totally and scatter in a larger area and he lives on the coast that would be a more obvious choice imo ( and less like to be caught on cctv). Maybe he isn't the criminal mastermind I thought he could be. What if it is a weapon they are seeking , its much harder to destroy a weapon imo.

I agree with you about the phone,he had plenty of time to hammer it to smithereens. I would be surprised if he would have discarded an intact phone rather than pieces of it .

I just find it an odd place to throw anything away given the number of cctv cameras around when there are wide areas of open spaces miles from anywhere.

 

[Urbanfox1]

I find your characterisation from a court drawing quite strange. 'sad' and 'guilty' could also be 'feeling sorry for self' and 'regretting getting caught'

Of course accused is accused and not guilty until proven so but I agree with you . Narcissists often IMO act extremely penitent when they get caught and people interpret that as remorse but it’s mortification that all the things they prided themselves on have gone as but what they’re really feeling Is only self pity. MOO

 

[PomPom123]

We can’t offer our services. Solicitors contact us and instruct us on behalf of our lay clients and if our schedules and ethical considerations allow, we must accept. We can’t pick and choose who we represent.

When you say 'ethical considerations' do you mean a barrister could refuse to represent someone like the accused on moral grounds?

 

[outrex_05]

WRT the iPhone....if it was discarded into a body of water it will surely be damaged beyond repair at this point. iPhones are only water resistant at a certain depth and for a specific length of time only. They’re not waterproof so I’m curious as to what may be able to be recovered if it does turn up with significant water damage. MOO

You'd be surprised.. if it was turned off when it was thrown into the water, and then is completely dried before attempting any data recovery, it might be possible

 

[PomPom123]

Photograph: Family Handout/PA

Why are women so angry after the killing of Sarah Everard?
''Everard’s killing has led many people to speak out about an endemic culture of harassment, abuse and violence against women in the UK, with some choosing to share their own experiences to highlight how frequently it occurs and how rarely they are taken seriously. According to a report released last week, almost every young woman in the UK has experienced sexual harassment of some form.''

It may sound weird but this helps me make sense of the appalling things that have happened to me and know not to take them personally as they literally happen to all of us.

 

[BryterLayter]

I wondered this so checked trusty ole google lol.
How to Track Phone Without a Sim Card (5 Simple Ways) | My Phone Locater

Will Installing a New SIM Card Delete My Information?

I think these two cover it. The phone itself stored the data. So they’ll likely still see text messages and calls but with the number instead of the contact name that may have been saved on the sim. MOO

If it’s an iPhone you can’t save anything to the SIM and they don’t have an SD card, it’s all internal memory.
If they can’t guess the passcode I think there is an Israeli company called Celebrite that can sometimes get in, or if the phone is critical to the case then the Police may ask Apple for access, not 100 percent this is totally correct but not far off.
Remember there are many ways to communicate between people secretly on a modern smart phone you can use applications like signal, telegram all with the ability to lock the separate app down within the actual phone so you can only access messages with your own face ID or a passcode so if someone wanted to communicate without anybody finding out you can do that and that might make it tricky if the police did get into the phone, apps like signal you can even set up to auto delete the messages after so many minutes hours or days. IMO
I’ve not used these features as I’ve got nothing to hide but there are many ways to communicate securely if you want to and across platforms too like between Android and Apple.
So even if you could get into the phone there could be more hurdles inside.
Re Location data - it all depends what’s turned on or off in the phone.

 

[BellMat]

That's not to say at the time of the offence the suspect wasn't in some way lacking capacity, I just don't believe, having seen his history that he was mentally unwell and not aware of what he was doing. By all things he was a happily married man, who held down a high ranking job and this is a shocking not in his character thing to have happened.

MOO of course.

Reportedly, the accused was off work quite a lot over the past year. No doubt there is a record of the reasons given for this sick leave?

I don't mention this to excuse anything, just to point out that deteriorating mental health may genuinely be a factor. MOO but I don't think his self-harm in custody or demeanour in court is some kind of devious performance.

At the same time, his alleged actions after the crime don't indicate a lack of awareness of what he was doing. Indeed an awareness of the magnitude of the crime may be contributing to his current mental state.

I really don't know exactly what the bar is for "diminished capacity." I imagine a decent defence lawyer will explore the approach, though, should he plead not guilty.

 

[Alethea]

The message was ‘Screenshot not permitted unless accompanied by a MSM link’. The MSM are unlikely to link to academic journals - but perhaps if there is no screenshot (which showed the academic publishing citation, sigh) we are OK.

I know it is confusing but you need to link to the source where you found the paper so others can read the entire paper, not just the screenshot. Ignore the part about MSM in the warning. If you find a paper on PubMed, you link to the paper on PubMed. I link to Law Journal articles all the time and it has never been a problem as long as you are linking to the reliable source that includes the paper. Google Scholar, PubMed, JSTOR, anything with a public link.

 

[frostyfox]

I find his actions even stranger now. Because working until 8pm in Nine Elms would make perfect logical sense on the route he would take out of London and he would of passed her at some stage.


Now we have a entire day unaccounted for it seems.

Probably went somewhere local to sleep, freshen-up and eat (makes sense after a long night shift), then could've gone out and about on the prowl around Clapham Common or near-by during the day? Hence the deep interest by LE searching the Common even after they'd confirmed last known sighting/position of SE being way past there on Poynders. Suspect may have spotted her earlier on in the evening and been tracking her? (just my thoughts) LE will most likely know his movements that day, might be inc in the evidence? moo

 

[elmomom]

The message was ‘Screenshot not permitted unless accompanied by a MSM link’. The MSM are unlikely to link to academic journals - but perhaps if there is no screenshot (which showed the academic publishing citation, sigh) we are OK.

I think the mod meant a link to the source - not MSM. They are spread really thin, and probably write things by rote. This is just how I would have interpreted it, but, again, if you have a question you really should message a moderator and not discuss it on the forum.

 

[Tealgrove]

Officers in the Sarah Everard murder case were this morning dredging drains.


Beth Robson, reporter at the scene, observed them using a machine and scouring through the sludge once it was brought up.

This was at the Guildhall car park in Cattle Market.

Ms Robson said this morning: "They are lifting drain covers, pulling up everything inside and combing it finely to look for any clues."

Officers were particularly centred around Millwall, a pathed area surrounding a stream,and all its entrances and members of the public were being turned away from there.

Ms Robson added: "There has been a dredger arrived and I wonder if that has been used to dredge part of the stream or not been needed."


Search teams dredge drains in Sarah probe

Hmmm....

Sounds like they are searching for something extremely important to put all this effort and manpower into it.

MOO

 

[frostyfox]

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Those were my thoughts too. If the body was burned or incomplete, that would also explain why they couldn‘t use fingerprints for identification.

What is more, as horrible as it sounds, carrying the whole body in the bag through the woods would be heavy and suspicious to others. So he might have separated body parts and dumped the others in the river.

I'm wondering if the suspect tried to hide the body/remains amongst the fly-tip pile or was the deposition site further in the forest? I can't find the image of the white tent in the woods now, it was an overhead shot on the News. From the released film/pics on MSM it looks like the fly-tipping area is close to a road and not too far in the wood, easily accessible with vehicle, any onlooker would think just another fly-tipper, also if the suspect tried to burn a body so close to the fly-tip pile, big risk of it all catching/causing a huge forest fire? Just my own thoughts.

 

[BryterLayter]

This is an interesting read re getting access to data from phones,

The Police Can Probably Break Into Your Phone

 

[smucklecrumble]

Reportedly, the accused was off work quite a lot over the past year. No doubt there is a record of the reasons given for this sick leave?

I don't mention this to excuse anything, just to point out that deteriorating mental health may genuinely be a factor. MOO but I don't think his self-harm in custody or demeanour in court is some kind of devious performance.

At the same time, his alleged actions after the crime don't indicate a lack of awareness of what he was doing. Indeed an awareness of the magnitude of the crime may be contributing to his current mental state.

I really don't know exactly what the bar is for "diminished capacity." I imagine a decent defence lawyer will explore the approach, though, should he plead not guilty.

I guess some of it may have been compassionate leave MOO

 

[Stella123]

I've stopped following these threads due to the bickering and constant TOS violations that keep seeing the thread shut down...


Please could someone update me with any new information gained in the last few threads. I was up to date until he was charged....and then all hell broke loose on here!

This says most of it

UPDATED: Sarah Everard murder: Police officer appears at Old Bailey via video link

Some artist drawings of video hearing in DM plus info about further searches in Sandwich, Kent, and divers involved.

Police officer accused of kidnapping and murdering Sarah Everard finished his shift in the morning | Daily Mail Online