Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #14

[asyousay]

From the crime editor at The Times:

This is not the full story on Wayne Couzens. Met police face serious questions re vetting + whether he could have been stopped over earlier, low level crimes. They’ve refused to comment so far citing contempt risk, but that’s gone now. Will we have transparency + accountability?
https://twitter.com/Fhamiltontimes/status/1413443809115983873

I hope the Met are held accountable as there must of been signs. He didn’t wake up one day and decide to do this clearly.


IMO

 

[proclee]

I wonder if any sex workers who have had encounters with him are likely to come forward and provide information to how he behaved. Although judging by his make believe tale regarding Romanian gangs it seems likely he was using brothel’s containing trafficked girls who unfortunately are unlikely to ever have a voice to be heard.

 

[jimbob5]

Wow, amazing detective work by the Met and the Specialist Crime Unit. He didn't make it as difficult for them as he could have, with what seems like a deluge of small mistakes, but the speed with which they joined the dots is very impressive imo.

They threw everything they had at it, just like the woman who got murdered in the woods. The number of cops crawling over both sites we were seeing on the news every day looking for physical evidence was insane & you can bet there were so many more behind the scenes pulling & viewing every piece of CCTV imaginable for digital evidence.

 

[jimbob5]

What??? I have no words I would like to see the officers' faces when he was spouting this nonsense. I wouldnt be able to keep my face straight but they had to remain poker faced. I mean it is a level of a 5 year old trying to lie himself out of trouble. What a monster!!! RIP sweet Sarah - at least you are now free of the torment this beast put You through

Not an unfamiliar concoction. There was one halfwit who killed a young woman with mental health issues a few years back, after she had wandered out of her mental health facility-she had a habit of doing this, she went with him somewhere to smoke some weed he had, where he killed her & he tried to claim some drug dealing gangsters killed her & them made him put her body in his car boot & set it on fire!

 

[Sherlockhames]

Not an unfamiliar concoction. There was one halfwit who killed a young woman with mental health issues a few years back, after she had wandered out of her mental health facility-she had a habit of doing this, she went with him somewhere to smoke some weed he had, where he killed her & he tried to claim some drug dealing gangsters killed her & them made him put her body in his car boot & set it on fire!

Also - I imagine there is maybe quite a back story in terms of his meetings with sex-workers. So part of that story might have elements of truth which is how he alighted upon it as his possible defence.

Interesting that while he is expressing remorse via his lawyer, he has not told the full story of that he did. Maybe it is too horrific for him to even come to terms with yet.
Not that it will make a difference at this stage. I cannot see a scenario in which is he ever allowed out of prison. Whole life tariff for pre-meditation, murder, body concealment.

There must also have been some evidence of rape for that to have been added to the charge sheet (unless with all the pre-mediation that was proven he felt he had to confess to that as being his ultimate aim rather than murder. Either way - he did it all. And the burning of the body, which I always somehow suspected, is heinous. I wonder if that was all pre-planned too. I presume it must have been).

 

[jimbob5]

I hope the Met are held accountable as there must of been signs. He didn’t wake up one day and decide to do this clearly.


IMO

He was already being investigated for sexual assault allegations, but was still working. Scotland Yard screwed up big-that is why they threw everything they had at it.

 

[Alyce]

i didn't know he had hired the car 3 days before and bought the builders bag in preperation. It was all very premeditated. Plus was he just driving around from 7am until 9pm that night looking for the perfect target? What did he do in that time frame?

He finished work at 7am in London, collected the car at 16.45 hrs in Dover. Then went back to London and began the driving around.

 

[jimbob5]

Also - I imagine there is maybe quite a back story in terms of his meetings with prostitutes. So part of that story might have elements of truth which is how he alighted upon it as his possible defence.

Interesting that while he is expressing remorse via his lawyer, he has not told the full story of that he did. Maybe it is too horrific for him to even come to terms with yet.
Not that it will make a difference at this stage. I cannot see a scenario in which is he ever allowed out of prison. Whole life tariff for pre-meditation, murder, body concealment.

There must also have been some evidence of rape for that to have been added to the charge sheet (unless with all the pre-mediation that was proven he felt he had to confess to that as being his ultimate aim rather than murder. Either way - he did it all. And the burning of the body, which I always somehow suspected, is heinous. I wonder if that was all pre-planned too. I presume it must have been).

Yes, he was already under investigation for alleged sex assaults as well. No doubt the burning was at least in part to destroy any evidence of a sex assault/rape.

 

[Alyce]

Prosecution clarifed that Wayne Couzens had not previously met Sarah Everard - he did not know her, they were complete strangers when he kidnapped, raped and murdered herProsecution say scientific evaluation of Wayne Couzen’s vehicle is underway to determine where Sarah Everard was raped and murdered - as this will affect sentencing. Despite pleading guilty, he has never revealed the truth.Defence lawyer says Wayne Couzens feels “true and genuine guilt” and will feel remorse for rest of his life, “I deserve it” he told his lawyer. “He’s not sorry for himself - he’s sorry for what he’s done”

https://twitter.com/BeccaBarry/

If he felt true and genuine guilt then surely he would reveal the truth....

just sorry for himself imo

 

[Lucy6226]

Sex workers not prostitutes. JMO

 

[proclee]

He finished work at 7am in London, collected the car at 16.45 hrs in Dover. Then went back to London and began the driving around.

Makes you wonder why London? Probably the most CCTV covered place in the entire country. There are so many places between Dover & London where there would’ve been plenty of women walking home. But he chose to drive back to London ???

He also looks so much older in the mugshot posted by the met than any other picture that’s been released so far

 

[infinit]

Makes you wonder why London? Probably the most CCTV covered place in the entire country. There are so many places between Dover & London where there would’ve been plenty of women walking home. But he chose to drive back to London ???

He also looks so much older in the mugshot posted by the met than any other picture that’s been released so far

He did pick an area on the road with no direct CCTV, I don't know if on purpose or by accident, but it's such a main road in London and in 2021 with dash cams etc I just don't understand how he expected it to work. He has to have known what ANPR cameras are and that they're dotted in lots of places. Surely he realised the hire car was going to end up in the net - To hire it in his own name... Even if there wasn't the direct link to that car via the bus cam. For a serving Police Office to not come forward that they were on the street around the time of what was the most talked about crime in the city at the time - He was always going to come into focus.

 

[Nikynoo]

Makes you wonder why London? Probably the most CCTV covered place in the entire country. There are so many places between Dover & London where there would’ve been plenty of women walking home. But he chose to drive back to London ???

He also looks so much older in the mugshot posted by the met than any other picture that’s been released so far

Bad things does that.

 

[arrogantcat]

The speculation by The Times that he used his warrant card and the COVID quarantine regulations to stop her and perhaps convince her into his car makes sense, and is something many suggested here at the time.

What I struggle to understand is how he then managed to immediately disable her phone and (presumably) restrain her enough to drive through London and onwards without anyone noticing anything suspicious.
At some point she would have realised he wasn’t taking her to a station, and begun screaming, banging, grabbing the wheel or *something*, I feel sure, if she could.

So what on earth did he do in those first few minutes he had her in the car?

I’m recalling the extensive search around the flats where she was caught on bus camera, with blue lights and fingertip searching, and wondering if there might be something relevant there.

 

[asyousay]

Maybe he didn’t care about being found out. He just wanted the thrill of doing what he did and to hell with the consequences.

Moo

 

[Vevvie]

Twelve officers investigated by police watchdog over case of Sarah Everard's killer

 

[asyousay]

Couzens, who has been married for 15-years, told police he was a regular user of prostitutes at two hotels in Folkestone, but had been threatened by gangsters after he had underpaid one

As well as hiring the car to snatch her, detectives discovered Couzens had also made a number of purchases on Amazon which pointed to a chilling degree of premeditation.

As a serving police officer he would have been only too aware of the importance of DNA evidence at crime scenes, so he purchased a roll of self adhesive film, advertised as carpet protector, presumably to line the inside of the hire car

Police officer Wayne Couzens admits murdering Sarah Everard

 

[Sherlockhames]

Can anyone on here who knows explain what happens at the sentencing hearing. Does the prosecution’s full narrative of the case get read out? Or does Couzens have to confess or given an account? Or if there no more evidence to be released and the judge sentences on the basis of what has already been revealed in court?

(I’ve seen he hasn’t told the whole story and that police are still trying ascertain, with evidence, exactly when and where she died - is this for the family, or will this go to sentencing? Or is this a nice to have and, ultimately, given the guilty plea and evidence to date he is still likely to get a life sentence with no parole).

 

[infinit]

The speculation by The Times that he used his warrant card and the COVID quarantine regulations to stop her and perhaps convince her into his car makes sense, and is something many suggested here at the time.

What I struggle to understand is how he then managed to immediately disable her phone and (presumably) restrain her enough to drive through London and onwards without anyone noticing anything suspicious.
At some point she would have realised he wasn’t taking her to a station, and begun screaming, banging, grabbing the wheel or *something*, I feel sure, if she could.

So what on earth did he do in those first few minutes he had her in the car?

I’m recalling the extensive search around the flats where she was caught on bus camera, with blue lights and fingertip searching, and wondering if there might be something relevant there.

My guess at the time was it was something like using the warrant card, explain he's off duty but that she's being followed- explain that he's based out of Brixton station or something (further South) and he'll take her there for a statement and to see if there is any CCTV and then get her home. Therefore she'd potentially be fairly relaxed for some time into the journey.

 

[SmallNut]

According to this there were allegations against him for indecent exposure in 2015!

Police ‘failed to investigate Sarah Everard’s murderer Wayne Couzens for indecent exposure in 2015’

If this is the case I worry that he has a long and disturbing backstory.