UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #7

[rls11]

Same.

She was not breaking any laws by being outside. Therefore wouldn’t accept arrest.

She wasn’t far from home to accept a lift.

If I had any interaction with an officer it would be a discussion on exactly what I had done wrong and the first thing I’d do is whatsapp a friend or call family.

Before getting in a marked police car a lengthy conversation would take place outside the car. No way would she hop straight in. She is a professional woman in her thirties and with this comes confidence in speaking to authority figures.

The fact that as far as we are aware there are no witnesses of them talking strongly suggests to me he attacked her and took her phone very very quickly. But this is of course JMO.

The only way I can see she got in the car voluntarily would be if he showed his warrant badge and, with urgency, stated there were reports of an incident nearby and he needs to take her from the vicinity to safety, as has been conjectured here upthread. JMO but I don't see this being the case either because it involves conversation... I fear her getting in the car was less compliant and more violent, sadly.

 

[Emerald1991]

Same.

She was not breaking any laws by being outside. Therefore wouldn’t accept arrest.

She wasn’t far from home to accept a lift.

If I had any interaction with an officer it would be a discussion on exactly what I had done wrong and the first thing I’d do is whatsapp a friend or call family.

Before getting in a marked police car a lengthy conversation would take place outside the car. No way would she hop straight in. She is a professional woman in her thirties and with this comes confidence in speaking to authority figures.

The fact that as far as we are aware there are no witnesses of them talking strongly suggests to me he attacked her and took her phone very very quickly. But this is of course JMO.

I'm not disagreeing just thinking out loud - I suppose we don't actually know if there were witnesses or not, this probably isn't something they'd be sharing with the public right now. Same as if they have CCTV footage of WC and Sarah.

Thinking as someone of a similar age and from the same area etc, the only reason I would get in the car with them voluntarily is if he had a police badge and told me there was someone following me or someone else I needed to be afraid of.

However reading through everyone else's thoughts and knowing how busy that road is with cars, I'm thinking it would have been very quick and more likely he pounced after she ended her call and overpowered her in seconds. Absolutely horrifying to think of.

 

[Columboshound]

A bit of psychology but...

I read that they (The Sun?) had questioned his step mother...

I wonder what has happened to his real mother. Could her abandoning him result in a deep seated hatred of women for example? Or an ability to see them as objects.

Just thoughts...

 

[Stella123]

Just picking up on the WC profile from earlier posts and the idea of EC not being coerced as such but the stronger of the two. (Like Yorkshire ripper and wife). Ungratified at home, EC being dominant, met EC on the internet - she gets Uk residency, he feels not loved and used possibly. Personality of low self esteem leading to abuse of power to big himself up. Except that is more how he viewed himself than in terms of him using Police status to coerce her. Plus all the other theories of his tendencies towards women. JMO

In terms of how SE got in the car - I don't think there was any preamble - showing warrant card, lockdown rules warning, or warning of an attacker in the area - that would mean she could remember him. Think it was sudden and she was grabbed and bundled in the car. In a dark area. Maybe waiting for someone to go past. Phone dropped and smashed in the scuffle - retrieved by WC.

Police outside flats investigating - could be looking on the kerb for signs of a scuffle - also signs of dropped items. For all we know a scuffle may also be on the CCTV. All JMO

 

[Tidderer88]

I am sorry of this has been posted before, but I googled the family garage WC worked at- (BCB Dover Garage and Bodyshop) I am not sure if you are allowed to put postcodes on here etc
This place is more or less behind Port of Dover- obviously some distance away. But there is a place beside the garage called Western Heights View Point, according to an article on 'KentOnline' back in 2015, the area has/had become a 'dogging hot spot'. This is right beside the garage, so I wonder if WC got his kicks near here or even that this is where he got into his ideas if indecent exposure. IMO apologies if this was posted before.
Scenic site is dogging hotspot

I know the garage is being looked at and searched through at the moment, there are quite a lot of trees/ bushes etc about- however, I hope nothing is found here. I keep trawling though GoogleMaps through the last couple of years, hoping something can be found to bring this animal down.

This part of Kent looks so beautiful! Such a shame for these things to have happened/ going on, especially with children about.

Moderators- please feel free to message me or amend post if I am breaking rules- I am quite new to WS. Thanks

 

[Stella123]

A bit of psychology but...

I read that they (The Sun?) had questioned his step mother...

I wonder what has happened to his real mother. Could her abandoning him result in a deep seated hatred of women for example? Or an ability to see them as objects.

Just thoughts...

Also wondered about that. What happened to his Birth Mother? Mods please let me know if that is inappropriate as not about victim or suspect.

 

[MancGuy Uk]

I guess each to their own and we all react differently.

But the angle I look at it from is that this is a woman who as far as we know has not had trouble with the police before, if she’s been stopped and “arrested” by an officer showing a police badge then ignoring it could have led to further charges of resisting arrest.

I’d imagine for most in this situation you’d be fearful of the arrest over other thoughts and emotions.

possibly but anyone in that situation could question that your not breaking any rules going for a walk for all he knew she could have been stood outside her flat

 

[tedtink]

I missed a whole thread and am just trying to catch up here and this may have already been said but could LE still be looking for SE's body parts that may be scattered over several locations and not 'other bodies'?
Or other evidence such as buried clothing.

JMO

 

[lello2]

I'm same age/background/location as Sarah, I honestly do not believe she'd have got into an unmarked car with one solo plain clothes officer even with a badge. This is a route I have walked many times myself, by that point she is more than halfway home an offer of a lift wouldn't even be that worthwhile.

JMO - I have lived in the area my whole life (through teenage years and post-uni). Yes it is a busy road but it is mostly residential along that stretch with a lot of apartment blocks / estates and not really any shops. Given the time and lack of pedestrians around that particular area (only heightened by lockdown) and given SE’s years in London already and the descriptions of her that she was very sensible - I too have a hard time believing she would have got into the car willingly or even quickly enough for it not to have become a scene (especially as she had clearly already made the decision to walk and not another means of transport). An un-uniformed, lone policeman without a police car late at night in a relatively empty area (in terms of people around / eye witnesses) ... I personally would have been very reluctant. Completely my own opinion but even if a police badge / mention of COVID was used - I think it would be more likely an initial distraction technique to temporarily confuse her / catch her off guard as opposed to the actual means of getting her inside.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

arrest Tuesday night

So, likely to hear something... Saturday?

 

[LeopardLeotard]

I am sorry of this has been posted before, but I googled the family garage WC worked at- (BCB Dover Garage and Bodyshop) I am not sure if you are allowed to put postcodes on here etc
This place is more or less behind Port of Dover- obviously some distance away. But there is a place beside the garage called Western Heights View Point, according to an article on 'KentOnline' back in 2015, the area has/had become a 'dogging hot spot'. This is right beside the garage, so I wonder if WC got his kicks near here or even that this is where he got into his ideas if indecent exposure. IMO apologies if this was posted before.
Scenic site is dogging hotspot

I know the garage is being looked at and searched through at the moment, there are quite a lot of trees/ bushes etc about- however, I hope nothing is found here. I keep trawling though GoogleMaps through the last couple of years, hoping something can be found to bring this animal down.

This part of Kent looks so beautiful! Such a shame for these things to have happened/ going on, especially with children about.

Moderators- please feel free to message me or amend post if I am breaking rules- I am quite new to WS. Thanks

An area near garage is being searched too so that would make sense

 

[Columboshound]

possibly but anyone in that situation could question that your not breaking any rules going for a walk for all he knew she could have been stood outside her flat

Plus going outside alone for any length of time isn’t breaking any laws or rules

 

[MoreSleuceThanSleuth]

To add, forensics are there again, seems the tent may be getting some use after all, going from front door to tent suited up x

I couldn't find the post I wanted to reply to and realised I was on the next thread, sorry. Just wanted to say WC and EC paid £200,000 for their home in 2016. Not £60,000 in 2001 as you mentioned (Source: Rightmove)

 

[Ausie]

I know it's been covered already but the threads are moving so quickly and I've just spent a bit of time looking into it further myseld. I've just looked into the strange CCTV of the car with the driver acting strangely at 22:00.

I dont know the area personally but according to Google Maps directions if you were to drive from Poynders Court, where SE was last seen and where there was heavy police presence at the start of the week, to Kent then you would indeed use this road which is captured on the camera mentioned. Very eery.

 

[Firstsnow4]

I find it hard to believe he used his police id or logo on his uniform/ t-shirt unless it was a premeditated murder. If it was used then surely it would have made identifying him very easy by a victim to the police on reporting an attack. Which I doubt given his job role he would risk.

I think he either pounced and subdued her before she even had chance to realise what was going on or he lured her to the side of the flats on the pretense of needing assistance.

I think this is a very good point - by showing ID you are leaving yourself open to be arrested for the crime further down the line (with a rape or assault) so this would suggest that he knew he was going to murder her from the outset.

Without ID there is less chance for the victim to identify their attacker.

So if he did use ID to get her in the car, he knew what he was planning all along IMO

 

[spotlight710]

“These are so powerful because each and every woman can relate. Every woman should feel safe to walk on our streets without fear of harassment or violence."

This is a horrific attack on a woman. Motives are likely sexual, so I get the distiction from other sorts of crimes....
However, let's not restrict this to women. Men also face harassment and violence on the streets. Sometimes also sexual.
These have different drivers, but all of us, women and men should feel safe
That's not trying to detract from the many terrible events against women though

I really don't understand the point of this post, to be honest. I find it offensive and irrelevant in light of the subject of this thread and the discussions taking place within it. I doubt anyone is under the impression that such crimes only have women as victims, but unfortunately women form the vast majority of the worrying statistics we see each year. On top of this, here we aren't analysing SE's place only as the victim of a potentially horrific crime. In pursuit of bringing the case to conclusion, the discussion rightly centres the male suspected perpetrator of this crime, and in focusing on the male, the thread largely discusses the kinds of behaviours and societal standards which allow men to get away with this bollocks.
Therefore in response to your very pertinent fact that men face harassment, both sexual and violent, rather than trying to separate and then randomly re-unite the gender difference in your rather confusing post, perhaps consider the main perpetrator of both male and female sexual, physical violence -- Men. And this is what we are discussing here. Men and women can relate to this horrific chain of events, but sadly, women more. This crime has brought up a lot of valuable discussion on both sides about the kind of precautions taken by women and the kinds of behaviours exhibited by men which can be perceived as harmful or threatening. I see no real need for you to spotlight male victims in this specific manner and specific case as no one is denying this fact in general, it is simply not applicable here.

 

[merrypason]

Part of Clapham Common is notorious for gay cruising, but not sure of the relevance to WC

Thanks. His sexual proclivities are unknown but it wouldn't be the first time a married man partook in cottaging/dogging, far away from anyone who may know him. That also constitutes indecent exposure incidentally. We've all assumed it must be a woman who made the allegation, could be a man or a couple too. Was trying to think of his state of mind at the time, and why he ended up in Clapham of all places.

JMO

 

[Perodicticus potto]

A bit of psychology but...

I read that they (The Sun?) had questioned his step mother...

I wonder what has happened to his real mother. Could her abandoning him result in a deep seated hatred of women for example? Or an ability to see them as objects.

Just thoughts...

About a third of marriages in the UK end in divorce, so many people have stepmothers. And men are perfectly capable of hating and harming women without any particular woman in their life having done something to "deserve" it.

 

[Parmalade]

I'm still struggling to understand why he was in Clapham at all tbh after his shift finished at 8pm.

He would absolutely have had to go back to base at Westminster Palace to change out of uniform, and clock out, with the rest of his shift team. His car (that he drove from Deal) would have been parked in Westminster too.

Clapham is NOT on the way home to Kent from Westminster. If he went there, it was with intent. Otherwise there were plenty other parks and areas close/on the way for him to pick a woman up, that would have been less complicated than doing it on the South Circular. Does anyone know if Clapham Common has a reputation for dogging/cottaging? As an example, Epping Forest and Hampstead Heath are notorious for it after dark.

It's making me question whether he was in Clapham because (a) he observes dogging/partakes in cottaging and this is a good spot for it, close enough to work and en route home - saw Sarah alone and was just opportunistic (b) he has been indecent in the Common before, and it is a well known hunting ground for him for some reason (maybe lots of young female runners in the evenings)

If (b), then he has been planning an attack on someone for some time, and it's a lot more deviant, and planned.

JMO

MSM here are reporting that he finished in Battersea at 8pm, but would have then been taken by minibus back to Charing Cross police station (about 12-22 mins itself at 8pm according to a Google Maps) to debrief/check his kit back in, etc.

By the time this was done, he could feasibly have only just been on his way home by 9:30 in Clapham (which is a possible route back to Deal via the A205 depending if he wanted to head across the Thames immediately after Charing rather than head along north of it on the A1203).

In summary, I think the times can fit with an opportunistic/impulsive attack along a genuine journey home rather than something more planned/diversion to a particular area like Clapham/cruising, etc. Of course, that’s possible too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Met-officer-CCTV-breakthrough-bus-camera.html
Sarah Everard: 'Murder suspect' Met officer found via CCTV from bus camera | Daily Mail Online

 

[Firstsnow4]

It’s awful for him to be involved, but to think his wife could be involved too is just beyond words

Any thoughts on whether they were both in on it for sexual purposes? Kidnap and take back to their house. Probably clutching at straws.