UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #7

[Kalli]

Clapham Common is on the South London link? Right at the bottom?

Hahaha sorry you're right, I didn't scroll far enough. Still - I don't think it's a reliable place for that kind of activity. It's not somewhere he'd drop by on a whim or just in case something was happening.

 

[Parmalade]

What is dogging??

Wikipedia (safe link): Dogging

 

[laurenat]

For anyone questioning the possibility that she wouldn’t have complied if he had told her he was Police...

If I was stopped and addressed by someone claiming to be the police, I strongly suspect that I wouldn’t question it, I would panic, and would do exactly what they asked. I’m also 33, and have a professional career. It wouldn’t even occur to me to challenge them - they’re the police, they’re there to protect us.

I guess Id probably do differently now, however until you’ve been in a situation like that you can’t possibly know how you, never mind anyone else would respond.

Yeah I think ultimately, it's impossible to guess when you haven't been in that situation. I keep thinking it over, and keep coming down on different sides. But ultimately, I think it would depend on your state of mind - if you felt safe or if you didn't. If you feel jumpy and nervous you're going to respond differently than if you feel confident and happy in that moment. Obviously this is totally irrelevant if she was just taken unawares and bundled. I suppose the scenario I'm describing is if he approached her under the guise of being a good copper/good samaritan.

 

[LucyRocket]

What is dogging??

Google it
Then delete browsing history

 

[Kalli]

Errr, Clapham Common is a well known spot for Gay cruising, indecent exposure and other encounters. I too live very nearby and I have seen it myself so yes, they could 'get it done in that regard'

Cruising yes, dogging? Not so much. But that's IME, obviously.

 

[waxwellwax]

Hahaha sorry you're right, I didn't scroll far enough. Still - I don't think it's a reliable place for that kind of activity. It's not somewhere he'd drop by on a whim or just in case something was happening.

Im sorry but you really have no clue clearly

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Candle trail proposed from Ashford to London in memory of Sarah Everard

Stephanie Staunton, who lives nearby, is organising the poignant tribute to the 33-year-old, who was last seen on March 3 in Clapham.

She's asking people to light a candle in their window from Ashford to Brixton next Wednesday at 6pm, to "light Sarah's way home".

Candle trail proposed from Kent to London for Sarah Everard

 

[waxwellwax]

Cruising yes, dogging? Not so much. But that's IME, obviously.

not dogging no - There is one extremely well known area for this sort of activity - Stupid to dismiss this based on something you know nothing about!

 

[supersleuth1974]

Rather worrying

At least 18 people have been reported missing in London in the past month, in addition to Sarah Everard, 4 people have been reported since 03/03/21. They are Abubakar Mohammed (15), Ella Clancy (16), Keiran Campbell (13) and Frances Dakowa (75)

IMOO

 

[merrypason]

What is dogging??

It's British slang. "The practice of carrying out or watching sexual activities in semi-secluded locations such as parks or car parks, often arranged by e-mail or text messages." They can gather an audience too. It's erm pretty popular around here in parks and car parks.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

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[modesty blaise]

Google it
Then delete browsing history

Oh dear...

 

[Sara11272]

I am really wondering about whether WC may have partaken in dogging, and that is why he detoured to Clapham. And knows these deserted/wooded areas in Ashford.

A search for popular dogging spots in Kent according to MSM
The places to avoid in Kent after dark - unless you're into dogging

3 spots named in Ashford - all of which are a very short distance to the Leisure Centre/police searches, and 2 are woodlands....

And Clapham Common is named here for top South London dogging spots. The only one close to his work and on the way back home, which may explain why he detoured 30 mins to Clapham to head back home.
The 31 notorious South London dogging sites which come alive after dark

It would also explain an indecent exposure charge, as dogging/cottaging are not illegal per se but the charge of indecent exposure is often used in these cases. Wonder if there have been witnesses (other doggers/cottagers) who have come forward about him.

JMO

I have been pondering on the indecent exposure element. I read that the charge of IE also related to Sarah.

As she is sadly and obviously not here to report that, how do the police know about it?

Either:

A. she mentioned it on her call to her bf and he told police

B. It was seen by a third party who reported it (but then didn’t see whatever happened next..? - seems unlikely)

C. WC confessed to it

If a. It suggests a time lag between the two incidents between WC and SE - so maybe she saw him eg on the common, he clocked her see him and followed her..? Either to try and prevent her reporting it/‘deal’ with her so she couldn’t, or because someone seeing him somehow elevated his desire to do something worse?

Or is there an option D. I haven’t thought of?

 

[London78]

Rather worrying

At least 18 people have been reported missing in London in the past month, in addition to Sarah Everard, 4 people have been reported since 03/03/21. They are Abubakar Mohammed (15), Ella Clancy (16), Keiran Campbell (13) and Frances Dakowa (75)

IMOO

Keiran Campbell is home now.

 

[elmomom]

What is dogging??

Yes for us poor Americans can we get a translation for dogging and cottaging?
Cheers!

edited to add - got it now. We don’t use these terms here, we probably should!

 

[Nikynoo]

Interested in where you are headed with this line of enquiry in terms of the case?

Where I am going is - IF WC frequented sex workers on a regular basis, whether lockdown has made him seek other outlets e.g. indecent exposure?

 

[elliefant]

What is dogging??

Dogging (sexual slang)

 

[JJJ85]

Just to put the WC and SE connection queries to bed. There is absolutely NO way a pumped up, egotistical, minimally educated alpha male with his the profile would have mixed in her social circle. From a socio-economic perspective - its highly hughly unlikey.

That's a little judgemental and snobby. Who knows what circles she mixed in. By all accounts she was a nice person and may have mixed with people from all socio-economic backgrounds regardless of their level of education or wealth.

 

[Kalli]

Im sorry but you really have no clue clearly

I used to walk across the common at night for months and saw nothing, so... ok? Fine?

 

[wicky33]

do you think W could’ve hit Sarah in his car intentionally to leave her incapacitated enough to bundle her into the car? He might’ve even offered to take her to the hospital to get help but did something perverse instead