UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018 #2 *B. Lacomba guilty*

[Noseyjosie]

Thank you - that looks very possible

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Ok this is the street view. This is where the road from Hilltop joins the A20 and if you look ahead through the trees you can see the transmitter. Tap left seven times and you'll see the bridle path on the right hand verge.
A20, England, United Kingdom | Instant Street View

 

[Alyce]

Ok this is the street view. This is where the road from Hilltop joins the A20 and if you look ahead through the trees you can see the transmitter. Tap left seven times and you'll see the bridle path on the right hand verge.
A20, England, United Kingdom | Instant Street View

That is just an ideal place ( sorry bad choice of word ) - so close to the main road, but so secluded. Very easy to get back onto main road and home asap.

 

[Mrs Marple]

Well this judge likes to drag things out doesn't he?? Oh well it's only taxpayers money, plenty more where that came from

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Well this judge likes to drag things out doesn't he?? Oh well it's only taxpayers money, plenty more where that came from

Agreed a day and a half should be plenty for pros and defence summing up, if not the Judge.

 

[Kaykedi]

Do any of us think he will be charged with murder? Manslaughter? Or, will he be set free? Is there enough hard evidence to convict him? I ask as I'm a bit of a novice in such legal matters. I know that I feel he is responsible for Sarah's disappearance/possible murder, and, he had the means, opportunity and motive. But, if I were on the jury, I'm unsure that I could find him guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. As much as my emotions want me to

 

[deugirtni]

Live updates as Sarah Wellgreen's ex-partner goes on trial accused of her murder

Its in this link he showed PC Manley messages between SW and NJ from the night she disappeared, an imessage log (guessing from NJs phone) shows those messages were sent iphone to iphone so could only have been her missing iphone4 rather than either of the 2 samsung (Android) handsets that dont have the imessage feature.

Im buying the officer being truthful over BL.

I would take the officer's word too, of course. I'm just not able to find what you're talking about, even after having another good look. Are you able to locate it again and post it up? TIA!

 

[Alyce]

Second paragraph - I didnt realise his mother's home was so close - 300 yards.


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[Spy Versus Spy]

Do any of us think he will be charged with murder? Manslaughter? Or, will he be set free? Is there enough hard evidence to convict him? I ask as I'm a bit of a novice in such legal matters. I know that I feel he is responsible for Sarah's disappearance/possible murder, and, he had the means, opportunity and motive. But, if I were on the jury, I'm unsure that I could find him guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. As much as my emotions want me to

We only have the kentlive reports to go on really. Which is their own summary , incomplete by nature. We dont see body language or demeanour or attitude etc.

For me, on what Ive read from the reports, its very likely imo that hes responsible. Im a little concerned that its 100% circumstantial. No body, no forensics, no witnesses to attack or removal. In theory I would convict ,but in reality Im unsure if there is enough proof, idve liked to have just an iota of hard proof.

Eta: The situation with house, kids etc, the shovel, the SW phones, the lie about not going out, the parking in CP2,the car wash, the cctv off, the cctv of action of throwing phones in River, the delay in reporting missing, I mean its pretty compelling

 

[Elgana]

We only have the kentlive reports to go on really. Which is their own summary , incomplete by nature. We dont see body language or demeanour or attitude etc.

For me, on what Ive read from the reports, its very likely imo that hes responsible. Im a little concerned that its 100% circumstantial. No body, no forensics, no witnesses to attack or removal. In theory I would convict ,but in reality Im unsure if there is enough proof, idve liked to have just an iota of hard proof.

I agree entirely, this is exactly how I feel and it's worrying.

 

[deugirtni]

Accused 'left house' on night missing mum vanished

This is worded slightly differently to how I've seen it previously. I've spent ages too, looking for the occupant testimony where they say something along the lines of 'Sarah's face looking grumpy the days/week before she disappeared' but I can't find it!!

I feel like the occupant who got up in the middle of the night 'could' have been any of the children ... but the comment about her looking grumpy (or something) sounded more like an older child.

I'm also thinking that if something had occurred for example, and I was lying and saying 'no no, my almost 13 year old is mistaken, it was the night before I got up to look at noisy wildlife - most 13 year olds I've ever known would absolutely argue til blue in the face that I was lying and they were not mistaken!

'In an interview shown on video in the court the witness said they had last seen Sarah, then 46, the evening before she disappeared, and that Sarah had been in a good mood, sending text messages on her phone.

Later on the witness woke in the night.

They said: “I checked in Sarah’s room and she wasn’t there and her bed was wet.

“The top of the bed was wet. I felt it.

“It hasn’t been wet before. It was water.”

The witness said Lacomba was out driving his taxi at the time and that they had gone downstairs to watch TV.

Then Lacomba had come home and they had gone to bed.

The witness said Lacomba had also said they didn’t need to worry about Sarah because the police were finding her.

Lacomba REALLY should change his plea and tell police where she is ... he's guilty as sin. One small coincidence is one thing but this is ridiculous ... I don't even think the jury will be deliberating for too long.

11:17
Witness says last time Sarah was seen she was 'moody'

The witness, who cannot be named, described one of the last moments Sarah was seen before her disappearance.

The witness said Sarah “was a bit moody” one of the mornings before she disappeared.

The video played to a jury said: “She was kind of alientated from everyone.

“She was just a bit moody, she wasn’t normal.

“I could even tell that personally I didnt think she got a good night’s sleep.

“She had this weird face on her, I don’t know it was just really weird.”

That concludes this individual witness’s evidence

 

[hitthenick]

We only have the kentlive reports to go on really. Which is their own summary , incomplete by nature. We dont see body language or demeanour or attitude etc.

For me, on what Ive read from the reports, its very likely imo that hes responsible. Im a little concerned that its 100% circumstantial. No body, no forensics, no witnesses to attack or removal. In theory I would convict ,but in reality Im unsure if there is enough proof, idve liked to have just an iota of hard proof.

I also agree with that spy. I have a funny feeling the jury won’t convict him based purely on all this circumstantial evidence, some of I find very poor and forced.

 

[hitthenick]

I agree entirely, this is exactly how I feel and it's worrying.

What do you find worrying?

 

[Delisa]

Look how much mummy had to confirm about cleaning out guttering, digging and messages AND the all important explanation of her coming and going to the house in that funny fashion. Yet we hear nothing from her about it?

It just feels like there's unfinished business in that court room unless there was an issue with the updates and we hear about in the speeches and summing up.

 

[Elgana]

What do you find worrying?

Just that there may not be enough hard evidence to charge him with anything. I'm only an amateur by the way, I don't know all the ins and outs of things but I feel like it is one of those cases where we all know that he is guilty of something and lying through his teeth, but not enough evidence of exactly what he has done to bring fair justice.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

So we haven't had evidence or a witness statement from ML, is that right?

Is it the case, LB , that if the defence doesnt call her then she wouldnt be able to be called?

 

[deugirtni]

I am also on the pre meditated side.
I don't think it was necessarily something he had planned for years - more like it was an idea that had started to develop in his mind over the last few months ( after SW moved back in May ) or possibly even over the last few weeks - but there was, for me, definite planning in what happened.
Main reasoning is that, despite his sometimes clumsy answers in the witness box, he has still managed to;

Kill a person without any discernible noise and without leaving any sign or trace of how he did this within the property.
Remove her body from that house - via the front door, which is the only exit and - even though he does not appear to be the fittest or strongest person - has carried or in some way transported that body to CP2.
Find a place for burial which has, so far, remained undetected despite extensive searching by the police and the community.

I don't think all of the above would have happened so easily ( for him ) without some forethought.

Can someone please clarify.. I had been wondering about this.. I tried to do a walk about the maze of townhouses, but I lost my way.. (on googlemaps).. surely he was able, or anyone/the residents there are able to drive up on a roadway to the outside of the front entrance of their homes?? I can understand there would be no parking there, but how would people even be expected to move in, or purchase furniture and appliances, or bring someone home from hospital, etc., if you always, every time, had to drop off from the parking lot?
If there is no ability to park momentarily/stop directly in front of the unit, then I'm really going to be wondering about how ANYONE could be murdered there and then brought out. Can you imagine carrying a dead weight like that allllllll the way to the parking area?? I can't???

 

[Delisa]

Second paragraph - I didnt realise his mother's home was so close - 300 yards.

Im surprised it was that far and wasnt even closer so she could check if he's cleaned behind his ears and watch Corrie at the same time

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[Alyce]

Is it the case, LB , that if the defence doesnt call her then she wouldnt be able to be called?

I've just scrolled back through Kent Live updates as I was sure there was a header saying today we will hear from ML and NJ. Can't find it now.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I've just scrolled back through Kent Live updates as I was sure there was a header saying today we will hear from ML and NJ. Can't find it now.

I recall seeing that Alyce. We were all eagerly awaiting to hear from her, even early on ( about the bedding iirc).

Im wondering if she has given evidence or a statement but either its been subject to a reporting restriction for some reason, or the Defence has decided at the last minute not to call her or use any statement?

 

[Legally Bland]

Is it the case, LB , that if the defence doesnt call her then she wouldnt be able to be called?

I think the prosecution could have called her. Not sure how easy it is to compel a witness though.

I've just scrolled back through Kent Live updates as I was sure there was a header saying today we will hear from ML and NJ. Can't find it now.

I think it must have been a witness statement like NJ if there was any evidence.