UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018 #2 *B. Lacomba guilty*

[Alyce]

Only just seen your fabulous article (I posted my measly, incorrect offering before reading all posts on this page)

I thought your post was spot on - definitely would slow down decomposition

 

[Kaykedi]

I thought your post was spot on - definitely would slow down decomposition

Awwww thank you

 

[Kaykedi]

IMO mum new for sure she took his brown missing shoes and cleaned them and backed him up over and over when asked questions. I highly doubt its normal for the bedding to be changed EVERY time ML stayed but she backed him up on that too! Wonder if mom took pics (like every mom i know) of the xmas tree that year with the spade under? Im guessing she said that was true aswell. Even if BL said mom, sarah has gone missing can u do this and do that and wash this and wash that and can u bk me up on this, you would KNOW it was dodgy and too go along with it is being part to it!
She was probably just as mad as him with all the worry over loosing custody MOO
And lastly if it was ML who made the statement about sarah being moody and alienated then it just says it all for me

Seems Lacomba and mummy dearest didn't think out the salvaging of the brown shoes too cleverly, there's NO WAY I'd keep those shoes, I'd blow them up first!

 

[Noseyjosie]

interesting article - would recommend having breakfast first

A corpse decomposing in a non-biodegradable plastic coffin may not form an adipocere but may liquefy into a semi-liquid state


https://pure.qub.ac.uk/portal/files/4112087/green_grave_report.pdf



Adipocere (/ˈædɪpəˌsɪər, -poʊ-/), also known as corpse wax, grave wax or mortuary wax, is a wax-like organic substance formed by the anaerobic bacterial hydrolysis of fat in tissue, such as body fat in corpses.

Oh goodness, why did I have to ask

Seriously though, that was very illuminating! Thanks Alyce

 

[Noseyjosie]

Seems Lacomba and mummy dearest didn't think out the salvaging of the brown shoes too cleverly, there's NO WAY I'd keep those shoes, I'd blow them up first!

Definitely. I was talking to my OH about the case and we both said we'd get a "murder and body disposal outfit" prepared and then get rid of it very thoroughly afterwards, not wear normal day to day clothes and hope to clean off evidence

 

[Pravda]

Does anyone know the significance and date of the journey from West Kingsdown mentioned in the agreed facts?
The agreed facts
Bringing the evidence in the trial to a close, Judge Christopher Kinch laid out the agreed facts.

• On 27 June 2019, Ben Lacomba’s solicitors photograph the journey from Fawkham Road, Rogers Wood Lane and Billit Hill which Lacomba says he took to drive back from West Kingsdown to New Ash Green.These pictures are shown to the jury.
• There were messages recovered on Sarah’s white Samsung Galaxy phone that were “sexually explicit”
• 122 other Vauxhall Zafiras are registered in the three postcode areas around New Ash Green.
• 10 were the same model but none of those were registered as taxis

“My lord that closes the case of Ben Lacomba,” says defending Benjamin Newton.

Judge Kinch QC tells the Jury: “You have now heard the case from both sides and the evidence is now complete.”

 

[Pravda]

It's OK, I have realised that is the mud on the car story.

 

[hitthenick]

I have tried to find out about Sarah’s build.

She is 5ft 7” tall, roughly a size 16, very large and I reckon that she will weigh around 12 stone if not slightly more, she seems quite similar in stature to my wife.

The reason me doing this is to work out how he had got her from the house to his car without making a single noise or making anyone aware at that time of night.

A couple of things are striking me.

1) At the weight she is, if she was dead before leaving the house which I think most are certain of, her actual weight would feel a lot heavier than if she was alive. If this murder took place in the bedroom, ie by suffocation or strangulation - suffocation being the quietest out of the two, then Ben would have to hoist her up and carry her downstairs without alarming the kids, out of the house, down the pathway and into CP2, open his car, put her in, go back, lock the house, then back to the car. All that without being seen at all by a single person.

Personally, I think that is one massive risk to take ALONE. How would he know no other cars would go past or even anyone going into or out of the houses overlooking that car park?

2) I am really thinking he has had some assistance in the house and also as a lookout between the house and car.

Considering how close this guy is to his mother, I am going to go with the potential that his mother is actually involved in this by assisting him, house to car as a lookout. I am certain she is definitely in on this whole thing but he has kept her out of it on purpose so she can care for the children. She came back to the house briefly on the morning then left then came back - there’s something in that surely, maybe she took evidence away.

I am considerably bigger than BL and I know I would definitely struggle carrying my wife from the bedroom, down our stairs, out of the door then another 50m at least to get her in my car all alone and without even making a single noise.

As far as we know, ML hasn’t been cross examined in court, it that is true, I am finding that remarkable.

Quick edit - if he transported her in some sort of mobile receptacle, suitcase etc, that when wheeled over rough ground would definitely be making loud noises in the silence of the night so I am ruling that method out otherwise a witness would have been found telling police he was seen.

 

[Kaykedi]

Definitely. I was talking to my OH about the case and we both said we'd get a "murder and body disposal outfit" prepared and then get rid of it very thoroughly afterwards, not wear normal day to day clothes and hope to clean off evidence

Superb!

 

[Mrs Marple]

Quick edit - if he transported her in some sort of mobile receptacle, suitcase etc, that when wheeled over rough ground would definitely be making loud noises in the silence of the night so I am ruling that method out otherwise a witness would have been found telling police he was seen.

I think this is an excellent point. I live in an area not dissimilar and when someone is dragging a suitcase down the road it makes an absolute racket.

 

[hitthenick]

After my last post above regarding disposal of the body.

I am now looking into a motive to carry out this murder.

It has been said that Ben was getting bought out of the house on a 50/50 equity basis resulting in him receiving a settlement of £50,000 GBP, that calculates the available equity in the house as £100,000 GBP with each party worth the same £50,000 each.

We have been told that Sarah’s 2 eldest boys were allegedly going through the process of a mortgage to buy out Bens share of this house.

What we don’t know is whether they are remortgaging on the same house or raising the equity from another house to pay him off.

Sarah apparently owns a house in Portsmouth, a property in Turkey, a place in Spain ( the Spain one is according to her uncle, Ronald Wellgreen who was quoted in the press saying so ) and also this Bazes Shaw house with Ben.

All that property is a complicated structure of finances.

I think Bens motive is financial as has been quoted.

If he can kill her, get rid of her and only be implicated himself without involving another - he needs a carer for his kids let’s not forget and he will 100% want that carer to be very close to him - his mum falls into place.

Now, now Sarah isn’t around, these finances take on a different trajectory.

He will not need to be bought out of his house although if he is jailed for a substantial term, the house might have to be sold anyway, Sarah’s equity in the house will go to her children, a charge could be put onto that house for Sarah’s share to the kids in the future yet it’s also possible he can claim that as a contribution to raising the kids.

If he gets off with murder and is ultimately released without charge, hey presto, all is good for him, no Sarah, no buyout, kids in the house, mum over the road to help and his life goes on.

It gets messy and more complicated if he is sentenced.

He’s banking on getting away with it.

 

[Mrs Marple]

Also let's not forget they are probably required to have mortgage insurance, so in the event of the death of one of the mortgagees, the debt is paid off.

Can you even get a mortgage for a house that you won't be owning? I know you can get buy to let mortgages but that isn't this scenario. Also l wonder why Sarah didn't sell another property to pay him off?

Edit to say l think there's a reasonable chance he will get away with it. Not sure how the proceeds of crime legislation will affect it if he is found guilty though

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

After my last post above regarding disposal of the body.

I am now looking into a motive to carry out this murder.

It has been said that Ben was getting bought out of the house on a 50/50 equity basis resulting in him receiving a settlement of £50,000 GBP, that calculates the available equity in the house as £100,000 GBP with each party worth the same £50,000 each.

We have been told that Sarah’s 2 eldest boys were allegedly going through the process of a mortgage to buy out Bens share of this house.

What we don’t know is whether they are remortgaging on the same house or raising the equity from another house to pay him off.

Sarah apparently owns a house in Portsmouth, a property in Turkey, a place in Spain ( the Spain one is according to her uncle, Ronald Wellgreen who was quoted in the press saying so ) and also this Bazes Shaw house with Ben.

All that property is a complicated structure of finances.

I think Bens motive is financial as has been quoted.

If he can kill her, get rid of her and only be implicated himself without involving another - he needs a carer for his kids let’s not forget and he will 100% want that carer to be very close to him - his mum falls into place.

Now, now Sarah isn’t around, these finances take on a different trajectory.

He will not need to be bought out of his house although if he is jailed for a substantial term, the house might have to be sold anyway, Sarah’s equity in the house will go to her children, a charge could be put onto that house for Sarah’s share to the kids in the future yet it’s also possible he can claim that as a contribution to raising the kids.

If he gets off with murder and is ultimately released without charge, hey presto, all is good for him, no Sarah, no buyout, kids in the house, mum over the road to help and his life goes on.

It gets messy and more complicated if he is sentenced.

He’s banking on getting away with it.

The property in Turkey was a 'Family House bought as an investment' Im not clear if this is still held, or by who, or if had been sold on at an earlier date?

 

[hitthenick]

Also let's not forget they are probably required to have mortgage insurance, so in the event of the death of one of the mortgagees, the debt is paid off.

Can you even get a mortgage for a house that you won't be owning? I know you can get buy to let mortgages but that isn't this scenario. Also l wonder why Sarah didn't sell another property to pay him off?

Edit to say l think there's a reasonable chance he will get away with it. Not sure how the proceeds of crime legislation will affect it if he is found guilty though

A mortgage is a loan secured on property. So the two lads will own that portion of that house, there’s a variety of ways to do that from the mortgage market.
She might not have had enough equity elsewhere to raise funds to buy him out, even if she sold a house, it could be mortgaged up to the hilt. It’s said by Ben she has had financial difficulties which could be true considering she’s pretty much a self employed freelance beautician which isn’t salaried. She might also have had no accounts in order to remortgage.

 

[hitthenick]

Also let's not forget they are probably required to have mortgage insurance, so in the event of the death of one of the mortgagees, the debt is paid off.

Can you even get a mortgage for a house that you won't be owning? I know you can get buy to let mortgages but that isn't this scenario. Also l wonder why Sarah didn't sell another property to pay him off?

Edit to say l think there's a reasonable chance he will get away with it. Not sure how the proceeds of crime legislation will affect it if he is found guilty though

Forgot to add, I think there’s a good chance of him walking away from the murder charge and it has to be beyond all reasonable doubt too and I’m still doubtful based on the evidence, yet aside from that, I think I know how he’s done it, why and how he got rid of her.

I am not sure if he walks from murder whether manslaughter can come into it.

There’s also the very fine and acute possibility that she disappeared on her own accord but I find that far fetched considering Bens car is out and about during the night.

 

[Lacey123]

We don't have wheelie bins in nag! We aren't allowed to have them

 

[Lacey123]

And the area you refer to with the mast and bridal path ect has already been searched numerous times by sw search team and by the police. The police spent two weeks combing area

 

[cindylou2019]

I’m local to the area just want to clear a few things up... in New Ash Green we do not use wheelie bins just plain old bin bags I’m also struggling with the lack of hard evidence in this case ‍

 

[Lacey123]

I’m local to the area just want to clear a few things up... in New Ash Green we do not use wheelie bins just plain old bin bags I’m also struggling with the lack of hard evidence in this case ‍

Yerh to be honest alot of us are! And lack of forensics makes everyone second guess. Has she done a runner! Taken photos of kids from the bedroom frames with her!
Anyone know of police took her laptop and other phones bl mentions! Or just her galaxy! That pinged of the phone mast on area

 

[Mrs Marple]

I’m local to the area just want to clear a few things up... in New Ash Green we do not use wheelie bins just plain old bin bags I’m also struggling with the lack of hard evidence in this case ‍

Yes thanks for that, l looked at the local authority website and saw that bins are for green waste only. As @Alyce said, its possible it was empty at that time of year. Assuming they had a bin for green waste.