UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018 #2 *B. Lacomba guilty*

[hitthenick]

To clarify cctv in black and white, it’s the infrared part of the system that does that, sorry. Colour in daylight. Even so, easily could be anyone and it’s a very common car in that immediate area.

 

[hitthenick]

Sarah was going out for a drink that night, her friend said so in her statement according to defence summing up.

 

[Ironside]

Sarah was going out for a drink that night, her friend said so in her statement according to defence summing up.

What she said to the client is the exact kind of nonsense talk any beauty therapist or hairdresser comes out with when you pay them.

 

[hitthenick]

There’s not been any discussion from prosecution and defence regarding mobile phone triangulations on any of the phones.

Why did Sarah have up to 6 mobile phones? Who needs more than 2 phones, work and personal. She could quite easily have used a 7th to disappear.

In the press, Peter Simon’s, her first husband has stated that Sarah was madly in love with someone from Portsmouth who was younger, who could this be and has that person been interviewed?

I am also leaning towards she has done a runner, her life was quite messed up with these men everywhere, her job wasn’t a reliable source of income as a self employed mobile beauty therapist, she has taken her kids to various men’s houses to live - at least two different men, Neil and another wealthy guy in Surrey. All that seems very insecure to me and definitely unstable for children.

There’s a lot more to this whole case and Sarah behind the scenes I think.

Does anyone have any links to any of her dating profiles?

 

[hitthenick]

What she said to the client is the exact kind of nonsense talk any beauty therapist or hairdresser comes out with when you pay them.

It was her friend not a client who said it and it shouldn’t be taken as lightly as what you say.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Do i believe BL was asleep in bed all night, in short, no.

I dont think the evidence is watertight as such but together i do think it builds quite a compelling picture that erases any reasonable doubts for me.

Moo

 

[chimpface]

I've absolutely no doubt she's dead and the defendant is responsible. From a jurors point of view though I'm not sure the prosecution have quite done enough. Hopefully there's lots we haven't heard which paints a more damming overall picture.

 

[Delisa]

Why does it say found deceased at the top of the page now?

The police think she's dead but she's not been pronounced legally dead not have the jury said they believe her to be dead or alive so how has she been found deceased?

 

[HayLouise]

Why does it say found deceased at the top of the page now?

The police think she's dead but she's not been pronounced legally dead not have the jury said they believe her to be dead or alive so how has she been found deceased?

Sarah's body has still not been recovered, not sure why title of thread has changed? I was confused too - immediately thought wow she's been found...

 

[hitthenick]

Do i believe BL was asleep in bed all night, in short, no.

I dont think the evidence is watertight as such but together i do think it builds quite a compelling picture that erases any reasonable doubts for me.

Moo

It seems so till the defence break down the prosecution. Nothing is that clear in this case.

 

[Delisa]

When's this Kent live going to pull it's finger out it's bum and put an update

 

[RosalindaA]

Sadly Websleuths is strewn with thousands of cases where a single man has disposed of a woman's body (even women who are an average size like Sarah!) I once moved an entire three piece suite down two flights of stairs in a block of flats on my own and no-one came out of their flats. I just had to get it done that night so I got it done. And the male nurses I have worked with and the men I have known well have been much much stronger than me, even those who didn't look it.
Here's hoping the jurors at least give Sarah and her children the respect of not thinking she is shacked up with a toyboy in Portsmouth having a good laugh at them and the rest of her family and friends going through this ordeal. Let's give her that respect here at least.

 

[mrazda71]

Y'know what, all this emphasis that Lacomba and his defence are putting on Sarah's relationship history is really starting to pee me off ...

Call her sexist names, call her needy, call her dysfunctional in relationships but, do not, DO NOT conflate her history with men to being a woman who would just up and leave her children, 3 being very little to the hell and trauma of not knowing where their mummy is! We've heard absolutely nothing and I've seen nothing to suggest that she was in any way the type of woman who would 'leave her kids to run off abroad with a new man' as Jaun (the dodgy Dad) Lacomba would have us believe. If that was the case, she'd have left her kids behind with Ben when she moved in with Neil and she wouldn't have gone through the trauma and expense of fighting for them in court!

 

[Skigh]

When's this Kent live going to pull it's finger out it's bum and put an update

Apparently Twitter has gone down,so this might be affecting updates.

 

[Alyce]

Sadly Websleuths is strewn with thousands of cases where a single man has disposed of a woman's body (even women who are an average size like Sarah!) I once moved an entire three piece suite down two flights of stairs in a block of flats on my own and no-one came out of their flats. I just had to get it done that night so I got it done. And the male nurses I have worked with and the men I have known well have been much much stronger than me, even those who didn't look it.
Here's hoping the jurors at least give Sarah and her children the respect of not thinking she is shacked up with a toyboy in Portsmouth having a good laugh at them and the rest of her family and friends going through this ordeal. Let's give her that respect here at least.

Exactly this Rosalinda. I have moved king size beds, wardrobes and cupboards down stairs - gravity is working with you so size and strength is not so important.
I find it completely believable that BL could do this ( with SW in a large suitcase or one of those boxes he uses for his Nerf guns ).
I realise the Defence is being paid to defend her client, but let's hope the jurors give Sarah more respect than to believe she just ran away from her young children and wider family.

 

[Alyce]

14:41
Court resumes
Judge Christopher Kinch QC resumes by reviewing the evidence about the extensive search for Sarah Wellgreen conducted by Kent Police consisting of 2,771 search locations.

A total of 115 officers were searching per day at its peak with 1,250 searches conducted in total.


Live updates as Sarah Wellgreen's ex-partner goes on trial accused of her murder

 

[hitthenick]

Y'know what, all this emphasis that Lacomba and his defence are putting on Sarah's relationship history is really starting to pee me off ...

Call her sexist names, call her needy, call her dysfunctional in relationships but, do not, DO NOT conflate her history with men to being a woman who would just up and leave her children, 3 being very little to the hell and trauma of not knowing where their mummy is! We've heard absolutely nothing and I've seen nothing to suggest that she was in any way the type of woman who would 'leave her kids to run off abroad with a new man' as Jaun (the dodgy Dad) Lacomba would have us believe. If that was the case, she'd have left her kids behind with Ben when she moved in with Neil and she wouldn't have gone through the trauma and expense of fighting for them in court!

I value your opinion but nothing is actually proven in this case. Her running off is a possibility, people have done this before numerous times including women!

There has been people who knew her well in the last 12 months who have been quoted as saying she might have run off! I know you won’t like that but it’s still there on the table.

I don’t know how you you can be so sure she hasn’t run off or left her kids. She lived separately with the two twins and not her 12 year old kid who lived with Ben miles away from NAG. Leaving one behind is very strange!

 

[Alyce]

15:14
Jurors told they must evaluate evidence for its 'strengths and weaknesses'
Judge Kinch explains that experts are allowed to give opinions on evidence as it falls within their expertise to do so, unlike other witnesses who are only allowed to give their own account.

Jurors must still evaluate expert evidence for its strengths and weaknesses.

He then continues to go through CCTV evidence which was examined by forensic imagery analysts, such as the footage from 23 Bazes Shaw cameras and the clips of a car exiting and entering New Ash Green, and the evidence on Lacomba’s own CCTV system being switched off.

Live updates as Sarah Wellgreen's ex-partner goes on trial accused of her murder

 

[Mrs Marple]

I don't think she has done a runner. I still think he killed her but there is a slim chance she's taken her own life.

Edit this is my issue, it's all very balance of probability :/

 

[mrazda71]

I value your opinion but nothing is actually proven in this case. Her running off is a possibility, people have done this before numerous times including women!

There has been people who knew her well in the last 12 months who have been quoted as saying she might have run off! I know you won’t like that but it’s still there on the table.

I don’t know how you you can be so sure she hasn’t run off or left her kids. She lived separately with the two twins and not her 12 year old kid who lived with Ben miles away from NAG. Leaving one behind is very strange!

It is absolutely possible to have a very close and loving relationship with a child and not live under the same roof ... ask a deployed service person.