UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018 #2 *B. Lacomba guilty*

[hitthenick]

Exactly this Rosalinda. I have moved king size beds, wardrobes and cupboards down stairs - gravity is working with you so size and strength is not so important.
I find it completely believable that BL could do this ( with SW in a large suitcase or one of those boxes he uses for his Nerf guns ).
I realise the Defence is being paid to defend her client, but let's hope the jurors give Sarah more respect than to believe she just ran away from her young children and wider family.

It’s a completely different thing to move a dead body down the stairs, out of the house with 3 kids in there and without making a single noise or them being alerted. We can all move furniture if need be but try doing that in silence, impossible alone.

 

[hitthenick]

It is absolutely possible to have a very close and loving relationship with a child and not live under the same roof ... ask a deployed service person.

Yes I know, I know from experience.

She was married twice, conceived no children during either marriage then 5 with two other men. I’m not out to run her down but these are facts of her life. Why did she leave the 12 year old behind and took the twins, she was a devoted mother we have been told.

 

[hitthenick]

I don't think she has done a runner. I still think he killed her but there is a slim chance she's taken her own life.

Edit this is my issue, it's all very balance of probability :/

Yes I will agree with that. I think it’s more possible she took her life rather than run off though. She has medical history for suicide. But if she has took her own life, more than 12 months on surely she’d have been found?

 

[deugirtni]

https://en.mogaznews.com/World-News...-insists-his-son-has-nothing-to-do-with-.html

That's gotta be one of the worst written articles I've ever read in MSM! jmo.

 

[hitthenick]

That's gotta be one of the worst written articles I've ever read in MSM! jmo.

It was copied from an original Daily Mail article.

 

[Alyce]

Am just putting up some of this old article which outlines details re SWs time in Farnham with NJ.
I cannot see any information that says the elder child lived in NAG at that time.


When the boiler at Sarah's Portsmouth home broke, Neil invited her and her three children to stay for Christmas until it could be fixed. 'Her daughter shared bunk beds with mine in one room, and her sons and mine shared another room.

Sarah enrolled her children in the local school,

But there were stresses, too. Neil says Sarah's children were close to their father and missed their old friends back in Kent.

Although spacious, Neil's flat must have felt rather cramped with five young children, who were now part of an instant blended family, and no garden to play in.

The speed with which Sarah and her children moved in with Neil — barely two months after they had met — also heightened disputes with her ex-partner over their children.

The strain and disruption of the to-ing and fro-ing between Kent, Farnham and Portsmouth eventually took its toll.

After almost 18 months together, Sarah suddenly left Neil in May 2018, apparently without warning.

'One morning I had a call at work from the children's school asking where they were. I phoned Sarah and she told me she'd gone. She said she couldn't cope with the situation any more,' says Neil.

'I was heartbroken, but Sarah felt she had to put the children first. She was very stressed over the situation with her ex, and worried that she could lose her kids, and they meant everything to her.'



Sarah Wellgreen's partner still baffled how mother-of-five vanished | Daily Mail Online

 

[Alyce]

That's gotta be one of the worst written articles I've ever read in MSM! jmo.

you just beat me to it - not even the most basic research has been done

 

[Alyce]

It’s a completely different thing to move a dead body down the stairs, out of the house with 3 kids in there and without making a single noise or them being alerted. We can all move furniture if need be but try doing that in silence, impossible alone.

My scenario is that he moved SW in a case or box. Of course he ran the risk of alerting one or more of the children but the alternative of leaving a dead body in the house would have been worse. His excuse, if disturbed, would have been he was moving Nerf guns or other equipment. Of course that would have come back to haunt him down the line if he had been seen, but fortunately for him, he was not.

Also, and it may not be relevant, we know from previous msm information that at least one of the bedroom doors had a lock on it.

all the above is MOO of course

 

[deugirtni]

Just catching up.. but...

Well they can't prove he wasn't at home all night. There are other vehicles in the area that could have been caught on that CCTV. Tje flashing light could have been someone else returning. Don't get me wrong, l think he did it, but this is very touch and go imho

There is direct evidence from another occupant in the house that BL was out of the house, at least for some length of time that night. I think the other occupant is old enough to be taken seriously.
The police said ,when they did the reconstruction of the car journey from October 9/10 ,that they were the only car on the road for the whole of the outward and return journey. I would expect the original cctv would also show if there were any other cars on that route on October 9.
I agree the flashing light could have been someone else - but again, I would hope the police have checked the movements of everyone else who was parked in CP2 on that night. It's not a huge car park, wouldn't be too hard to get details.

It was said that when B came home (I think at around 5pm on Oct 9th) and parked in CP#2, that there were something like 8 free spots available in CP#1 - as seen on someone's CCTV? (Is that correct?) - ok nevermind, I think I answered my own question.. there were no cameras on CP#2, is that it? So they couldn't get any footage of whether or not B's vehicle left that spot that night for several hours? Does that sound reasonable, that with allllllll of those townhouse units in that maze of a place, not one home had a camera showing the contents of CP#2?? Or did the police even do their due diligence in checking this out??

 

[Alyce]

16:08
Trial ends for the day
The trial has now ended for the day.

Judge Kinch continued to summarise the evidence heard throughout the case with jurors.

You can recap on all of it below.

Court resumes again at 10am tomorrow (Wednesday, October 23) - be sure to join us in the morning for the latest from the courtroom as the trial nears its conclusion.

Live updates as Sarah Wellgreen's ex-partner goes on trial accused of her murder

 

[GimmeAclueBlue]

I value your opinion but nothing is actually proven in this case. Her running off is a possibility, people have done this before numerous times including women!

There has been people who knew her well in the last 12 months who have been quoted as saying she might have run off! I know you won’t like that but it’s still there on the table.

I don’t know how you you can be so sure she hasn’t run off or left her kids. She lived separately with the two twins and not her 12 year old kid who lived with Ben miles away from NAG. Leaving one behind is very strange!

I dont think leaving the 12 year old was strange at all.....friends, exams, hobbies?? Its hard leaving somewhere at that age.

 

[Mrs Marple]

In the Daily Mail article above it states Sarah just upped and left without a word to anyone. She moved back to Kent with the kids and had taken them out of school without telling anyone. Not even the school. How can we honestly completely rule out her being alive somewhere?

Yes she may have been a good mum but she was also a young mum. She had kids around her feet from her early 20s, and with two 6? year olds she would be doing the school run into her 50s. She wouldn't be the first mum to up and walk never to be heard from again. She had several properties so she was asset rich but possibly cash poor. She has means to do it.

 

[deugirtni]

Am just putting up some of this old article which outlines details re SWs time in Farnham with NJ.
I cannot see any information that says the elder child lived in NAG at that time.

When the boiler at Sarah's Portsmouth home broke, Neil invited her and her three children to stay for Christmas until it could be fixed. 'Her daughter shared bunk beds with mine in one room, and her sons and mine shared another room.

Sarah enrolled her children in the local school,

But there were stresses, too. Neil says Sarah's children were close to their father and missed their old friends back in Kent.

Although spacious, Neil's flat must have felt rather cramped with five young children, who were now part of an instant blended family, and no garden to play in.

The speed with which Sarah and her children moved in with Neil — barely two months after they had met — also heightened disputes with her ex-partner over their children.

The strain and disruption of the to-ing and fro-ing between Kent, Farnham and Portsmouth eventually took its toll.

After almost 18 months together, Sarah suddenly left Neil in May 2018, apparently without warning.

'One morning I had a call at work from the children's school asking where they were. I phoned Sarah and she told me she'd gone. She said she couldn't cope with the situation any more,' says Neil.

'I was heartbroken, but Sarah felt she had to put the children first. She was very stressed over the situation with her ex, and worried that she could lose her kids, and they meant everything to her.'

Sarah Wellgreen's partner still baffled how mother-of-five vanished | Daily Mail Online

There seem to be chunks missing.
I remember being told that NJ had asked S to move in because her boiler was broken 'in Portsmouth'..
We heard sometime during this trial or the MSM leading up to it, that B had 'kicked her out' (this was said by one of S's older sons)..
We heard that when S moved OUT of NJ's place, she went directly back with B at the 'marital home'..
But yet we also heard that she'd been separated from B for 3 years.. from 2015 through 2018?

 

[deugirtni]

you just beat me to it - not even the most basic research has been done

Can't even get their pronouns right. ie he vs she, etc.

 

[deugirtni]

My scenario is that he moved SW in a case or box. Of course he ran the risk of alerting one or more of the children but the alternative of leaving a dead body in the house would have been worse. His excuse, if disturbed, would have been he was moving Nerf guns or other equipment. Of course that would have come back to haunt him down the line if he had been seen, but fortunately for him, he was not.

Also, and it may not be relevant, we know from previous msm information that at least one of the bedroom doors had a lock on it.

all the above is MOO of course

Which bedroom door had a lock on it?? I don't remember anything about that??

 

[Miss Scarlet]

Is there the remotest possibility they’re in it together?
He helps her to ‘disappear’, she gets released from her complicated life, in return he gets custody of the kids. Maybe she has life insurance and they meet up again in Turkey at their property eventually? I don’t think Turkey is a country where they have to co-operate with our police.
Might sound far fetched, but possible...

 

[RosalindaA]

Back in the day before EU regulations I worked with very disabled people in a house with no lifts. We just sat behind or crouched in front of people on the stairs and moved their legs down a step then their bottoms onto the next step using a "bear hug lift". All very quiet and not difficult at all. You just use your own body to contain and protect the person you are moving.
I am sure I could do the same with a deceased body particularly if I had a typical male's strength. We know Lacomba took big risks. At least one of the children was awakened. There have been many cases where children were in the house when crimes were committed, often years later it is found they saw and heard a lot more than they said at the time. They are children and often do not react in the way we might think and should not be expected to.
I don't know if that is the case here but perhaps.

 

[Alyce]

Which bedroom door had a lock on it?? I don't remember anything about that??

Remember the report re BL locking his mother and the children into one of the bedrooms. I'll have a search round and try to find it.

 

[hitthenick]

In the Daily Mail article above it states Sarah just upped and left without a word to anyone. She moved back to Kent with the kids and had taken them out of school without telling anyone. Not even the school. How can we honestly completely rule out her being alive somewhere?

Yes she may have been a good mum but she was also a young mum. She had kids around her feet from her early 20s, and with two 6? year olds she would be doing the school run into her 50s. She wouldn't be the first mum to up and walk never to be heard from again. She had several properties so she was asset rich but possibly cash poor. She has means to do it.

Excellent, when you open her whole life up, it’s a big possibility all what you mentioned.

I personally reckon she was maxed out on the mortgages for those properties, that would explain her two sons having to mortgage the 50k in their name, let’s not forget either that she was once a worker in Lloyd’s TSB bank too.

She has also got lots of contacts abroad and she wasn’t far from Dover ferry port either.

Did they find her passport?

 

[hitthenick]

My scenario is that he moved SW in a case or box. Of course he ran the risk of alerting one or more of the children but the alternative of leaving a dead body in the house would have been worse. His excuse, if disturbed, would have been he was moving Nerf guns or other equipment. Of course that would have come back to haunt him down the line if he had been seen, but fortunately for him, he was not.

Also, and it may not be relevant, we know from previous msm information that at least one of the bedroom doors had a lock on it.

all the above is MOO of course

It would have to be some sort of case I’d have thought.