UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018 #2 *B. Lacomba guilty*

  • #421
My scenario is that he moved SW in a case or box. Of course he ran the risk of alerting one or more of the children but the alternative of leaving a dead body in the house would have been worse. His excuse, if disturbed, would have been he was moving Nerf guns or other equipment. Of course that would have come back to haunt him down the line if he had been seen, but fortunately for him, he was not.

Also, and it may not be relevant, we know from previous msm information that at least one of the bedroom doors had a lock on it.

all the above is MOO of course
According to MSM or KentLive yesterday, S weighed over 180lbs.. how do we figure that body would've fit in a small nerf gun container? Where did B park when he brought the body out of the house? Was it out front, in front of the front door, or was he still parked in CP#2?? B was 5'6" according to reports.. he is also pictured looking pretty overweight in one of the pics from the time shortly after S's disappearance. According to S's reports to a boyfriend, B did nothing around the house, and he drove a car for a living.. he played nerf guns as a hobby.. how do we figure he became in such condition to be able to lift that kind of weight down a flight of stairs, and out the front door, and into a vehicle, without anyone hearing or seeing him??
It is all circumstantial evidence they have against BL.. although circumstantial evidence is just as important as direct evidence.
We have to admit that initially, there were a few on this thread who thought it possible that NJ was a prime suspect, due to circumstances of their relationship at the time, his seeming controlling nature, etc. I wonder if he had been examined under a microscope as BL had been, what circumstantial evidence would they have found there?
Do they really have enough to put BL away for the rest of his life?
NO DNA evidence was found either in the home or in BL's vehicle.
The shoes went missing, but then they returned. Did the police even take them when they reappeared, and have them forensically examined? Even if they had been cleaned, we know from reading other stories that evidence can still be found between stitches, or between upper and sole, etc.
To me, after hearing all this stuff, it makes me think the cops were seriously lax in investigating this case and taking appropriate actions to catch the perp (ie getting search warrants instead of just asking for phones). Nothing said about taking S's mattress for testing, nothing about taking that duvet, or pillow, or pillowcase(s). No comparison on that vehicle evidence to compare against what a 'red' vehicle would look like, in comparison with other colors, when at night and in B&W.
Everyone hates to have the dating/sexual background of the victim talked about, however, these things come into play when a woman disappears or gets murdered, whether we like it or not. There were at least two men who thought S was seeing them exclusively. There were at least three that we know of, who were actively seeing her just before her disappearance. What if there was another one we don't even know about?
I would just hate to see a relatively young father of 3 jailed for the rest of his life, if he didn't kill her.
We heard so little of all of the actual testimony and closings and judge's instructions. I'm hoping these jurors listened very carefully and will deliberate with open minds, and come to their best conclusions, having been present for the whole thing.
 
  • #422
Remember the report re BL locking his mother and the children into one of the bedrooms. I'll have a search round and try to find it.
Yes, I kinda remember that. How terrifying!
 
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  • #425
In the Daily Mail article above it states Sarah just upped and left without a word to anyone. She moved back to Kent with the kids and had taken them out of school without telling anyone. Not even the school. How can we honestly completely rule out her being alive somewhere?

Yes she may have been a good mum but she was also a young mum. She had kids around her feet from her early 20s, and with two 6? year olds she would be doing the school run into her 50s. She wouldn't be the first mum to up and walk never to be heard from again. She had several properties so she was asset rich but possibly cash poor. She has means to do it.

I had my first at 21, I'm now 48 with a 10 year old so I'll be doing the school run in my 50's too ... never once in the last 27 years of being a parent have I thought I'd disappear without a trace, leaving my kids traumatised and their Dad framed for my murder ...

27 Oct 2018 - Ms Wellgreen, who was married twice before meeting Mr Lacomba, had also been ... “Originally the kids stayed with Ben,” Ms Edwards said. “He locked the children in the bedroom with his mother so Sarah couldn't take them.



No trace of Sarah Wellgreen, mother with a tangle of relationships

This speaks volumes to me as to what kind of man he is ... To be locked in a bedroom while mum is outside or arguing with Dad must've been really upsetting for them.
 
  • #426
I had my first at 21, I'm now 48 with a 10 year old so I'll be doing the school run in my 50's too ... never once in the last 27 years of being a parent have I thought I'd disappear without a trace, leaving my kids traumatised and their Dad framed for my murder ...



This speaks volumes to me as to what kind of man he is ... To be locked in a bedroom while mum is outside or arguing with Dad must've been really upsetting for them.

I'm in a similar situation but that doesn't mean that Sarah never thought it.

I agree locking them in a room is awful.
 
  • #427
This speaks volumes to me as to what kind of man he is ... To be locked in a bedroom while mum is outside or arguing with Dad must've been really upsetting for them.


He just might have had a valid reason to lock them inside for their own protection. She seems to just up sticks with these kids as and when she feels like it. Quite unsettling for them really.
 
  • #428
He just might have had a valid reason to lock them inside for their own protection. She seems to just up sticks with these kids as and when she feels like it. Quite unsettling for them really.

Neither of them are blameless in that respect but, Websleuth isn't a parent judging forum ...
 
  • #429
I think the easiest way for him to have moved her down the stairs would have been to wrap her in a duvet and slide her down the steps. I think that would be noiseless with the padding. Maybe he had an old one already prepared for the task and she's buried in it. All he would have to do would be to drag her to the car and he would be bent over, beneath the height of the fence.
 
  • #430
I'm in a similar situation but that doesn't mean that Sarah never thought it.

I agree locking them in a room is awful.


But we've had absolutely no info to suggest, that despite anything else (mental health issues or boyfriends) that this was the case.


No phones, no money, no passport, no clothes no sightings, no cctv of her or anyone seeing her leaving OR any other cars in the area that the police consider dodgy, nothing in a whole year to suggest she's alive.

Lots to suggest she wasn't suicidal or planning to flee abroad - arranging to buy out Ben, securing a new job, her sons birthday party arranged for a few days later, uplifting messages to others ... all imply to me that she wasn't planning suicide or a runner and before anyone says 'well maybe that was part of her plan' - no.
 
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  • #432
I think the easiest way for him to have moved her down the stairs would have been to wrap her in a duvet and slide her down the steps. I think that would be noiseless with the padding. Maybe he had an old one already prepared for the task and she's buried in it. All he would have to do would be to drag her to the car and he would be bent over, beneath the height of the fence.
That's why I would have hoped the police would have forensically examined all of the bedding and the mattress. It makes sense that he might lug her that way.. and no blood evidence, so he just folded it up and stuffed it into a drawer it didn't fit into.. but when she died, if she was strangled, it's possible there were bodily fluids on that duvet. Nothing mentioned in the reporting on the trial about police having taken that duvet, or the mattress for testing. Why not??
 
  • #433
But we've had absolutely no info to suggest, that despite anything else (mental health issues or boyfriends) that this was the case.

No phones, no money, no passport, no clothes no sightings, no cctv of her or anyone seeing her leaving OR any other cars in the area that the police consider dodgy, nothing in a whole year to suggest she's alive.

Lots to suggest she wasn't suicidal or planning to flee abroad - arranging to buy out Ben, securing a new job, her sons birthday party arranged for a few days later, uplifting messages to others ... all imply to me that she wasn't planning suicide or a runner and before anyone says 'well maybe that was part of her plan' - no.
It said she hadn't used the dating apps in the 3 months before her disappearance... which is about the same time she reconnected with NJ after having broken up with him when she moved back into the 'marital home' with BL. Then it also said she had met her two other bfs through dating apps.. so... when did she meet these other two men?? I was thinking there could possibly be yet another man she may have been meeting for the first time, secretly, the night of her disappearance.. but I think that is completely unlikely, considering she didn't take her keys so she could get back into the house, she took no bank cards or anything, so if something went wrong with any such date, she would've been left stranded with no vehicle and no money. Also, I'm assuming she didn't take her ID with her either, if she had left the house on her own accord. OTOH, if police did not have her iphone4, who is to say that there mightn't have been something on there to lead them to another male suitor?? Again, I don't think there was anything said about getting cellphone provider records to see what they could see from them. Shoddy. imo.
 
  • #434
Not wanting to speak for others, but if I had to attend court with a start time of 12 noon, I'd make sure I ate lunch before I went. Surely they wouldn't start at noon to then only be excused for lunch a short time later?
Ok, so silly me. It seems they did in fact call for lunch time-out only half an hour or so after beginning the day? Seems outrageous to me. imo.
 
  • #435
It said she hadn't used the dating apps in the 3 months before her disappearance... which is about the same time she reconnected with NJ after having broken up with him when she moved back into the 'marital home' with BL. Then it also said she had met her two other bfs through dating apps.. so... when did she meet these other two men?? I was thinking there could possibly be yet another man she may have been meeting for the first time, secretly, the night of her disappearance.. but I think that is completely unlikely, considering she didn't take her keys so she could get back into the house, she took no bank cards or anything, so if something went wrong with any such date, she would've been left stranded with no vehicle and no money. Also, I'm assuming she didn't take her ID with her either, if she had left the house on her own accord. OTOH, if police did not have her iphone4, who is to say that there mightn't have been something on there to lead them to another male suitor?? Again, I don't think there was anything said about getting cellphone provider records to see what they could see from them. Shoddy. imo.
Wouldn't you have thought that if BL had pre - planned to bring about Sarah's disappearance that he would have buried her handbag, it's contents, and keys with her?
 
  • #436
According to MSM or KentLive yesterday, S weighed over 180lbs.. how do we figure that body would've fit in a small nerf gun container? Where did B park when he brought the body out of the house? Was it out front, in front of the front door, or was he still parked in CP#2?? B was 5'6" according to reports.. he is also pictured looking pretty overweight in one of the pics from the time shortly after S's disappearance. According to S's reports to a boyfriend, B did nothing around the house, and he drove a car for a living.. he played nerf guns as a hobby.. how do we figure he became in such condition to be able to lift that kind of weight down a flight of stairs, and out the front door, and into a vehicle, without anyone hearing or seeing him??
It is all circumstantial evidence they have against BL.. although circumstantial evidence is just as important as direct evidence.
We have to admit that initially, there were a few on this thread who thought it possible that NJ was a prime suspect, due to circumstances of their relationship at the time, his seeming controlling nature, etc. I wonder if he had been examined under a microscope as BL had been, what circumstantial evidence would they have found there?
Do they really have enough to put BL away for the rest of his life?
NO DNA evidence was found either in the home or in BL's vehicle.
The shoes went missing, but then they returned. Did the police even take them when they reappeared, and have them forensically examined? Even if they had been cleaned, we know from reading other stories that evidence can still be found between stitches, or between upper and sole, etc.
To me, after hearing all this stuff, it makes me think the cops were seriously lax in investigating this case and taking appropriate actions to catch the perp (ie getting search warrants instead of just asking for phones). Nothing said about taking S's mattress for testing, nothing about taking that duvet, or pillow, or pillowcase(s). No comparison on that vehicle evidence to compare against what a 'red' vehicle would look like, in comparison with other colors, when at night and in B&W.
Everyone hates to have the dating/sexual background of the victim talked about, however, these things come into play when a woman disappears or gets murdered, whether we like it or not. There were at least two men who thought S was seeing them exclusively. There were at least three that we know of, who were actively seeing her just before her disappearance. What if there was another one we don't even know about?
I would just hate to see a relatively young father of 3 jailed for the rest of his life, if he didn't kill her.
We heard so little of all of the actual testimony and closings and judge's instructions. I'm hoping these jurors listened very carefully and will deliberate with open minds, and come to their best conclusions, having been present for the whole thing.


Some very good points, well written.
 
  • #437
Neither of them are blameless in that respect but, Websleuth isn't a parent judging forum ...

Again you are dismissing my comments -parent judging forum?? The facts are, she has upped sticks twice with them and that is part of this case and her life, of which we are entitled to study and comment on because unless you know something nobody else does, some of these points just might be very critical and right at the heart of this whole case and quite possibly part of the reason she isn’t around.
 
  • #438
That's why I would have hoped the police would have forensically examined all of the bedding and the mattress. It makes sense that he might lug her that way.. and no blood evidence, so he just folded it up and stuffed it into a drawer it didn't fit into.. but when she died, if she was strangled, it's possible there were bodily fluids on that duvet. Nothing mentioned in the reporting on the trial about police having taken that duvet, or the mattress for testing. Why not??

He would bury her with the duvet as Tortoise said. He would be mad to bring it back and have it around to possibly be forensically tested one day.
 
  • #439
Again you are dismissing my comments -parent judging forum?? The facts are, she has upped sticks twice with them and that is part of this case and her life, of which we are entitled to study and comment on because unless you know something nobody else does, some of these points just might be very critical and right at the heart of this whole case and quite possibly part of the reason she isn’t around.

The facts are that previously, wherever Sarah has gone and with whom, she has ALWAYS taken her children with her and kept contact with all love ones ... so why would she now choose to stage a VERY elaborate disappearing act whilst also framing Ben for murder and causing her loved ones the most horrific trauma ... whilst it might have happened, I think its clearly unlikely.
 
  • #440
The facts are that previously, wherever Sarah has gone and with whom, she has ALWAYS taken her children with her and kept contact with all love ones ... so why would she now choose to stage a VERY elaborate disappearing act whilst also framing Ben for murder and causing her loved ones the most horrific trauma ... whilst it might have happened, I think its clearly unlikely.

I agree it’s not the likeliest os scenarios her disappearing. She had the means to do it though.

It’s said by her oldest son that she had 6 mobile phones. 2 were in the house, Ben had the iPhone 4 allegedly which leaves 3 more phones unaccounted for. She could have taken one of these and had a PAYG sim card, she has two listed addresses, Portsmouth and NAG, she might have had a pseudo bank account with some cash in, a few clothes stashed, nobody would know a few items of clothing missing. But where’s those 3 phones and why haven’t the cops tracked their locations?

She leaves down the side of the house onto church road at 2am, quietly and then down the lane out of the way to meet her lift/man/driver etc. It’s not difficult to leave. Then she needs to get out of the UK, that bit even without a passport is remarkably easy to do. In France now and Europe is in her arms and she can travel freely wherever she wants. She can change her appearance too.

For all anyone knows, she may have had extra dating apps unknown to anyone and she could have had a 4th or 5th guy on the go too.

Staging it, or maybe just getting the hell out of her life regardless. Possibly not wanting to frame him for murder because if she is alive and he gets convicted there’s no way she can come back without her possibly going to jail and him being released.

It’s very complicated for sure, anything is possible, nothing is certain by any means in the whole case, I bet the jury feel the same too and off he walks.
 

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