UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018

[Tortoise]

I'm just trying to think - I don't know which law referred but in the case of Emile Cilliers there were reporting restrictions in regards to identifying the children, but then he was charged with endangering the children. (which reminds me - I don't think we did hear what the verdict was on that charge?) and Sophie Lionnet, I think there was an order in place for both the children but only one had witnessed the bathroom incident, and Ellie Butler's sister was protected by an order - she was interviewed by police but I don't think the videos were used as witness evidence in the trial. It might just be standard procedure to protect the identities of all children in the house, being that they are deemed to be victims?

I suppose they are all witnesses to their father not reporting her missing the first day and it could be what he might have said about mummy not being there.

 

[Tortoise]

[O/T Happy Peaceful and Healthy New Year to all here!]

 

[jessie]

I'm just trying to think - I don't know which law referred but in the case of Emile Cilliers there were reporting restrictions in regards to identifying the children, but then he was charged with endangering the children. (which reminds me - I don't think we did hear what the verdict was on that charge?) and Sophie Lionnet, I think there was an order in place for both the children but only one had witnessed the bathroom incident, and Ellie Butler's sister was protected by an order - she was interviewed by police but I don't think the videos were used as witness evidence in the trial. It might just be standard procedure to protect the identities of all children in the house, being that they are deemed to be victims?

I suppose they are all witnesses to their father not reporting her missing the first day and it could be what he might have said about mummy not being there.

I have no idea why this has been ordered, but it does seem a responsible and necessary restriction in any case. Much has been reported about who was/is caring for the children, and poor little things all this dreadful upheaval they have had to experience so far, how traumatic it must be.
It is possible they have to start new schools in a new area, and far better MSM and social media are prohibited from publicly tracking them and using that information to sell stories (yes, I am very cynical). It could be the new info came from something the children have said, who knows? At least this might help their readjustment as much as possible. OMO

Also O/T I do wish health and happiness in the coming year to all here.

 

[Tortoise]

I don't think the water ever covers the mudflats from this google maps photo, or maybe only in times of exceptionally high river levels. The distance to throw a phone into the water is pretty far, if you use the distance from the camera on that building to the blue play area (is it a paddling pool?) as a comparison.

Google Maps

Google Maps

 

[Tortoise]

I suppose he could have walked down to the other end of Sara Crescent which looks closer to the river.

 

[Tortoise]

The fiance of missing Sarah Wellgreen has made a heartbreaking appeal for her to be 'given back' to him and her children.

[...]

In the Facebook post, Mr James, said: 'Happy New Year everyone and let's hope that it brings everything we want in personal goals and career aspirations.

'The reason for this post is to hopefully help reach the target set on the GoFundme page and help Sarah Jane Wellgreen' s family and most importantly her children through this terrible time and with luck, Sarah will be given back to us and Sarah's children.

'How can we help: if everyone could share this post to your friends and if they also do the same then maybe, just maybe we could get to 50,000 people and if everyone just donated £1 (the cost of a chocolate bar) then we could all get there for them.

Fiance of missing Sarah Wellgreen, 42, makes heartbreaking plea for her to be 'given back' | Daily Mail Online

This seems to settle one of our queries:-

November 1: Marine unit officers search the bank of the River Thames in Greenhithe in a bid to fund [find] her phone.

November 2: Officers force their way through front door of house in Bazes Shaw. Officers say they raided the home after receiving new information.

Sarah's former partner Ben Lacomba

 

[deugirtni]

That pic isn't BL is it?? I thought the words under the pic were referring to the other pic (at least 2 pics had the same words underneath, but to me, only one of the pics had BL's photo).. wouldn't this perhaps be a neighbour or something?? Doesn't look like him at all to me.???

 

[Tortoise]

That pic isn't BL is it?? I thought the words under the pic were referring to the other pic (at least 2 pics had the same words underneath, but to me, only one of the pics had BL's photo).. wouldn't this perhaps be a neighbour or something?? Doesn't look like him at all to me.???

It is him. Maybe it's his glasses that makes him look different, or the other picture is an old one.

 

[Alyce]

Looks like him to me - imagine a baseball cap on his head and you will see the likeness..... one of my rellies is * follically challenged * as he puts it and the difference if he is wearing a hat ( or not ) is remarkable.

 

[deugirtni]

Man, I would make a terrible witness! (Is he wearing her bathrobe??)

 

[Tortoise]

Man, I would make a terrible witness! (Is he wearing her bathrobe??)
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How can you tell it's hers, by the side he has crossed it over in front? Or it just looks feminine maybe.

 

[deugirtni]

How can you tell it's hers, by the side he has crossed it over in front? Or it just looks feminine maybe.

I can't tell it's hers, but... how many men have nice long white bathrobes with hoods, so just asking?

 

[Tortoise]

I can't tell it's hers, but... how many men have nice long white bathrobes with hoods, so just asking?

I think they're pretty unisex, imo.

 

[deugirtni]

I think they're pretty unisex, imo.

Well sure, they ARE, but.. I don't know many guys who do that well with white.

 

[jessie]

Just bumping this thread with a link to the official Sarah Wellgreen Search site. I have not been able to c/p this but here's a link referring to the Plea Hearing this week:
Search for Sarah Wellgreen

 

[iulia]

Missing mum's ex denies murder

The former partner of a woman missing for more than three months has today denied murdering her.

Taxi driver Ben Lacomba, 38, is alleged to have killed mum-of-five Sarah Wellgreen on October 9 last year.
[..]
A trial date was set for June 18 next year. It is expected to last up to four weeks.

 

[Tortoise]

Missing mum's ex denies murder

Thank you iulia.

I hope they mean this year!

 

[Tortoise]

14:06
Ben Lacomba arrives in court
Ben Lacomba has arrived in court. The 38-year-old has a short beard and is wearing glasses, a blue suit with a royal blue tie and a chequered shirt.

14:08
Lacomba is in the dock
Our reporter Will Rider is in court and said there is a “scattering of press” at the hearing.

Lacomba is now in the dock and around “half a dozen or so” are in the public gallery.

14:24
Lacomba to face trial
Discussing the timetable for trial, prosecutor Adam Payter tells the court: “In a case in which the body has not been recovered it may be that further evidence comes to light.”

14:26
Trial date set
The judge confirms the trial is expected to last three to four weeks. It will begin on June 18.

14:43
Lacomba sat emotionless in court
Ben Lacomba sat straight-faced and spoke in a neutral manner only to confirm his name and enter a plea. Our reporter explained that he displayed “no discernible emotion”.

14:47
Judge remands Lacomba in custody
Ben Lacomba will now remain in custody. His next appearance in court before the trial will be on Friday, May 17.

The judge said: “Well Mr Lacomba, the next hearing subject to anything that arises, is on May 17, when steps will be taken to ensure everything in in order for trial commencing on June 18.

“And in the meantime, you will remain in custody.”
Live updates as ex-boyfriend of Sarah Wellgreen appears in court over her murder

 

[Alyce]

Thanks for the updates - did I get it wrong, or was he due in court tomorrow ?

 

[Tortoise]

No - they seem to have held it a day early, but the press were there so they must have been notified in advance.