UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018

[smucklecrumble]

Cops reveal missing mum's disappearance wasn't reported for 24 hours

I fear the ex husband may be responsible, why would you wait 24 hours to report your child’s mother missing. I’m seeing this ending like the watts case. MOO

 

[anonypotomous]

Reminds me of the Crystal Seratte McDowall case.. She still lived with the ex-husband whilst dating another guy. NEVER a good idea..

 

[jessie]

Two months after she disappeared devastated fiancé of mother-of-five Sarah Wellgreen is still baffled how his adored partner could vanish into thin air

Fiancé of Sarah Wellgreen still baffled how his adored partner could vanish into thin air | Daily Mail Online

Thanks for that link jenspired - seems a good informative article.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if police were given her bf Neil's phone to examine to look at messages and such?

 

[jessie]

I wonder if police were given her bf Neil's phone to examine to look at messages and such?

I feel sure they would have examined the phones/texts of all involved.

 

[WiseOwl]

I wonder if police were given her bf Neil's phone to examine to look at messages and such?

The police would have looked at Neil's phone by now plus any other people associated with Sarah; her ex, her sons, family, work colleagues, etc. I might have missed it but has it ever been said what time Sarah last used her phone? Was it Neil's call at 9.24 pm or was there activity on there after this?

 

[jessie]

The police would have looked at Neil's phone by now plus any other people associated with Sarah; her ex, her sons, family, work colleagues, etc. I might have missed it but has it ever been said what time Sarah last used her phone? Was it Neil's call at 9.24 pm or was there activity on there after this?

RBBM - From the reports in MSM Neil's call was the last officially publicised known contact with Sarah.
Since her phone has not been found yet that is all there is to go on.

 

[deugirtni]

Don't kill me for putting forward a different thought. I know it seems obvious that the ex was involved in this. But there is this little niggling in my brain about this, and it keeps getting bigger, every time I read a new article. Please bear with me, as I am just writing my thoughts, and they may not be in order of date or whatever.

Here is the BF... who, reportedly had been going out with SW for 2 years. SW had moved in with him quickly. Then she suddenly up and left, reportedly without notice, and took her kids and went to live with her ex.
The 2 were separated for maybe 3 months.. May - August?
SW's employer says he met both the BF plus another of SW's apparent love interests in August.
In other articles, it said that the *reason* that SW and her BF had split up was *because* she had gone to live with her ex.
Different people have expressed that they thought SW had a new love interest, that she wanted to marry him. A 'new' love interest - would that be someone she'd been with for two years? I don't think so??
It is said in an article that her BF has spoken with all of SW's clients... how on earth would he know who her clients were and how to contact them?? Usually in such a service providing business, clients are confidential information!
The BF tells that he and SW had plans to get married. But yet there seems to be nobody to corroborate that... other than there seem to be people who do say she had a 'new' love who she wanted to marry.
We hear about a Turkish type of younger man.. from more than one source - SW's father I believe, and someone else.... but then her BF says no, that was the BF of SW's friend, and he was merely fixing her house. But yet we don't hear from SW's friend that this is the case.
SW gets a new job offer, which she was reportedly excited about, just before she went missing. I can't remember whereabouts the job was located.
The BF lives a distance away from where SW has been living with her ex.. did I read 90 minutes away??
And reportedly, (according to the BF in the most recent article I believe, which was posted just above)..... when SW had left him back in the summer, she had done so, so that her kids would be closer to her ex, and have more involvement, etc.
But yet... the two were to become married..... but where would they live? He says they had not discussed this yet??? I would think that would be a major issue. Does the BF also own his own flat? If so, would he even consider moving to where SW lived? Obviously SW must have had intention to remain living in that home, since it has been reported that she received a mortgage to buy out her ex.
A little early, when I first started following this case - I read that her BF was 'wealthy'.
Now the BF (same article as posted above, mentioned earlier in my post) tells us that SW was wearing her mother's engagement ring, until they could afford the one they really wanted.
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Okay, so my point in all of this is................ is there any proof that the BF was in fact SW's BF??
Her BF was the one who was first to notice/realize/be concerned about her not responding to her phone, and subsequently brought it to the attention of SW's older sons, and etc. .. going thru a list I suppose, until finally telling the ex, at which time, the ex reportedly informed police... but, again in a more recent article, it says police were not contacted for a couple of days??
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Police, in order to get the contents of text messages and such from the BF's phone, he would have had to have been willing to surrender it to police, and they would have made a copy.. they'd be able to see everything, even probably those that had been deleted. They'd be able to verify any details the BF told about. I doubt if police would have been able to get a warrant to seize it, because there is no reason for a judge to issue a warrant. I'm not sure what the BF does for a living, but would he have been willing to give up his phone so it could be copied?
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Have any of SW's friends ever mentioned to police or media... anything at all to indicate that yes, they were aware that SW was madly in love with her beau of two years, whom she'd got back together with after moving out?
Her father said he wasn't aware they'd gotten back together... so he must have been aware of it in the first place, long ago... so if SW told HIM that she had a new love interest, why would she call it 'new', when he was fully aware for the past 2 years, about the BF?
But then it is also said that the father hadn't spoken to her for months... but maybe when they did speak, it was around the same time..... Sorry, maybe it was the uncle I'm thinking about.
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Anyway, after all of these little niggles.. my mind started to wander.. to wonder if it wasn't possible that the BF came unexpectedly to pick SW up after talking to her on the phone... and just said.. something like.. let's do something wild.. just come as you are, don't even bring your purse, and we'll just go take a drive or something.. and she only brought her phone.
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Where this all falls apart, is when we know the cameras were 'turned off that night'.. but... how do we know they hadn't been turned off for perhaps several nights, or a week or a month or several months? It has never been said about how long the cameras had been turned off.
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Just random wild thoughts..

 

[WiseOwl]

From the BBC site 25 October 2018:

Sarah Wellgreen, 46, was last seen in the Bazes Shaw area of New Ash Green, in Kent, on the evening of 9 October.

Who was it that saw her that evening, and at what time? Was it before or after the call from her boyfriend James at 9.24 pm?

 

[deugirtni]

From the BBC site 25 October 2018:

Sarah Wellgreen, 46, was last seen in the Bazes Shaw area of New Ash Green, in Kent, on the evening of 9 October.

Who was it that saw her that evening, and at what time? Was it before or after the call from her boyfriend James at 9.24 pm?

Interesting point.. it could very well have been *before* that phonecall.
Is there any proof there even *was* such a call... I suppose there would be proof, since a phonecall would show on the records from the cellphone provider (whereas texts won't show what the texts said, but should also show the time a text was sent or received?)
If the BF says he spoke to her at 9;05pm til 9:24pm.. even if there is proof that that phonecall happened, would there be proof of exactly *where* her phone would have been at that time? ie it's possible she and her phone may have been somewhere completely different at that time. She may have told her BF she was in bed already, when she really was somewhere else?
I don't think it has ever said in MSM who it was that last saw her, what time, and exactly where? (I think it said at her area where she lived, but I don't think it has gone so far as to specify it was actually in the home?)

 

[WiseOwl]

Interesting point.. it could very well have been *before* that phonecall.
Is there any proof there even *was* such a call... I suppose there would be proof, since a phonecall would show on the records from the cellphone provider (whereas texts won't show what the texts said, but should also show the time a text was sent or received?)
If the BF says he spoke to her at 9;05pm til 9:24pm.. even if there is proof that that phonecall happened, would there be proof of exactly *where* her phone would have been at that time? ie it's possible she and her phone may have been somewhere completely different at that time. She may have told her BF she was in bed already, when she really was somewhere else?
I don't think it has ever said in MSM who it was that last saw her, what time, and exactly where? (I think it said at her area where she lived, but I don't think it has gone so far as to specify it was actually in the home?)

It's never been said who it was who last saw her and where. As for the Bazes Shaw sighting it hasn't been stated what she was doing there or if she was on her own or with anyone. Police will know all of this of course.

 

[deugirtni]

It's never been said who it was who last saw her and where. As for the Bazes Shaw sighting it hasn't been stated what she was doing there or if she was on her own or with anyone. Police will know all of this of course.

I got the impression from articles that they were searching in the Bazes Shaw area, only because it was a wooded area right near her home, not because she had actually been seen there?
I also read an article that said she was last seen 'leaving' her home.
Police have said she could have walked or been picked up in a vehicle.

 

[deugirtni]

Anyone know what this is? Would it be her ex's girlfriend's home?

It is understood another house in New Ash Green is also being searched as part of the ongoing investigation.
Detectives return to missing Sarah Wellgreen's home 'after tip-off' | Daily Mail Online

 

[deugirtni]

The 46-year-old was last seen leaving the home she shares .. in New Ash Green, Kent.
What happened to Sarah Wellgreen?

The missing woman’s 22-year-old son Lewis Burdett says .. A post on his Facebook page reads: “MISSING!!! My Mum, Sarah Jane Wellgreen hasn’t been seen or heard from since Tuesday night (October 9) ...
“Last seen in New Ash Green Kent,...”
What happened to Sarah Wellgreen?

The mum-of-five, 46, was last seen on the night of October 9 near her home in New Ash Green, Kent,...
Sarah Wellgreen, mum-of-five was last seen in her hometown on October 9
Puzzle as cops say Sarah Wellgreen was not reported missing until TWO days after she was last seen

Sarah was last seen on October 9 at her home ..
Hundreds join search for mum-of-five missing for almost two weeks

The 46-year-old was last seen on 9 October in the Bazes Shaw area of New Ash Green, Kent, where her home is,
Mother of five's disappearance in Kent now being treated as ‘potential murder’

 

[WiseOwl]

The 46-year-old was last seen leaving the home she shares .. in New Ash Green, Kent.
What happened to Sarah Wellgreen?

The missing woman’s 22-year-old son Lewis Burdett says .. A post on his Facebook page reads: “MISSING!!! My Mum, Sarah Jane Wellgreen hasn’t been seen or heard from since Tuesday night (October 9) ...
“Last seen in New Ash Green Kent,...”
What happened to Sarah Wellgreen?

The mum-of-five, 46, was last seen on the night of October 9 near her home in New Ash Green, Kent,...
Sarah Wellgreen, mum-of-five was last seen in her hometown on October 9
Puzzle as cops say Sarah Wellgreen was not reported missing until TWO days after she was last seen

Sarah was last seen on October 9 at her home ..
Hundreds join search for mum-of-five missing for almost two weeks

The 46-year-old was last seen on 9 October in the Bazes Shaw area of New Ash Green, Kent, where her home is,
Mother of five's disappearance in Kent now being treated as ‘potential murder’

Thanks for this info. So The Week says Sarah was last seen LEAVING HOME on 9 October, The Mirror says she was last seen AT HOME on 9 October and The Independent says she was last seen in the BAZES SHAW AREA on 9 October. No doubt these reports of her last sighting have come from 3 different witnesses, but we still don't know which of these was the last time anyone saw Sarah.

 

[deugirtni]

One case I followed... the wife had 'disappeared'.. I forget now what she took with her, it wasn't much.. I think she may have left her cellphone, taken her keys, but not her vehicle. MSM only ever said that she was 'last seen leaving her home'.. it didn't say by whom, but it was always presumed that it had been by her husband. After x long (I forget how long it was), and no idea how they eventually discovered it.. LE discovered hubby had killed her and buried her in the back yard. No idea how they didn't find her in the first days. (freshly dug up earth, presumably?? Not sure if a search of the home was actually done though).

I think saying she was last seen in the Bazes Shaw area could also mean she was last seen at her home. For some reason LE seems to be very interested in her ex whom she lived with. Too bad we can't know what his story was, for when was last time he saw her, and why was he not concerned when she wasn't there to see the kids off to school, even if she wasn't the one tasked with taking them there that morning. Also would love to know the story behind the cameras being turned off.

 

[jessie]

I fear the ex husband may be responsible, why would you wait 24 hours to report your child’s mother missing. I’m seeing this ending like the watts case. MOO

Helen Bailey's killer husband waited 4 days before reporting her missing. Again only prompted by other relatives to do so (IIRC).
Poor Helen in a cess tank and was it Shannan Watts case where the children were put in oil tanks? Killers are bl***y awful in their disposable methods. I think being on WS we need a total separation from how 'normal' people act. We'll never understand them imo.

 

[deugirtni]

Helen Bailey's killer husband waited 4 days before reporting her missing. Again only prompted by other relatives to do so (IIRC).
Poor Helen in a cess tank and was it Shannan Watts case where the children were put in oil tanks? Killers are bl***y awful in their disposable methods. I think being on WS we need a total separation from how 'normal' people act. We'll never understand them imo.

Yes, the 'calling police' thing/timing seems to be a frequent issue in these cases where it was the spouse/person-living-with. In the case I mentioned, it was the woman's family who called. In this case, I think we've been told two different things about the timing of that call? Was it two days later? And only because the BF was pushing? Also, interesting that police did not 'arrest' the ex until the 16th? Something in between time of report, and the 16th, they must've come across something to make them believe he did something? Wonder what they found? Otherwise, they would've just arrested him to bring hiim in for questioning on day #1? jmo.

 

[deugirtni]

Just as an aside... not sure how it is over there in UK.. but here... if we were to call police to report a person missing... they would come and search the home.. IF the person calling lived in the same residence as the missing person. So say I report my husband missing, police will come to my home and they will physically look for him in my home, and fill out a missing persons report with me. However, if my next door neighbour were suspicious about why my husband wasn't home, and they were the ones to call police to do the missing persons report, police would not have the right to search through either their home, or my home, unless they had permission or a warrant. If these perps are aware of that, could this be why some of them aren't the ones to make that call?

 

[WiseOwl]

Yes, the 'calling police' thing/timing seems to be a frequent issue in these cases where it was the spouse/person-living-with. In the case I mentioned, it was the woman's family who called. In this case, I think we've been told two different things about the timing of that call? Was it two days later? And only because the BF was pushing? Also, interesting that police did not 'arrest' the ex until the 16th? Something in between time of report, and the 16th, they must've come across something to make them believe he did something? Wonder what they found? Otherwise, they would've just arrested him to bring hiim in for questioning on day #1? jmo.

Maybe they looked at her ex's phone and it had pinged in certain areas on the couple of days before she was reported missing? Or maybe one of the three children living in the home (possibly the eldest one) had said they had seen/heard their dad leave the house late that Tuesday night or in the early hours of the Wednesday morning? JMOO