UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018

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  • #161
@ WiseOwl - I thought it was Mr Lacomba senior's wife Marilyn who was living there and looking after the children (their grannie)?
So, she got back with bf N in July (broke up in May I think) but apparently the children were enrolled in the village primary school in Kent in July which is why she stayed there and I think spent weekends with bf N? So I wonder how long they had been at schooling in Kent? July - Sept is school holiday time surely so had they changed schools in May from Farnham to New Ash Green when she left bf N and moved back in with ex, or were they always with their father in Kent and schooling there?

Yes you are correct Jessie, the Daily Mail quoted Mr Lacomba's wife but i think they meant Mr Lacomba Senior's wife!

Good question about the children, i did read somewhere that her BF said it was crowded when they all stayed at his flat but maybe this was in the school holidays? Also it doesn't mention the eldest child who is 12 (i think) and who would be at Secondary school now of course.
 
  • #162
It is complicated - have drawn myself a little flow chart :confused:

So the younger children were 4 and 10 when she moved them over to Farnham - probably not a huge schooling problem for the little ones, but not great for the 10 year old.
Then moved back to Kent in May 2018 - elder child is 12 and presumably just moved up to secondary school, so had to switch schools mid term.

All friend comments I have read re SW say she was a devoted mother - so must have been something quite drastic to disrupt child's schooling and move in such a hurry.

Leanne Edwards, BLs girlfriend in 2015, is also a friend/pal of SW, and met up with her a few days before she vanished - at which time SW apparently made it clear to LE that she didnt want any connection with BL.
Not sure that means anything, I just found it interesting as the name comes up twice.
 
  • #163
Timeline

2015 BL on Judge Rinder to get money for custody case. Twins 2, son 9/10. Sarah in Portsmouth, gf looking after his 3 children?
12/2016 Sarah moves in with NJ in Surrey. Enrolls children in local schools. Twins 4, son 11. She has custody?
2017 Sarah still with NJ in Surrey. Twins 5, son 11/12. She has custody?
5/2018 Sarah moves back in with BL because of custody worries/children missing father & friends/travel stresses/split in relationship. Twins 6, son 12.
 
  • #164
Just pulling together a few quotes -

But six months ago, she moved back in with cab driver Ben, with friends saying the couple wanted to bring up the children together.

Martin Prus, 46, her manager at Puresun Hair and Beauty Centre in Portsmouth, told The Sun this week:
They were sharing the children, that’s what I know.

According to one neighbour, Sarah moved back in with Ben after she split up with a boyfriend.
She said: “For him to have her back is kind.

Does the complicated love life of mum-of-five hold key to her disappearance?


Sarah enrolled her children in the local school,' says Neil [snip].
But there were stresses, too. Neil says Sarah's children were close to their father and missed their old friends back in Kent.

The strain and disruption of the to-ing and fro-ing between Kent, Farnham and Portsmouth eventually took its toll.

After almost 18 months together, Sarah suddenly left Neil in May 2018, apparently without warning.

'One morning I had a call at work from the children's school asking where they were. I phoned Sarah and she told me she'd gone. She said she couldn't cope with the situation any more,' says Neil.

'I was heartbroken, but Sarah felt she had to put the children first. She was very stressed over the situation with her ex, and worried that she could lose her kids, and they meant everything to her.'

Sarah Wellgreen's partner still baffled how mother-of-five vanished | Daily Mail Online

Thank you for this Tortoise, very complicated indeed! The strange thing is why she suddenly left her BF to move back to Kent without letting him know first? It was a big decision to make, it just seems odd to leave like that without telling him her plans.
 
  • #165
I was typing while you made your post Alyce. Hope I haven't doubled up on your info, if I have it wasn't intentional!
 
  • #166
So if her son was 13 on October 11th, he would probably have started secondary school (year 7) in Sept 2017 age 11 a month before his 12th birthday. He would have gone into year 8 in Sept 2018.
 
  • #167
It is complicated - have drawn myself a little flow chart :confused:

So the younger children were 4 and 10 when she moved them over to Farnham - probably not a huge schooling problem for the little ones, but not great for the 10 year old.
Then moved back to Kent in May 2018 - elder child is 12 and presumably just moved up to secondary school, so had to switch schools mid term.

All friend comments I have read re SW say she was a devoted mother - so must have been something quite drastic to disrupt child's schooling and move in such a hurry.

Leanne Edwards, BLs girlfriend in 2015, is also a friend/pal of SW, and met up with her a few days before she vanished - at which time SW apparently made it clear to LE that she didnt want any connection with BL.
Not sure that means anything, I just found it interesting as the name comes up twice.

Well done for spotting this Alyce! So LE was BL's girlfriend back in 2015 when they concocted the story for the Judge Rinder show and he needed the money for the custody battle. Then in 2018 she's Sarah's friend, meeting up for a coffee 3 days before she disappeared. So was 2015 the year they split up and who had custody of the children at the time? If it was BL did LE help look after the children with him? Was he still at the home and Sarah had moved out, if so where was she living at the time?
 
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Just reading back through old articles.

Presume this confirms where NJ was on the night of October 8 - although the child is only 3.

A divorced father of two children — a son, nine, and a girl aged three — Neil says his daughter was staying with him on the night of his last conversation with Sarah, and keeps asking about her.

Sarah Wellgreen's partner still baffled how mother-of-five vanished | Daily Mail Online
Yes, maybe it's best I keep my hands off the keyboard about that.

It looks to me as if Sarah had been making some long term decisions after her split with NJ. A new mortgage, a better paid job and new schools. And NJ is talking a lot.

I will say one thing further, he expressed concern people might think she is a "floozy". Was that his thought when she was dating?
 
  • #170
Does anyone have a link for info regarding the new job offer Sarah received and accepted just prior to her disappearance? I wanted to see where exactly the new job was located.
 
  • #171
But why didn't her EX report her missing? She was living at the same house as him and took the kids to school of a morning. One of the last sightings was of Sarah on the Tuesday morning taking the kids to school, so what was his explanation of why she didn't take them on the Wednesday? Did any of the parents ask where Sarah was and what did he tell them? Her car was parked at home so didn't he wonder where she was? Surely he would of contacted somebody to ask where she was, if only for the kids sake?

The last sighting of Sarah was on the Tuesday evening in the Bazes Shaw area of New Ash Green but we don't know who seen her or what time it was. Was she on her own or with someone? In her car or on foot?

So many questions!
It *could* have gone something like this:

It was the ex's turn to take the kids to school... SK never came down from her bedroom... her car still in the driveway.. perhaps he assumed she was simply sleeping in? And after dropping the kids off at school... perhaps he just went on with his day's business, whatever that might have been... he may not have even been aware that SW was 'missing'. Then later, the kids get picked up from school (presumably again by the ex).. he arrives home, and sees SW's vehicle in the driveway still.. but no SW in the house.. he could easily have figured she just simply went out with a friend in the friend's vehicle. He may not have had a clue that she never exited from her bedroom all day. But at some point, I'm sure the kids would have gone into SW's bedroom to find nobody there, and by then SW's BF was calling their dad and ex clients and her grown sons and etc. From the ex's perspective, he may have wondered why the BF was making a big deal, since to him, she could have been in her bedroom all night, slept in, went out with friends during the day, and wasn't really missing at all. I believe it was the following day (this would also be SW's turn at taking the kids to school), when he reported her missing, because by then, it would have been clear that she in fact *was* missing.

Not to defend her ex, but I can see the above happening and how it might not have seemed weird at all from his perspective, UNTIL the following morning when she obviously didn't show up to escort the kids to school on her 'turn'.
 
  • #172
Does anyone have a link for info regarding the new job offer Sarah received and accepted just prior to her disappearance? I wanted to see where exactly the new job was located.
I haven't seen any detail about the new job. All the articles I've seen say she received a new job offer the day before but not what the job was or where.
 
  • #173
I haven't really understood these living arrangements. Did her younger children live in Portsmouth with her as I read she was working full time when there? Then did they all move in with bf in Farnham? I did read bf N say she just left suddenly with the children. But then there was an article in MSM about ex's mother moving out of New Ash Green house shortly after SW returned to live there? At that time I'd assumed ex's mother was living with ex to help care for the children as they were there with their dad? Clearly I have missed something somewhere.
I read a big article which quoted SW's BF, N saying she had moved in with him, along with her 3 kids, just before Christmas, when he had offered her a place to stay because something was wrong with her boiler. She ended up staying. He outlined the sleeping arrangements of the whole lot of them, and how the kids shared rooms. It said SW enrolled them in his local school.

Everything rosey bliss.. until one day, she secretly leaves, along with her kids, while he is at work. He finds out from the school that they didn't attend, and so he calls SW to find out what's up. She tells him she's moving back in with her ex because she can't take all of the stuff surrounding the ex/visitation/court/whatever. The two of them broke up. This happened in May 2018.

Then N says they got back together in July, a couple of months later... he said he loved her and 'she realized she still loved him'.. which is a weird thing to say, IF she had only left because of the complications surrounding the kids and her ex? What would that have to do with whether or not she loved N? It seems perfectly understandable how all of that turmoil would have gotten to her, with lugging the kids so far away to visit their dad, having to work weekends in yet another location which was far from both her marital home and N's home, an ex who was after custody of her kids, etc. But again, what does that have to do with her love of N, and why could she not share her burdens with him... surely he would have understood her position? Most women will stop at nothing to keep her kids in her custody. (moo).

Then it sounds like SW moved back into the marital home with her ex, but not as a partner, just to make life simpler. It sounds like the ex's mom moved in too at that point, to help care for the kids while the adults worked, when needed... but it was said that 'Grandma' had a falling out or something with SW and so that arrangement ended and Grandma moved out.
 
  • #174
It is complicated - have drawn myself a little flow chart :confused:

So the younger children were 4 and 10 when she moved them over to Farnham - probably not a huge schooling problem for the little ones, but not great for the 10 year old.
Then moved back to Kent in May 2018 - elder child is 12 and presumably just moved up to secondary school, so had to switch schools mid term.

All friend comments I have read re SW say she was a devoted mother - so must have been something quite drastic to disrupt child's schooling and move in such a hurry.

Leanne Edwards, BLs girlfriend in 2015, is also a friend/pal of SW, and met up with her a few days before she vanished - at which time SW apparently made it clear to LE that she didnt want any connection with BL.
Not sure that means anything, I just found it interesting as the name comes up twice.
Alyce can you find a link for the info that Leanne and SW were friends? I don't believe I've come across that article. (Also the fact she didn't want any connection with SW's ex!)
 
  • #175
My posts got out of whack when I read that same article about SW having moved in with both her ex and his wife... people here corrected me and said they thought it was an error and that it was really the ex's mother.. which, after researching, I discovered was indeed the case. (I read a quote from the ex's mother I believe). Anyway, my computer ended up losing everything I had been working on (does anyone else hate Windows10 and how it reboots whenever it feels like it????), and I lost my stamina to rediscover and requote everything I'd been working on.
 
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Actually I've just read that the Judge Rinder appearance was in 2015. So I don't know how it ties into the fact of Sarah moving back in with her ex this year, or their custody battle which I had assumed took place this year.

Ben Lacomba appears on Judge Rinder in 2015 appealing for more money from his child’s carer Leanne

Missing mum's ex 'faked rent row on Judge Rinder' to fund a custody battle
It seems that from way back in 2015, the 'ex' had his mind set to seek custody of the kids. He may not have had a leg to stand on, but he wanted to pursue it and raise funds for a lawyer. Perhaps it had already gone to court, and the visitation and custody and support arrangements had already been laid out? But I remember reading that once SW moved in with N, her ex had issue with that, and how quickly she had moved the kids in with this new boyfriend, when she had really just met him not too long before moving in. So that could perhaps have re-fuelled his efforts to once again seek custody - he may not have had a reason the first time, but figured this was 'cause' to get custody if he could prove poor decision-making from SW? He (the ex) probably tormented her during the time she lived with N, so much so, that she ended up giving up and thinking, okay, well I'll show him, and I'll go live in the same house, and see how he likes THAT... (since the home belonged to both of them). Is that possible?
 
  • #178
Just reading back through old articles.

Presume this confirms where NJ was on the night of October 8 - although the child is only 3.

A divorced father of two children — a son, nine, and a girl aged three — Neil says his daughter was staying with him on the night of his last conversation with Sarah, and keeps asking about her.

Sarah Wellgreen's partner still baffled how mother-of-five vanished | Daily Mail Online
I found that interesting as well. N says only the his 3 year old was with him that night. Too young to be counted on as a reliable witness. It also suggests that the 3 and 9 year olds may have two different moms, since why wouldn't they both visit at same times? Then I start thinking.... if N had two exes, which resulted in two separate children, is he difficult to get along with? We haven't really heard much about N, other than from him himself.
 
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