UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018

[Alyce]

“I texted her like yesterday but I didn’t (call her) because I saw the phones there I thought there’s no point me phoning her cause all her phones are here.”


So this is puzzling me. We have not been told that there were any other devices missing from the home, so how did BL think SW would pick up a text ?
Also he says all her phones are here - were we told there was more than one phone ?

 

[deugirtni]

Thanks Alyce.

What are you having? A nice Ham Salad for me.

.....it all sounds a bit hectic doesnt it. Makes me feel uneasy and claustrophobic, all the texts, whatsapp, email, FB, calls etc. There mustve been some concern for her safety I think , before the events took place?
Why be so intensly concerned, NJ, Joe Eleini, Mother etc..after such a short period of non communication?
Even if its out of character to be out of touch for 8-10 hours or so, it still seems intense, unless concerns were prevalent??

Edit: Sp

Unless it was just simply a common occurrence for her to be in communication with these people on a regular ongoing, everyday basis?

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

“I texted her like yesterday but I didn’t (call her) because I saw the phones there I thought there’s no point me phoning her cause all her phones are here.”


So this is puzzling me. We have not been told that there were any other devices missing from the home, so how did BL think SW would pick up a text ?
Also he says all her phones are here - were we told there was more than one phone ?

I think he is claiming that he realised her devices were at home after the text? So claimimg either the text alerted him or he came across them by chance after the text?

I think there was a ref to SW phone and a ( something) , in an article earlier in thread. I remember because I saw it and didnt know what the other thing was. Will look and see if I can find

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Unless it was just simply a common occurrence for her to be in communication with these people on a regular ongoing, everyday basis?

Yeah, i thought that Deu, but even so...its a bit alarmist still?

 

[deugirtni]

14:47 Andy Robinson

999 call read out to court
Neil James made heartbreaking appeals for Sarah Wellgreen to come home (Image: Neil James/Facebook)
Lacomba proceeds to give the details of Miss Wellgreen’s boyfriend Neil James who had texted Lacomba at 8.14pm the night before, telling the taxi driver: “We’re all worried and so if you could let us know if you’ve seen her or me and her mum are going to have to start a police search as it’s been 24 hours”.

He did not reply to this message. Later on in the call, he goes on to claim Neil James, “doesn’t trust” Miss Wellgreen and is “really paranoid about her”.

The taxi driver also claimed Mr James had put a “tracker” on the 46-year-old’s phone and described one of Mr James’ exes as “stalking” Miss Wellgreen whenever she stayed at his home in Farnham, Surrey.

He added that he also reported his own “stalker” Nikki Docherty, who he described as a “one night thing” from February 2017, to the police but then Miss Wellgreen became friends with her through Facebook. The taxi driver described this as “a bit concerning”.

 

[deugirtni]

15:11Andy Robinson
Evidence from PC Rachel Manley - the response officer sent to their house

Police await jurors outside 22 Bazes Shaw, the shared home of Ben Lacomba and Sarah Wellgreen (Image: Jim Bennett)

PC Manley, a response officer at Swanley police station, was sent to the house on patrol and is giving evidence.

She arrives at 11.10am on October 11 alone in uniform.

Marilyn Lacomba answers the door

Ben was also there and “greeted me in the living room” she tells jurors

“They were adamant that I was not to speak in front of his child about why I was there”.

“They put a coat on the child and said that Marilyn was taking the child out. I sat at the kitchen table until the mum left.

“It was made clear that I was there to take initial details about the disappearance of Sarah.

“Ben seemed calm, was talking openly with me, he seemed relaxed.

“He said that although they were not together and had not been together for some time, they had a comfortable relationship to co-parent.

“Mr Lacomba told me that he believed Sarah wanted to get back in a relationship and he did not see that as an option.

“He stated that the last time he saw Sarah was between 8pm and 9pm after they put the children to bed together.

“He said that she was happy. I asked him specifically if they had any sort of disagreement or argument and he said he had not.

“He said he did not know why she would have left

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I think he is claiming that he realised her devices were at home after the text? So claimimg either the text alerted him or he came across them by chance after the text?

I think there was a ref to SW phone and a ( something) , in an article earlier in thread. I remember because I saw it and didnt know what the other thing was. Will look and see if I can find

“I texted her like yesterday but I didn’t (call her) because I saw the phones there I thought there’s no point me phoning her cause all her phones are here.”


So this is puzzling me. We have not been told that there were any other devices missing from the home, so how did BL think SW would pick up a text ?
Also he says all her phones are here - were we told there was more than one phone ?

This from an earlier posted report...


Sarah left behind an Apple iPhone 4 and an Alcatel - Lacomba was using this iPhone to try and show messages to officers.


Eta. Alcatel Mobile - Wikipedia

 

[deugirtni]

Yeah, i thought that Deu, but even so...its a bit alarmist still?

I think it depends.. it's normal for 'couples' to text back and forth during the day - if one of them was not responding one day, and no disagreement had happened prior, then I think it would be normal for them to be concerned to not hear back for some.. 9 hours? And her mom.. if she may have previously made some kind of plan to talk to her that day but it didn't happen, then she could be concerned too, and then when Neil and the mom got talking together and they each realized she wasn't responding to either of them.. all the more reason?
Meanwhile.. for someone who doesn't text all that often, or who it living with their partner already, it may not have much significance. imo.

 

[Alyce]

DBM

 

[deugirtni]

“I texted her like yesterday but I didn’t (call her) because I saw the phones there I thought there’s no point me phoning her cause all her phones are here.”

So this is puzzling me. We have not been told that there were any other devices missing from the home, so how did BL think SW would pick up a text ?
Also he says all her phones are here - were we told there was more than one phone ?

Some people have an app on their computer/laptop/tablet(?) that can make all texts to the phone go to the computer/laptop.. if she had one (laptop perhaps?) at work or something, it is possible?

 

[Alyce]

This from an earlier posted report...


Sarah left behind an Apple iPhone 4 and an Alcatel - Lacomba was using this iPhone to try and show messages to officers.


Eta. Alcatel Mobile - Wikipedia

Thanks SVS, that makes sense. He sends a text then realises her phones are in the house, so no point to do anything else, such as make a call.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I think it depends.. it's normal for 'couples' to text back and forth during the day - if one of them was not responding one day, and no disagreement had happened prior, then I think it would be normal for them to be concerned to not hear back for some.. 9 hours? And her mom.. if she may have previously made some kind of plan to talk to her that day but it didn't happen, then she could be concerned too, and then when Neil and the mom got talking together and they each realized she wasn't responding to either of them.. all the more reason?
Meanwhile.. for someone who doesn't text all that often, or who it living with their partner already, it may not have much significance. imo.

Yeah fair points.

None of them were living intimately with her though at that point? In same house, joint routines, etc. Even the two male 'interests' were not full on 24/7 relationships at that point? So I think youre correct but I do find it overbearing from them all ( ironically , they had right to be!!)

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Thanks SVS, that makes sense. He sends a text then realises her phones are in the house, so no point to do anything else, such as make a call.

I think thats what hes claiming Alyce. True or not.

 

[Alyce]

I think it depends.. it's normal for 'couples' to text back and forth during the day - if one of them was not responding one day, and no disagreement had happened prior, then I think it would be normal for them to be concerned to not hear back for some.. 9 hours? And her mom.. if she may have previously made some kind of plan to talk to her that day but it didn't happen, then she could be concerned too, and then when Neil and the mom got talking together and they each realized she wasn't responding to either of them.. all the more reason?
Meanwhile.. for someone who doesn't text all that often, or who it living with their partner already, it may not have much significance. imo.

But they were not a couple - he was an on / off boyfriend and she was in contact with and seeing other men.

I agree re her mum, if they had made some kind of meet up arrangement or if it was normal for her to call or text mum each day, then that would be out of the ordinary.


( just to add, if my OH texted and called me throughout the day it would drive me nuts, but that's just me )

 

[deugirtni]

If BL 'did it', it would've been important for him to send that initial text showing concern, because at the time, he shouldn't have yet been aware that S's phones were in her bedroom. This gave him the cover story that he was concerned about why she wasn't there to get the kids off to school, which would be the 'normal' thing to do in that circumstance. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

But they were not a couple - he was an on / off boyfriend and she was in contact with and seeing other men.

I agree re her mum, if they had made some kind of meet up arrangement or if it was normal for her to call or text mum each day, then that would be out of the ordinary.

( just to add, if my OH texted and called me throughout the day it would drive me nuts, but that's just me )

I don't think we *know* at this point whether or not they were a couple? (Talking about NJ and Sarah.) We've only heard diff things.. according to NJ, they were very much a couple. They still could've been a couple with her texting other guys - there is nothing to suggest intimacy between her and the other guys.

I'm not sure what OH means.. but yes, I agree, if a couple is actually already living together/married, then it would be super annoying.. but don't forget.. Neil only texted her a few times, hours apart, but only because she had not yet responded. I do think *that* is normal. He'd be wondering why he hadn't heard back from her yet. It did seem that he gave her adequate time to respond before texting again.

 

[deugirtni]

Yeah fair points.

None of them were living intimately with her though at that point? In same house, joint routines, etc. Even the two male 'interests' were not full on 24/7 relationships at that point? So I think youre correct but I do find it overbearing from them all ( ironically , they had right to be!!)

I think if one of them *had* been living intimately with her, then there would be much less texting, ie NJ wouldn't have to text her in the morning to see how she is, since he would already know, etc.

 

[deugirtni]

15:25Andy Robinson
PC Manley's evidence continues: 'He was very persistent in trying to show me messages'
“He said he got up out of bed and noticed that Sarah’s bedroom door was open and she was not in the bedroom. He got the children ready for school and carried on with his daily activities.

“Mr Lacomba said he found that strange (the fact her car was still outside) as she wouldn’t normally go anywhere without her vehicle.

“He said when he returned he realised she was still not at the address so he sent her a text message. He did not get a response.

“On numerous occasions, Mr Lacomba was looking through mobile phones. He was very persistent in trying to show me messages Sarah had been sending to other people.

“He tried to show them to me a number of times - three to four times. He said he had looked through them on that day prior to my arrival. He found them in her bedroom.

“He said that he was worried and wanted to see if he could get any clues to find out where she might be.

“He stated on numerous occasions that he believed she was messaging other men.

“He mentioned Neil James, who he said was her current partner, and a man by the name of Joe and a man by the name of Anthony.

“Mr Lacomba told me that he had CCTV at the address but that when he woke the next morning, it was switched off.

“He told me he believed Sarah switched it off because she would not want him to see who she was going out with.

“Mr Lacomba was still calm and speaking quite fluently. We were having normal chit chat conversation throughout.

“He said she would absolutely not have left the children.”

 

[deugirtni]

In testimony above, it is reported that BL told the officer NJ was her 'current partner', but also made sure to tell the officer (repeatedly apparently) that S was screwing around on him, 'sort of thing'.
Interesting that right away, he is trying to pin her disappearance on the fact that she perhaps had a few 'suitors'. (I don't even know where that word came from!)

 

[deugirtni]

15:35 Andy Robinson
PC Manley's evidence continues: Search of Sarah Wellgreen's bedroom and the car

Police searched the home in Bazes Shaw after Sarah's disappearance (Image: Jim Bennett)

Mr Lacomba was “standing at the doorway” when PC Manley went to look in Sarah’s bedroom.

Mr Lacomba told PC Manley that a children’s blanket was on the bed because Ben’s mum Marilyn had stayed in Sarah’s room on the night of October 10

Car keys were found in her “relatively empty” handbag. Lacomba said the car keys also had keys to the property on the same keyring which he described as “strange” as she wouldn’t be able to get back into the address.

A purse was also found on the bedside cabinet which “did not have a lot in it”.

PC Manley had noticed a Lloyds Bank app on her phone and looked for a card in her purse but there were no debit cards.

The officer and Lacomba looked in every room in the house and stepped into the shed. She then looked into her car while Lacomba stood behind her.

“I told him that as part of my role and why I was there I would need to search the car for clues as to where Sarah would be.” PC Manley said she did not expect Lacomba to come with her at that point.

The Lloyds bank card was in the front of the car. Sarah had a lot of beautician items in her boot with a suitcase to the right “that didn’t seem to match up with the rest of the car.”