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I agree that the evidence is probably a lot more compelling than what has been reported.
Fully expecting a guilty verdict now.
Fully expecting a guilty verdict now.
GUILTY UK - Shana Grice, 19, murdered at her Brighton home, 25 Aug 2016
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Michael Lane, was right to fear he would be blamed, his defence counsel Simon Russell Flint QC said.
Mr Russell Flint told Lewes Crown Court the defendant did have a history with Miss Grice, but it was "not of violence or causing her harm".
In closing arguments, Mr Russell Flint said: "Michael Lane was and still is an easy target. He was right, we suggest, to be scared the finger of blame would be pointed at him.
"He did not subject her to the brutal and callous attack which someone subjected her to on that morning."
He added: "From that first hour after Shana's death, the police believed they had got their man so they didn't even bother to consider anyone else."
Prosecuting, Philip Bennetts QC asked jurors to decide if Mr Lane was "an innocent man who was panicked or a lying, manipulative killer".
Mr Bennetts told jurors Mr Lane had said Miss Grice "would pay" for what she had done, and he added: "She did, with her life, at his hands."
Judge Mr Justice Green told the jury: "You are not here to like or dislike Michael Lane.
"You are also not here to form a personal view about Shana's behaviour. You are here to form an objective view about the evidence."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-39344033
Mr Russell Flint told Lewes Crown Court the defendant did have a history with Miss Grice, but it was "not of violence or causing her harm".
In closing arguments, Mr Russell Flint said: "Michael Lane was and still is an easy target. He was right, we suggest, to be scared the finger of blame would be pointed at him.
"He did not subject her to the brutal and callous attack which someone subjected her to on that morning."
He added: "From that first hour after Shana's death, the police believed they had got their man so they didn't even bother to consider anyone else."
Prosecuting, Philip Bennetts QC asked jurors to decide if Mr Lane was "an innocent man who was panicked or a lying, manipulative killer".
Mr Bennetts told jurors Mr Lane had said Miss Grice "would pay" for what she had done, and he added: "She did, with her life, at his hands."
Judge Mr Justice Green told the jury: "You are not here to like or dislike Michael Lane.
"You are also not here to form a personal view about Shana's behaviour. You are here to form an objective view about the evidence."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-39344033
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I've just finished reading all the posts, I think and there are BIG HOLES in this story. Although there is every possibility that ML is innocent (stranger things have happened) he has not helped his case in anyway by changing his story over and over. Some points I noticed, and please let me know if I missed something,
1. AFAIK, we have only ML's word that they had sex at the hotel when they met to break up.
2 Who carries a t-shirt around in their hand "just in case?" IN a backpack maybe, but not just in your hand while you're out walking around.
3. If you had time to take multiple showers, go to two different convenience stores for ridiculous reasons and go by your ex-girlfriend's house - who doesn't want anything to do with you - then you could have been visiting your grandmother before your dentist appt for a little longer visit instead of all this wandering around.
4. If they didn't find petrol on him or his clothes or in the room, there are still plenty of things in the house to start a fire with. Depending on what the carpet and bedspread were made out of, they could have smoldered for a while before smoke was noticed.
5. I don't buy the petrol purchase to commit suicide because he was despondent over the death of his grandfather - looks to me like his plate was full of stuff to worry about. That statement felt like it was just kind of thrown in there.
6. We're still missing who called who to check on SG, why and when. IF AC was suspicious and jealous, he could have done it. IF AC was worried about her because ML had been lurking around, that's understandable too. If AC was listed as her emergency contact, that would have been the first person they called if she was late and not answering her phone. Maybe everyone thought she had car trouble at first.
7. The DNA on her body does not mean he had sex with her two days prior and it does not mean she was alive when it was deposited. Ick, I know, but true.
It is possible that ML is innocent and is just a poor victim of really bad karma and circumstance. Personally I doubt it, but it could happen. And it could be - like an old movie - the person you least expect is the bad guy. The fact remains, regardless of her love life, she was murdered. In her home.
All of the above is strictly my own opinion and I could be completely wrong.
1. AFAIK, we have only ML's word that they had sex at the hotel when they met to break up.
2 Who carries a t-shirt around in their hand "just in case?" IN a backpack maybe, but not just in your hand while you're out walking around.
3. If you had time to take multiple showers, go to two different convenience stores for ridiculous reasons and go by your ex-girlfriend's house - who doesn't want anything to do with you - then you could have been visiting your grandmother before your dentist appt for a little longer visit instead of all this wandering around.
4. If they didn't find petrol on him or his clothes or in the room, there are still plenty of things in the house to start a fire with. Depending on what the carpet and bedspread were made out of, they could have smoldered for a while before smoke was noticed.
5. I don't buy the petrol purchase to commit suicide because he was despondent over the death of his grandfather - looks to me like his plate was full of stuff to worry about. That statement felt like it was just kind of thrown in there.
6. We're still missing who called who to check on SG, why and when. IF AC was suspicious and jealous, he could have done it. IF AC was worried about her because ML had been lurking around, that's understandable too. If AC was listed as her emergency contact, that would have been the first person they called if she was late and not answering her phone. Maybe everyone thought she had car trouble at first.
7. The DNA on her body does not mean he had sex with her two days prior and it does not mean she was alive when it was deposited. Ick, I know, but true.
It is possible that ML is innocent and is just a poor victim of really bad karma and circumstance. Personally I doubt it, but it could happen. And it could be - like an old movie - the person you least expect is the bad guy. The fact remains, regardless of her love life, she was murdered. In her home.
All of the above is strictly my own opinion and I could be completely wrong.
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Great post!
Re: 1 - I was thinking exactly the same! Shana, isn't alive to defend herself and to either admit or deny that she and Lane met at a hotel and had sex in August. We only have Lanes word for that and well, we know he's a liar so ...
Shana and Ashley were officially 'back together' around mid July.
Does Lane have any social media accounts?
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Character references were read out in court in support of defendant Michael Lane.
Simon Russell-Flint, defending, read statements from three people who had known Lane for years including church warden and school catering manager Ann Beard.
She said she had known Lane for 20 years, and saw him on a weekly basis for around 15 years.
She described him as someone with "old fashioned values" like opening doors for people and giving up his seat for someone else who was in greater need.
She said he was "polite", "considerate" and a "gentleman in his manner". She said she never had a reason to distrust him.
The jury is expected to begin its deliberations tomorrow.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/15171875.Shana_Grice_murder_trial__Lane_was__a_gentleman_/
Simon Russell-Flint, defending, read statements from three people who had known Lane for years including church warden and school catering manager Ann Beard.
She said she had known Lane for 20 years, and saw him on a weekly basis for around 15 years.
She described him as someone with "old fashioned values" like opening doors for people and giving up his seat for someone else who was in greater need.
She said he was "polite", "considerate" and a "gentleman in his manner". She said she never had a reason to distrust him.
The jury is expected to begin its deliberations tomorrow.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/15171875.Shana_Grice_murder_trial__Lane_was__a_gentleman_/
It would be a coincidence too far that there was someone impersonating Lane, in similar grey shorts and trainers, with different tops, when he admits to changing tops and carrying a spare top, hanging around in the vicinity of the house that morning.
Thinking further on this, I think he went home and panicked that he would be the most obvious suspect so he decided to go back to the house and be seen, as the guy in the high-viz vest. What better way to make sure 'that man' would be noticed, the same man who would take her bank card and go to withdraw cash, while hiding his face. I wish we knew what time the bank withdrawal was made.
I can't work out if he had it all planned out to happen like that, or if he made it up as he went along. Popping up here there and everywhere in different roads and shops in different tops. Did he know McColls would have cctv for instance.
Regarding the hotel I don't think we'll ever get to know whether Shana had a last fling with him, or if he did something more sinister on the day of her murder. I think the police would have checked out the hotel records and checked to see if Shana went home that night. I think on balance that she probably did go there and stay, and he probably persuaded her by saying just one last time. If he really did say 'she'll pay' to his friend on 20th, then the hotel booking was probably all part of a planned fantasy of revenge. Even more likely if they had broken up in early July and then this liaison just happens on 23rd August.
Thinking further on this, I think he went home and panicked that he would be the most obvious suspect so he decided to go back to the house and be seen, as the guy in the high-viz vest. What better way to make sure 'that man' would be noticed, the same man who would take her bank card and go to withdraw cash, while hiding his face. I wish we knew what time the bank withdrawal was made.
I can't work out if he had it all planned out to happen like that, or if he made it up as he went along. Popping up here there and everywhere in different roads and shops in different tops. Did he know McColls would have cctv for instance.
Regarding the hotel I don't think we'll ever get to know whether Shana had a last fling with him, or if he did something more sinister on the day of her murder. I think the police would have checked out the hotel records and checked to see if Shana went home that night. I think on balance that she probably did go there and stay, and he probably persuaded her by saying just one last time. If he really did say 'she'll pay' to his friend on 20th, then the hotel booking was probably all part of a planned fantasy of revenge. Even more likely if they had broken up in early July and then this liaison just happens on 23rd August.
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Jury have gone out
BBC South East‏Verified account @bbcsoutheast 1m1 minute ago
Jury in trial of Michael Lane, accused of murdering former girlfriend, Sussex teenager Shana Grice, starts deliberations over verdict.
BBC South East‏Verified account @bbcsoutheast 1m1 minute ago
Jury in trial of Michael Lane, accused of murdering former girlfriend, Sussex teenager Shana Grice, starts deliberations over verdict.
Ok I think 3 polls are needed this time. I'm not sure how many people are following this thread, it seems pretty quiet, but let's see anyway.
I'll post 3 scenarios. Thank the one that you would vote, based on what we know from reporting.
I'll post 3 scenarios. Thank the one that you would vote, based on what we know from reporting.
Shouting, cheering and clapping in court from family and friends of Shana Grice, from Portslade as Michael Lane is convicted of her murder.
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In the days leading up to the murder Lane texted Miss Grice saying: 'No-one will ever replace you. How happy you made me. It has to be goodbye forever.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Y-murdering-ex-Shana-Grice.html#ixzz4c48Bb0Em
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[FONT="]The jury delivered a unanimous verdict to huge cheers from member of Miss Grice's family and friends in the public gallery.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The decision brought members of the Grice family to tears.
[/FONT][FONT="]Lane shut his eyes, looked up at the ceiling and down at the ground as the result was delivered.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/15173821.Michael_Lane_found_guilty_of_murdering_Shana_Grice/
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[FONT="]The decision brought members of the Grice family to tears.
[/FONT][FONT="]Lane shut his eyes, looked up at the ceiling and down at the ground as the result was delivered.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/15173821.Michael_Lane_found_guilty_of_murdering_Shana_Grice/
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[FONT=&]The court heard that as their relationship went sour, Lane sent Grice a formal legal letter to retrieve a debt of around £250, in return for meals and perfume he had bought.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Shortly after her death, the man in the high-visibility jacket used Grice's bank card at an ATM and tried to withdraw £250. There was only £60.18 in the account, so this person withdrew £60 in two £20 notes and two £10 notes.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Although Lane denies this person was him, police later found £60 in Lane's car, in the same denomination. Lane also admitted to having previously known Grice's PIN, but he said he had "forgotten" it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The court heard that Lane and Grice had met up at a hotel two days before her death after she had got back together with a previous boyfriend, Ashley Cooke to finally end their relationship. Shana texted Lane at 10:08pm that she would "love you always and forever". Lane claims they had sex that night and also earlier in the day at her house.
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[FONT=&]But the court also heard that Lane was planning to blackmail Grice if she failed to turn up to the hotel. He told police during an interview that he had saved screenshots of compromising text messages that referred to their sexual relationship.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]He said: "They are just to say, like, when we had sex this morning. Because I didnt want her to cancel that night I just thought I would save them just in case. In case she cancelled. I could say, You cant cancel because I have these saved.'"
[/FONT][FONT=&]Two eyewitnesses said in evidence that they saw a man matching Lane's description wearing a high-visibility jacket and a hardhat in Chrisdory Road at 7:30am and 7:32am on 25 August. Lane denies this was him.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmi...l-lane-trial?utm_term=.hijPEMz20g#.sc7gO5GKRw
Much more to read at link[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Shortly after her death, the man in the high-visibility jacket used Grice's bank card at an ATM and tried to withdraw £250. There was only £60.18 in the account, so this person withdrew £60 in two £20 notes and two £10 notes.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Although Lane denies this person was him, police later found £60 in Lane's car, in the same denomination. Lane also admitted to having previously known Grice's PIN, but he said he had "forgotten" it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The court heard that Lane and Grice had met up at a hotel two days before her death after she had got back together with a previous boyfriend, Ashley Cooke to finally end their relationship. Shana texted Lane at 10:08pm that she would "love you always and forever". Lane claims they had sex that night and also earlier in the day at her house.
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[FONT=&]But the court also heard that Lane was planning to blackmail Grice if she failed to turn up to the hotel. He told police during an interview that he had saved screenshots of compromising text messages that referred to their sexual relationship.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]He said: "They are just to say, like, when we had sex this morning. Because I didnt want her to cancel that night I just thought I would save them just in case. In case she cancelled. I could say, You cant cancel because I have these saved.'"
[/FONT][FONT=&]Two eyewitnesses said in evidence that they saw a man matching Lane's description wearing a high-visibility jacket and a hardhat in Chrisdory Road at 7:30am and 7:32am on 25 August. Lane denies this was him.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmi...l-lane-trial?utm_term=.hijPEMz20g#.sc7gO5GKRw
Much more to read at link[/FONT]
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