UK - Three abandoned babies (2017, 2019, 2024) full siblings found in London

[Smccat]

I just saw this article on the news and came to see if there was a thread. How disturbing and desperately sad is this!

I too feel that this is along the lines of a modern slavery situation.

 

[seasideForest]

At least there seems to be an attempt by the mother (? or whoever is abandoning these infants) to place them somewhere where they might be found (as opposed to direct in a dumpster or a body of water). And also some attempt to protect the infant, e.g. wrapped in a blanket. JMO Still there are tons of things that could go wrong leading to the baby being seriously injured or dying.

Do they have baby hatches in the UK? Or can you leave a newborn anonymously somewhere else, e.g. at a hospital? If so, I wonder why the mother isn't doing so. I'd prefer to hear what's really behind this before I condemn the mother however.

Good wishes for the three abandoned babies.

MOO

 

[Luwin]

So desperately sad

 

[Rikissa]

DNA-tests have revealed that baby Elsa, found in a shopping bag on 19 January, 2024, is a full sibling of Harry, found in 2017, and of Roman, found in 2019. The two boys have been adopted, and little Elsa is in a foster home, but it's planned that they will have some contact while they are growing up. It's very strange that three full siblings have been found abandoned, I wonder why the parents are doing this, as it's obvious they are still together seven years after the birth of the first child.

Baby found dumped in shopping bag was just an hour old, police reveal

Police launched an urgent appeal for information after the baby girl was found wrapped in a towel by a member of the public walking their dog in Newham on Thursday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Babies found dumped in shopping bags in London parks will be reunited

The trio of children were dumped in parks with the most recent - a baby girl - being found at just an hour after she was born in a shopping bag in Newham amid sub-zero temperatures in January.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Pseudonymph]

All I can think of is Josef Fritzl, who held his daughter prisoner for decades and raped her daily. She was able to raise three of her kids in the basement dungeon and some of them were raised by him and his wife. I wonder if they can easily tell if the babies are a product of incest.

 

[GRT]

All I can think of is Josef Fritzl, who held his daughter prisoner for decades and raped her daily. She was able to raise three of her kids in the basement dungeon and some of them were raised by him and his wife. I wonder if they can easily tell if the babies are a product of incest.

I thought of that, too. Maybe someone with DNA expertise can tell us.

 

[Honeybirdette]

To me it sounds like it could be abuse.
Someone is getting this girl/woman pregnant and must obviously be aware and/or complicit in dumping the babies.
I really worry for this woman.

 

[Smccat]

At least there seems to be an attempt by the mother (? or whoever is abandoning these infants) to place them somewhere where they might be found (as opposed to direct in a dumpster or a body of water). And also some attempt to protect the infant, e.g. wrapped in a blanket. JMO Still there are tons of things that could go wrong leading to the baby being seriously injured or dying.

Do they have baby hatches in the UK? Or can you leave a newborn anonymously somewhere else, e.g. at a hospital? If so, I wonder why the mother isn't doing so. I'd prefer to hear what's really behind this before I condemn the mother however.

Good wishes for the three abandoned babies.

MOO

No baby hatches here sadly. Shame as Elsa was dumped 5 mins from a fire station.
I did note that the common factor was either Greenway Trail or Newham Way and if you centre that the hospital is in the centre.

 

[Smccat]

I thought of that, too. Maybe someone with DNA expertise can tell us.

Struck me too.

 

[BreadnLumpit]

To me it sounds like it could be abuse.
Someone is getting this girl/woman pregnant and must obviously be aware and/or complicit in dumping the babies.
I really worry for this woman.

That's a really good point. It's also possible that it's the father of these children who is leaving the babies in parks.

What's playing on my mind is that there was a baby in 2017, another in 2019 and this last wee one in early 2024 ... so was there a baby in 2021/22 and, if so what happened to him/her?

 

[Smccat]

I did think there was perhaps some iota of kind thought or warped thinking (each to their own thought) to the abandonment spots.

 

[Lucy6226]

To me it sounds like it could be abuse.
Someone is getting this girl/woman pregnant and must obviously be aware and/or complicit in dumping the babies.
I really worry for this woman.

I suspect this is the case also. I find it hard to believe that a couple would be abandoning their babies this way more than once, family/friends would notice the pregnancy surely? So I suspect this woman (or even girl) isn't around in public much.

It a very sad and traumatic situation but I'm glad the babies were found and are safe with adoptive and foster families. It could be much worse.

 

[Smccat]

I was disappointed to note that Elsa was found at 9:15pm at night on the coldest night of the year. And thought to have been there an hour or so. It’s a miracle she was found. But there lies in the beauty of London. Busy and vibrant. If it was that time where I live it would be very different.

 

[MissMalowe]

All I can think of is Josef Fritzl, who held his daughter prisoner for decades and raped her daily. She was able to raise three of her kids in the basement dungeon and some of them were raised by him and his wife. I wonder if they can easily tell if the babies are a product of incest.

By no means an expert.....just found this info after a quick google search about DNA because I was curious about that too. (parents possibly being related to one another)

The Tech Article

 

[Lucy6226]

All I can think of is Josef Fritzl, who held his daughter prisoner for decades and raped her daily. She was able to raise three of her kids in the basement dungeon and some of them were raised by him and his wife. I wonder if they can easily tell if the babies are a product of incest.

This has crossed my mind too. Not sure if police would release that information, but they must know through the DNA testing

 

[Smccat]

It’s so bizzare isn’t it. With baby 1 Harry - you could think they were young and terrified of something but how the others. You’d think 2- Roman - would be rectifying the mistake and trying in some way to be better.

How do we get 2024? Poor Elsa.

 

[OceanElix]

Do they have baby hatches in the UK? Or can you leave a newborn anonymously somewhere else, e.g. at a hospital? If so, I wonder why the mother isn't doing so. I'd prefer to hear what's really behind this before I condemn the mother however.

Good wishes for the three abandoned babies.

MOO

BBM That is not available in the UK

 

[LadyL]

so all three babies are alive and well?

 

[Goecke]

I thought of that, too. Maybe someone with DNA expertise can tell us.

I work in cytogenetics and we look for regions of homozygosity (portions of the genome that are identical, suggesting shared ancestry) while doing microarray testing since people with multiple ROHs are at higher risk of autosomal recessive diseases. However, many people from small/insular ethnic groups tend to have multiple ROHs, and this isn't indicative of incest- There's naturally bound to be some degree of shared ancestry in insular groups due to there just not being many people. This is also why certain genetic diseases occur at an abnormally high rate among certain ethnic groups. I'm not sure if testing for ROH is done in forensic applications, I'm just speaking from my experience.

TL;DR: There is a way to test for shared ancestry, but shared ancestry isn't always indicative of incest and you really can't tell if the parents are related just by testing their child.

 

[seasideForest]

so all three babies are alive and well?

Yes. Two of them are no longer babies though and have been adopted, presumably a few years ago. There's information on that in the reports.