UK - Three abandoned babies (2017, 2019, 2024) full siblings found in London

[Ruthbullock]

Picture released of baby abandoned in London park - BBC News

Newborn "Harry" was found wrapped in a blanket in a bush in an east London park on Sunday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ruthbullock]

Thought it might be useful to read some of the original articles for the older children

 

[al66pine]

First Degrees Relatives?

.... But %ROH only gets so high to where incest is the only explanation in cases where the parents are first degree relatives (parent/child or full siblings), or second degree relatives if there's a generational history of incest (cousins, half-siblings, uncle/neice, aunt/nephew, grandparent/grandchild)....

snipped for focus. @Goecke A small point here re ^ post (or source):
" where the parents are first degree relatives (parent/child or full siblings)."

Seems it's saying "full siblings" are first degree relatives, not second degree.

Per link to table below, "full siblings" are second degree relatives to each other.*

Not claiming to know much about tech aspects of DNA as my knowledge re degrees-of-consanguinity comes largely from US state statutes (not UK law) and legal inheritance issues, in which the only FIRST degree relatives are parents and children. Again, per table below.

Perhaps not a relevant point here, since DNA tests of the these three abandoned babies already determined that they share the same parents IIUC.

Welcoming correction or clarification, as the degree terms apply here.

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Degrees of Consanguinity.

Consanguinity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Lusitana]

I don't think they will be able to identify the parents through the bag, at least I borrow these bags from friends, family, etc. I have bags from shops I've never even been at. Now, if they can find someone carrying the same bag on CCTV from the day the baby was found, that's useful.

 

[FromGermany1]

Baby abandoned in park was '30 minutes old with umbilical cord attached'

The tiny newborn was discovered in a 'Sainsbury's bag' next to a park bench

www.essexlive.news

"The police had sniffer dogs trying to find a blood trail but they couldn't, which makes me ask how she left in that state.
-.-.-
S* P*, 47, was walking his German shepherd through the play area just 15 minutes before the baby was found.

He said: "It's crazy to think I was there just before, it was totally empty apart from a man sitting on the bench.

"When the police and ambulance came, I thought maybe he had died.

"It was very cold and snowing."
-.-.-
Maybe, it was the man on the bank, who left the baby there. So no traces being found?
Maybe, it is always the father of the 3 babies, who left them, where they were found? After all, the birth took place a very short time before, so no time for the mother to clean herself AND walking (in her condition) to another location. IMO

 

[Megsc]

Yesterday I saw a tv show on which a woman explained how she was raped by her father and ended up being pregnant multiple times, and had to go through abortions (the mother knew but didn't do anything). Wondering if that's the same kind of thing that is happening in this case, but she was unable to get abortions (perhaps doesn't have the right to and is forced to have the babies).
I hope I'm wrong, but that's where my mind immediatly goes. Anyhow, something very weird is going on and I'm scared for this woman/girl.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Harry is adorable and was glad to read that the plan is to connect the children at some point in their lives.
What about their DNA ?
Then focusing on cultural hubs in and around Newham.
Curious what made authorities carry out DNA testing with Harry and Roman?

London Borough of Newham - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

£20,000 reward offered in search for parents of three abandoned baby siblings

It comes one year after the youngest, baby Elsa, was discovered.

metro.co.uk

 

[Skigh]

I would imagine tests were carried out to see if there were any matches to any dna results already in their data base. They could also be quickly matched to anyone claiming the babies were theirs.

 

[Izzylizzy]

The judge had refused the request to change Elsa's name.
imo:
I assume that when older the 3 children will be told or find out where they were abandoned and the conditions surround it so does Elsa really need to be reminded about Elsa from the movie "Frozen" that her mother/adult wrapped her in a a towel put her in a bag and left her at an hour old to die outside in freezing weather?
A total disregard for human life not even caring if the baby survived long enough to be found.

'Baby Elsa: Abandoned newborn leaves hospital with foster parents'​

25 January 2024

Baby Elsa: Abandoned newborn leaves hospital with foster parents

The BBC gets special permission to report on a family court, where it is heard Elsa is in care.

www.bbc.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

I would imagine tests were carried out to see if there were any matches to any dna results already in their data base. They could also be quickly matched to anyone claiming the babies were theirs.

That makes total sense using all that's available.
On another note.

Woman campaigns to introduce baby boxes in the UK

Toyin Odumala, who was left outside flats in London in 2001 when she was a baby, starts a petition.

www.bbc.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Apologies if I am re-posting info.and so pleased to hear this.

"All their names have been changed and all three are in good health."

£20,000 reward offered as police search for parents of three abandoned babies

Police appeal for information relating to three babies abandoned by the same parents shortly after birth in east London. A reward of £20,000 is also being offered by Crimestoppers.

www.bbc.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“The three babies in this investigation are thankfully healthy and well, and we are continuing momentum behind this investigation to identify the parents.”
Detective Inspector Jamie Humm of the Child Abuse Investigation Team

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/news-campaigns/news/2025/jan/20-000-reward-offered-to-find-parents-of-three-abandoned-babies

Now Metropolitan Police in London are asking for the public’s help in identifying the man and woman involved, announcing a more than $24,000 reward on the 1-year anniversary of finding the third baby on Jan. 18 last year.

https://fox8.com/news/24k-reward-offered-in-search-of-parents-who-abandoned-3-of-their-newborns-police/?fbclid=IwY2xjawH7URlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHemWYScnRv89i54kWpJgBQCoXWHxMXdWUJUyX6FmsgiYBBfuRI_vNK1SFw_aem_OozKUT2cKV2aBZ84amAR-Q

 

[Izzylizzy]

“The three babies in this investigation are thankfully healthy and well, and we are continuing momentum behind this investigation to identify the parents.”
Detective Inspector Jamie Humm of the Child Abuse Investigation Team

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/news-campaigns/news/2025/jan/20-000-reward-offered-to-find-parents-of-three-abandoned-babies

Now Metropolitan Police in London are asking for the public’s help in identifying the man and woman involved, announcing a more than $24,000 reward on the 1-year anniversary of finding the third baby on Jan. 18 last year.

https://fox8.com/news/24k-reward-offered-in-search-of-parents-who-abandoned-3-of-their-newborns-police/?fbclid=IwY2xjawH7URlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHemWYScnRv89i54kWpJgBQCoXWHxMXdWUJUyX6FmsgiYBBfuRI_vNK1SFw_aem_OozKUT2cKV2aBZ84amAR-Q

imo:
The mother could be completely isolated( I doubt) or is able to hide her pregnancy with a caftan style dress if she's a Muslim and/or she must live in an ethnic cultured community that protects each other no matter what.
The renamed baby Elsa was found with her imbecile cord still attached so I doubt a midwife delivered her.
I thought that the renamed baby Roman was a boy. not so, a girl.

Does anyone know if the CCTV footage was released from all 3 of the abandonments?

It appears that the couple may have moved after the first baby was born because the second and third babies were found in a different location and close to each other.
I don't know how that could be tracked?
Not having a car is also possible.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/04/uk/london-abandoned-babies-gbr-intl/index.html

 

[Izzylizzy]

“The three babies in this investigation are thankfully healthy and well, and we are continuing momentum behind this investigation to identify the parents.”
Detective Inspector Jamie Humm of the Child Abuse Investigation Team

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/news-campaigns/news/2025/jan/20-000-reward-offered-to-find-parents-of-three-abandoned-babies

Now Metropolitan Police in London are asking for the public’s help in identifying the man and woman involved, announcing a more than $24,000 reward on the 1-year anniversary of finding the third baby on Jan. 18 last year.

https://fox8.com/news/24k-reward-offered-in-search-of-parents-who-abandoned-3-of-their-newborns-police/?fbclid=IwY2xjawH7URlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHemWYScnRv89i54kWpJgBQCoXWHxMXdWUJUyX6FmsgiYBBfuRI_vNK1SFw_aem_OozKUT2cKV2aBZ84amAR-Q

I'm just posting this link to back-up my saying that there's a high level of poverty in Newham.
The $20,000 reward just may do the job of identifying the parents.

https://lucindaplatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/poverty-and-deprivation-newham.pdf

 

[imstilla.grandma]

*slightly off topic. It has happened before...

But the three still had questions: Who was the mother who had left Julie at a mini market, Dean on a doorstep and Janet in a paper bag in an alley?

How 3 Babies Abandoned By Same Mother In The 1980s Were Reunited

"There was a connection," says Janet Barnicoat, "It's like we'd never been apart from each other."

www.cbsnews.com

"Every time I go somewhere, where I see a 'Safe Haven' sign ... it gets me every time, still, now, to this day," Hauser told Elizabeth Vargas

California Mom Reveals Why She Abandoned 3 Babies at Birth 3 Separate Times

The three siblings met their mother for the first time.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

What weighs on my heart is not the actual abandoning of a baby but the lack of concern/care for the babies left out in the dead of winter.
Naked, wrapped in a towel/blanket and then shoved in a bag.
The saving grace is that they survived and aren't growing up with the birth parents.

 

[Goecke]

Seems it's saying "full siblings" are first degree relatives, not second degree.

Per link to table below, "full siblings" are second degree relatives to each other.*

_______________________
Degrees of Consanguinity.

Consanguinity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also snipped for focus- I'm not sure if there terms are different in the legal field or in different countries, but parent/child incest and full sibling incest are put under the same category (first degree) in my job since the percent of DNA shared is the same. On that same Wikipedia page there's a table with the average percent of DNA shared between relatives. In the genetics world relationships with 50% DNA shared are 1st degree, relationships with 25% DNA shared are 2nd degree, etc.

First Degree Relative

A first degree relative is a family member who shares about 50 percent of their genes with a particular individual in a family.

www.genome.gov

Hope this helps!

 

[al66pine]

First Degree Relatives. In Science. In US Law

Also snipped for focus- I'm not sure if there terms are different in the legal field or in different countries, but parent/child incest and full sibling incest are put under the same category (first degree) in my job since the percent of DNA shared is the same. On that same Wikipedia page there's a table with the average percent of DNA shared between relatives. In the genetics world relationships with 50% DNA shared are 1st degree, relationships with 25% DNA shared are 2nd degree, etc.

First Degree Relative

A first degree relative is a family member who shares about 50 percent of their genes with a particular individual in a family.

www.genome.gov

Hope this helps!

@Goecke Thx so much for responding to clarify how DNA scientists use "first degree" and who is included. Different in some situations in law, at least in the US.
And TYVM for providing the link.

 

[Luwin]

Baby Elsa: Abandoned girl's progress 'astonishing', court hears

In January 2024, Baby Elsa was left in a carrier bag by a footpath shortly after she was born.

www.bbc.co.uk

A baby girl who was abandoned more than a year ago in east London is thriving, a Family Court has heard.

Judge Carol Atkinson said it was "astonishing" that Baby Elsa was doing so well.

 

[Deleted member 235284]

such a sad case i hope its solved and there is not any more babies left in future.