UK - Three abandoned babies (2017, 2019, 2024) full siblings found in London

[Lusitana]

Crazy thought, but any chance the mother is making money in this unorthodox way? speculation, imo.

Cash-strapped mothers selling their breast milk online for up to £800

EXCLUSIVE: Social media platforms are providing an unregulated booming market for those profiting off a high demand for breast milk, selling to other mothers and even adult men.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yikes.

 

[Lucy6226]

Crazy thought, but any chance the mother is making money in this unorthodox way? speculation, imo.

Cash-strapped mothers selling their breast milk online for up to £800

EXCLUSIVE: Social media platforms are providing an unregulated booming market for those profiting off a high demand for breast milk, selling to other mothers and even adult men.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You'd only need one pregnancy to express breast milk....well you can induce milk supply in other ways but that wouldn't be applicable in this scenario. Once you start producing milk, so as long as regularly expressing you can keep producing milk for years. Generally full time breastfeeding stops ovulation too ...although not 100% as a lot of breastfeeding mums have found out!! So unlikely to become pregnant again too.

Sadly I think this is some sort of exploitation.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 339775]

Yes, I agree. But my post was about my opinion that 'some form of stability' is not referring to the quality (or lack thereof) of the relationship but rather that parents of these 3 abandoned babies are in some form of continuous relationship. MOO, of course.

It’s such an emotive topic that perhaps I reacted too quickly to your previous post without taking time to really process what you said. They do indeed appear to be in some kind of continuous relationship, I just pray it’s not one where the woman literally cannot escape this man

 

[Seni]

How do we know it was the same father in each case? Can't find a source for this.

ETA: His DNA would also have been identified if this were the case?

 

[Sarahlou]

How do we know it was the same father in each case? Can't find a source for this.

DNA tests revealed that Harry and Roman were full siblings, however, that information wasn't initially made public. It was only when Elsa was found five years later, and the case came before the family court, that we were able to report all three babies had the same parents.

Baby Elsa: Police going door-to-door in hunt for parents of abandoned siblings

The search for parents of three newborn babies, all abandoned after birth, is focused on nearby houses.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Seni]

Many thanks Sarahlou!!

 

[Skiwolram]

I wonder how many people will be willing to give their DNA? Certainly not the parents of these babies.
I do hope they find them.

Love

 

[FromGermany1]

Imagine this is a woman's life, in London. And what the man involved must be like.

Kindstötung: Totes Baby nach 25 Jahren identifiziert - WELT

Der Fund von zwei toten Babys auf einem Dachboden in Niedersachsen löste im Sommer 2012 Entsetzen aus. Nun ist auch die Identität einer 1988 nicht weit entfernt gefundenen Babyleiche geklärt.

www.welt.de

Google translation:
Nine months after the conviction of a 44-year-old mother for the death of two of her babies in the Rotenburg district, the police have solved a third case.

An infant found dead in a trash can at a rest stop in 1988 was identified as the woman's child through DNA analysis, police and prosecutors announced on Wednesday. The woman from Ostertimke denies being responsible for the child's death. The cause of the baby's death has not been determined.

The 44-year-old was sentenced to four years in prison by the Stade Regional Court in January . In one case, the judges found the defendant guilty of manslaughter and in the other, attempted manslaughter. The court found the defendant to have diminished responsibility. At the time of the crimes, she was addicted to alcohol and suffered from a personality disorder. Her ex-husband found the two badly decomposed babies' bodies while cleaning out the attic in the summer of 2012. Two children from the marriage live with their father.
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During the trial, the woman admitted to having placed the newborns in the attic. She had repressed, denied, and concealed her pregnancies in 1996 and 2001. She gave birth to the babies unaided in the house's toilet.
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Maybe, the mother of "our" 3 babies is also married and has some living children just like the German woman. A completely normal household with a husband who, strangely enough, doesn't notice anything.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

The court found the defendant to have diminished responsibility

For Pete's sake.

Maybe, the mother of "our" 3 babies is also married and has some living children just like the German woman. A completely normal household with a husband who, strangely enough, doesn't notice anything.

"Normal" household ...

 

[Skigh]

For Pete's sake.



"Normal" household ...

I think the poster meant the family appeared normal to everyone who knew them.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I think the poster meant the family appeared normal to everyone who knew them.

I know. My comment was meant with a smile. (Although I think someone living this way would probably "keep to themselves" in a clearly extreme way, if anyone was paying attention. But JMO.)

 

[FromGermany1]

For Pete's sake.



"Normal" household ...

You are right!! "Normal" only from the outside of course.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Police set to stop search for parents after three of their babies were abandoned in plastic bags on London's streets as the trail goes cold​

Three babies separately abandoned in plastic bags in freezing temperatures in near identical circumstances several years apart.

For years detectives have desperately tried to trace their mother after DNA tests revealed that incredibly all three children were siblings.

Now, as the two year anniversary approaches of the discovery of the last child Elsa, police are preparing to close the case.

It follows a unique investigation which has taken officers across Britain and abroad using familial DNA analysis to contact possible relatives.

Officers are ready to concede defeat after going to extraordinary lengths and exhausting hundreds of lines of inquiry, the Daily Mail can exclusively reveal.

Police to stop search for parents after THREE babies were abandoned

For years detectives have desperately tried to trace their mother after DNA tests revealed that incredibly all three babies abandoned on London's streets were siblings.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[steeltowngirl]

I have a concern that the babies’ father may also be their grandfather.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I have a concern that the babies’ father may also be their grandfather.

Certainly not impossible, but if that is the case, I would expect that degree of inbreeding to be reflected at least as a possibility in the kids' DNA.

I suspect that the police have only ended the active search for these parents. With the children's DNA on databases, if either parent is arrested in future for any reason their DNA will be taken as a matter of course so these kids may well be identified in a few years.

 

[dotr]

Police to stop search for parents after THREE babies were abandoned

For years detectives have desperately tried to trace their mother after DNA tests revealed that incredibly all three babies abandoned on London's streets were siblings.

www.dailymail.co.uk

''Mr Basford said: 'I now think that the mother may have gone abroad. She may have been forced to leave the area; she may be being controlled.''

 

[MelmothTheLost]

An update on this case: the youngest baby, named Elsa, will be adopted and will regularly see her siblings.

Abandoned baby Elsa to be adopted and regularly see two siblings, court orders

Police say all enquiries to find the parents of the abandoned babies have now been "exhausted".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[MarziPanda]

I'm a little sad she's not being adopted by one of the families that already has one of her siblings. The article states they'll see pictures of each other and have a playdate twice a year. That doesn't feel like enough. How can you form a sibling bond with someone you only see twice a year for a few hours? Hopefully that's 'at least' twice a year, like that's just the mandated amount, and the families will all get close and see each other more.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I'm a little sad she's not being adopted by one of the families that already has one of her siblings. The article states they'll see pictures of each other and have a playdate twice a year. That doesn't feel like enough. How can you form a sibling bond with someone you only see twice a year for a few hours? Hopefully that's 'at least' twice a year, like that's just the mandated amount, and the families will all get close and see each other more.

It's a very different situation to adopting a sibling group removed from birth parents at the same time. When the first baby was found and put up for adoption nobody would have imagined that there would have been a second, let alone a third, abandoned. The family who took the first baby may already have had other adopted children and be unable to take any more.

 

[MarziPanda]

It's a very different situation to adopting a sibling group removed from birth parents at the same time. When the first baby was found and put up for adoption nobody would have imagined that there would have been a second, let alone a third, abandoned. The family who took the first baby may already have had other adopted children and be unable to take any more.

I know, I just find it sad that neither of the other families were able to take in Elsa. No shade to them, they've got their own circumstances that must have prevented it, I just think it's sad for the kids.