GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #4

[laniefi]

Has someone made a timeline for Tia yet?

The only timeline I could find with details is here:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tia-sharp-developments-as-they-unfold-8014761.html

and it stops after they found her.

 

[webnut]

WELCOME webnut!

:fireworks:

Thanks its nice to find somewhere we can discuss this, every thread I was reading elsewhere got pulled.

 

[laniefi]

I do not know any thing about class A drugs-

Can you accidently take them. I thought you had to inject or snort or do something else.

I would have thought Tia had been around drug use her whole life so think it unlikely she would have done something with drugs whilst at Granny's

So a Class A drug in the UK is heroin, cocaine, ecstasy and LSD correct?

I am not sure if you can accidentally take any of these drugs. In fact I have never seen any of them in my life - even at raves and other underground parties here in the US. The thing we liked in college grew up from the ground! :innocent:

 

[Saturn]

Hi Webnut :seeya:,am just along the road in Bath.

 

[Adorabella]

Sorry that was not clear.

I was interested that you too had the impression that DN expected Tia home that evening.

I know I read a statement from DN which indicated that.

Then later that seemed to have been changed to him leaving Tia on the sofa with her friend.

I have tried to google articles about this but they have been removed online.

Thank you for clarifying - yes, indeed. It was mentioned almost right from the start and I read it more than once, I am sure. I'll try to find it, too.

 

[Skigh]

That's a great point. DN discussed Tia's departure that day as if she'd left the house on her own. So where was her friend? Still in the house? Left earlier? He also said Tia was 'as good as gold'.... meaning what, that she hadn't 'annoyed' him recently?

I also thought that when he spoke about her returning home on Thursday at 6, that it was to Mitcham - because although he was allegedly repeating SH's version of events, he didn't repeat the story as if it had come from someone else, ie, 'he said she'd be home by 6'. He said it like he'd witnessed it first hand. It was very misleading.

I distinctly remember a statement when he said I, as in' I said as I left for work, I said see you at 6'. Not as if he was quoting what HS said.


DN was a builder so possibly could work different hours .I think of going to work to be around 8am or earlier.


When speaking about Tia borrowing her mother's phone he used words which indicated Tia found her phone dead just as she was leaving.

I still do not think NS would have lent Tia her phone.

There was no mention of where NS was that morning which I do find strange.

 

[Adorabella]

Haven't found the article where DN says he was expecting TS back on the Thursday by 6pm but was reminded of these DN quotes, which look entirely different if something happened to TS at this home rather than G'ma's.

"Tia’s stepfather David Niles, 29, insisted Mr Hazell had been doing housework at the home he shared with 46-year-old Mrs Sharp when the 12-year-old left."

Stepfather Mr Niles said: ‘Stuart was doing the housework when she left. He was hoovering, he couldn’t hear her. ‘His father… has it wrong. Stuart wasn’t walking with her. That girl left this house alone.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ned-2-hours-detectives-potential-witness.html

 

[Fluttershy]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/drugs/drug-law/

Here's a brief lit of UK drug classification.

 

[Skigh]

That's a great point. DN discussed Tia's departure that day as if she'd left the house on her own. So where was her friend? Still in the house? Left earlier? He also said Tia was 'as good as gold'.... meaning what, that she hadn't 'annoyed' him recently?

I also thought that when he spoke about her returning home on Thursday at 6, that it was to Mitcham - because although he was allegedly repeating SH's version of events, he didn't repeat the story as if it had come from someone else, ie, 'he said she'd be home by 6'. He said it like he'd witnessed it first hand. It was very misleading.

It almost sounds as if when they were rehearsing the story ,he got muddled up with what he had to say and what SH had to say!!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I think using technical terms like "Independent witness" point to the fact these people were no strangers to the legal system

Bingo... And/or was being "coached" by someone...

 

[Skigh]

Bingo... And/or was being "coached" by someone...

Finding an independent witness sounds as if they were desperately looking for someone to back up their story.

 

[soozieqtips]

I distinctly remember a statement when he said I, as in' I said as I left for work, I said see you at 6'. Not as if he was quoting what HS said.

I remember him saying that too, but then I thought I imagined it because I never saw the statement again. Then it was suggested that he was just repeating what SH had told him, so I thought I must have imagined it. Maybe statements have been pulled to avoid any prejudice in the trial where he might have to be a witness?

I agree it's strange that we've heard nothing at all about where NS was that day. I assume she was at home with her little boys, but DN didn't put her in the equation at all that morning, he mentioned only Tia and the friend. I suppose if he'd gone to work early, NS might still have been asleep, but I would have thought the oldest boy would have been awake, and maybe even in the room at the time.

 

[Skigh]

Thank you for clarifying - yes, indeed. It was mentioned almost right from the start and I read it more than once, I am sure. I'll try to find it, too.

Thank you for that.

I know right from the start I read that and that it was not him quoting SH.

After that the story changed to Tia having a friend over-this was not in the earlier statements he made.

 

[soozieqtips]

Stepfather Mr Niles said: ‘Stuart was doing the housework when she left. He was hoovering, he couldn’t hear her. ‘His father… has it wrong. Stuart wasn’t walking with her. That girl left this house alone.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ned-2-hours-detectives-potential-witness.html

Red bold by me. Interesting. Do you think it was a slip of the tongue, or that he spoke a truth by accident. 'That' girl - not a very loving way to refer to the girl they all adored, is it?

 

[Adorabella]

After that the story changed to Tia having a friend over-this was not in the earlier statements he made.

I agree.

It's very interesting that it seems to have been DN's mother who was frustrated that all the stories kept changing, as it appears that her son's stories were amongst those that seemed to change quite a bit.:

"Angie Niles, 69, whose son David Niles is Tia’s stepfather, said: ‘We’re worried sick, and I just don’t understand, why all these discrepancies?
‘It’s all changing, where she was, who spoke to her, and even what she was wearing. Everyone just needs to be open now."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ned-2-hours-detectives-potential-witness.html

 

[Adorabella]

Red bold by me. Interesting. Do you think it was a slip of the tongue, or that he spoke a truth by accident. 'That' girl - not a very loving way to refer to the girl they all adored, is it?

I felt the same reading that - it doesn't seem very friendly at all. I get the feeling from that statement that Tia was an irritation to him.

He was extremely supportive of SH - so either believed what he had been told (even though the stories changed often), or possibly had a vested interest in making sure people believed that TS left that house alone.

My latest 'theory' was completely made up in response to all the other creative suggestions but now I am actually wondering if I am on to something!

The only thing that is wrong in all scenarios is why was the body left in the loft when there must have been ways of moving it, before alerting the authorities, (whether it's presence was only known to SH, or was known to them all)?

 

[Skigh]

I remember him saying that too, but then I thought I imagined it because I never saw the statement again. Then it was suggested that he was just repeating what SH had told him, so I thought I must have imagined it. Maybe statements have been pulled to avoid any prejudice in the trial where he might have to be a witness?

I agree it's strange that we've heard nothing at all about where NS was that day. I assume she was at home with her little boys, but DN didn't put her in the equation at all that morning, he mentioned only Tia and the friend. I suppose if he'd gone to work early, NS might still have been asleep, but I would have thought the oldest boy would have been awake, and maybe even in the room at the time.

NS would have had to give permission for her phone to be used.
If she was out she would presumably have her phone with her.
If she was in then it surely would have been mentioned what she said to Tia before Tia left .

Even if NS was asleep the 2 little boys would be up.

 

[laniefi]

Do these houses like Tia's Gran lived in have basements?

 

[accidental-zen]

Red bold by me. Interesting. Do you think it was a slip of the tongue, or that he spoke a truth by accident. 'That' girl - not a very loving way to refer to the girl they all adored, is it?

When we read him saying :THIS HOUSE:, it is of course possible that he was speaking to the interviewer from Grandmonster's house...

 

[accidental-zen]

I agree.

"Angie Niles, 69, whose son David Niles is Tia’s stepfather, said: ‘Everyone just needs to be open now."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ned-2-hours-detectives-potential-witness.html

In other words, she is saying "Everyone needs to stop covering up the truth now..."