Understanding The Anthony's Parenting Style

[metalcrystal]

Lee acted more creepy than creepy by "making out" with own arm and going on and on to "CMA" about all she had taught him...Dare I say, this dude looked HIDEOUS and CREEPY. Just saying...

Okay so it it wasn't just me that thought this was extremely BiZARRE behavior. BUt his parents stood there beaming, so it is obviously normal for them, LOL.

 

[simplesimon]

ITA! That is one of those videos that I have the hardest time watching, because it's just so strange. Lee is just so strange. jmho

Agreed ! I actually thought he was the normal one. I did have doubts the way he laughed at the "smell" in the car in the beginning, but I tried to pass that off as nerves. But as time went on and his actions became more bizarre, he became more peculiar.THE defining moment was the whole CMA,CMA! It was actually uncomfortable to watch.!!
And why not answer LE about who is the father of CAYLEE??? It is a normal question in the best of circumstances...but when a child is killed it becomes critical. Why not at the very beginning did the family just say it is soandso. By this point it would not even be discussed..
The whole family is odd but so are many families especially when put under a microscope! (mine included)
But this goes beyond odd and he and Casey are down right f'ncreepy!

 

[Vegas Bride]

ITA! That is one of those videos that I have the hardest time watching, because it's just so strange. Lee is just so strange. jmho

It creeped me out also.

Along with G&C's parenting, Casey's relationship with her brother also is important imo and has an impact on how a child growing up views things. Looking back at my own childhood, I was influenced more by my older sisters and brothers than I was by my parents. I looked up to them and copied myself more to be like them, I wanted to do what they were doing.
Didn't Casey say somewhere (Myspace?) that Lee was the coolest guy she knew?

VB

 

[OneLostGrl]

Okay so it it wasn't just me that thought this was extremely BiZARRE behavior. BUt his parents stood there beaming, so it is obviously normal for them, LOL.

LOL.. dude is kinda freaky. His ability to stay outwordly calm while so out of control inside when he took that womans sign and destroyed it.. he kept speaking to the media as he crushed it, he even laughed about it not wanting to break. Then some guy starts talking crap to him about Casey and he just keeps bashing up the sign while speaking to the man (you can see he's GOTTA be pissed but he doesn't even raise his voice. Not once!) I'd love to have more in depth info on Lee. Those blogs of his were interesting too. I dunno, to me, it's more Lee who seems to be guessing at what human emotions look like so he can attempt to seem normal but he keeps getting it wrong and that's why everyone finds him so strange.

I don't know..

 

[OneLostGrl]

It creeped me out also.

Along with G&C's parenting, Casey's relationship with her brother also is important imo and has an impact on how a child growing up views things. Looking back at my own childhood, I was influenced more by my older sisters and brothers than I was by my parents. I looked up to them and copied myself more to be like them, I wanted to do what they were doing.
Didn't Casey say somewhere (Myspace?) that Lee was the coolest guy she knew?

VB

ITA- even more-so in a home with this much dysfunction, the kids usually depend on each other a lot more than children from a "normal" family would.

 

[mitzi]

It creeped me out also.

Along with G&C's parenting, Casey's relationship with her brother also is important imo and has an impact on how a child growing up views things. Looking back at my own childhood, I was influenced more by my older sisters and brothers than I was by my parents. I looked up to them and copied myself more to be like them, I wanted to do what they were doing.
Didn't Casey say somewhere (Myspace?) that Lee was the coolest guy she knew?
VB

Red mine.

IIRC, it was a caption on a pic of KC and LA together...maybe on her 21st birthday?

 

[jamielynn]

LOL.. dude is kinda freaky. His ability to stay outwordly calm while so out of control inside when he took that womans sign and destroyed it.. he kept speaking to the media as he crushed it, he even laughed about it not wanting to break. Then some guy starts talking crap to him about Casey and he just keeps bashing up the sign while speaking to the man (you can see he's GOTTA be pissed but he doesn't even raise his voice. Not once!) I'd love to have more in depth info on Lee. Those blogs of his were interesting too. I dunno, to me, it's more Lee who seems to be guessing at what human emotions look like so he can attempt to seem normal but he keeps getting it wrong and that's why everyone finds him so strange.

I don't know..

What blogs? can you please tell me where to find them? Thanks

 

[Valhall]

I do not believe that CA should pay for KC's crimes, nor should KC's crimes be excused because she is mentally ill. It just helps me understand how someone like KC comes about. I want KC to pay for what she has done to Caylee, however I do have "an understanding" for what she must have gone thru as a child/teen having CA and GA as parents. jmho

Thanks for these words...couldn't have said it better. I personally believe that there is something wrong mentally - you can call it illness or dysfunction or whatever you want - with anyone who takes another human being's life on purpose and without defensive cause. I also believe that the illness can be created by the environs the person comes up through, coupled with a conscious decision to give in to the demons those precursors created. The decision is 100% KC's. The factors are shared by the person's kookoo family. In this case, I believe the lion's share goes to CA (IMHO).

You wanting to "understand" how a person of KC's ilk can come to be is your attempt to find ground where you can continue to handle the situation as a human being versus a torch-carrying mob member in a Frankenstein flic...your attempt to find a way to have compassion. In this particular case it is very hard to voice "I have compassion for KC"..especially here, maybe, because people will tend to take that as if you are giving her leeway. It's not so. We can hold compassion and maintain the law - including punitive measures.

I have compassion for KC...I feel downright sorry for her. I personally believe she was in a mental prison for the majority of her adolescence under the warden named CA. I wish she had found the moral strength to overcome that with grace as many other people have done under the same circumstances. She didn't...and she stands accused. She said it the best she could in that last released tape of the jailhouse visit with her parents - "I have lost everything"...her daughter, her family, her freedom....her life as it could have been; but not when she got arrested, (as she thinks), but when she made the amoral (and I believe it was amoral versus immoral - there in lies the mental illness) decision she made. The only error in her statement was that she had "lost" everything...she didn't lose anything, she threw it all away and she knows right where she pitched it...in a cold, dark, skanky swamp, double-bagged and rotting.

I do feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for the fact she appears to have been raised in such a dysfunctional family and she gave in to the role of the victim so entirely, that when the defining moment in her life appeared, she chose to become a monster. Now we're all forced to take the moral ground and not pick up the torch. The monster was stitched together...

All [her] speculations and hopes are as nothing, and like the archangel who aspired to omnipotence, [she] is chained in an eternal hell.

- modified Mary Shelly, Frankenstein

 

[OneLostGrl]

What blogs? can you please tell me where to find them? Thanks

I honestly don't remember where I got the link, I'm sorry!.. check in the rumor thread maybe the link is there?!

 

[OneLostGrl]

Thanks for these words...couldn't have said it better. I personally believe that there is something wrong mentally - you can call it illness or dysfunction or whatever you want - with anyone who takes another human being's life on purpose and without defensive cause. I also believe that the illness can be created by the environs the person comes up through, coupled with a conscious decision to give in to the demons those precursors created. The decision is 100% KC's. The factors are shared by the person's kookoo family. In this case, I believe the lion's share goes to CA (IMHO).

You wanting to "understand" how a person of KC's ilk can come to be is your attempt to find ground where you can continue to handle the situation as a human being versus a torch-carrying mob member in a Frankenstein flic...your attempt to find a way to have compassion. In this particular case it is very hard to voice "I have compassion for KC"..especially here, maybe, because people will tend to take that as if you are giving her leeway. It's not so. We can hold compassion and maintain the law - including punitive measures.

I have compassion for KC...I feel downright sorry for her. I personally believe she was in a mental prison for the majority of her adolescence under the warden named CA. I wish she had found the moral strength to overcome that with grace as many other people have done under the same circumstances. She didn't...and she stands accused. She said it the best she could in that last released tape of the jailhouse visit with her parents - "I have lost everything"...her daughter, her family, her freedom....her life as it could have been; but not when she got arrested, (as she thinks), but when she made the amoral (and I believe it was amoral versus immoral - there in lies the mental illness) decision she made. The only error in her statement was that she had "lost" everything...she didn't lose anything, she threw it all away and she knows right where she pitched it...in a cold, dark, skanky swamp, double-bagged and rotting.

I do feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for the fact she appears to have been raised in such a dysfunctional family and she gave in to the role of the victim so entirely, that when the defining moment in her life appeared, she chose to become a monster. Now we're all forced to take the moral ground and not pick up the torch. The monster was stitched together...

- modified Mary Shelly, Frankenstein

Great post!

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Thanks for these words...couldn't have said it better. I personally believe that there is something wrong mentally - you can call it illness or dysfunction or whatever you want - with anyone who takes another human being's life on purpose and without defensive cause. I also believe that the illness can be created by the environs the person comes up through, coupled with a conscious decision to give in to the demons those precursors created. The decision is 100% KC's. The factors are shared by the person's kookoo family. In this case, I believe the lion's share goes to CA (IMHO).

You wanting to "understand" how a person of KC's ilk can come to be is your attempt to find ground where you can continue to handle the situation as a human being versus a torch-carrying mob member in a Frankenstein flic...your attempt to find a way to have compassion. In this particular case it is very hard to voice "I have compassion for KC"..especially here, maybe, because people will tend to take that as if you are giving her leeway. It's not so. We can hold compassion and maintain the law - including punitive measures.

I have compassion for KC...I feel downright sorry for her. I personally believe she was in a mental prison for the majority of her adolescence under the warden named CA. I wish she had found the moral strength to overcome that with grace as many other people have done under the same circumstances. She didn't...and she stands accused. She said it the best she could in that last released tape of the jailhouse visit with her parents - "I have lost everything"...her daughter, her family, her freedom....her life as it could have been; but not when she got arrested, (as she thinks), but when she made the amoral (and I believe it was amoral versus immoral - there in lies the mental illness) decision she made. The only error in her statement was that she had "lost" everything...she didn't lose anything, she threw it all away and she knows right where she pitched it...in a cold, dark, skanky swamp, double-bagged and rotting.

I do feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for the fact she appears to have been raised in such a dysfunctional family and she gave in to the role of the victim so entirely, that when the defining moment in her life appeared, she chose to become a monster. Now we're all forced to take the moral ground and not pick up the torch. The monster was stitched together...

- modified Mary Shelly, Frankenstein

Great post and ITA, except, I'm not convinced GA was any better as a parent than CA, and think he may have even been worse than CA.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

This illustrates Cindy to a tee. How many times have we heard her ridiculously repeating KC's lies to LE as if they were fact, when she knew none of it was true. Even after LE gave her the proof that KC was NOT working like she said, Cindy still talked about KC going to work or was at work or whatever.
While KC was home on bond, I wonder if they ever asked her, "Why did you tell us you were working at Universal all that time? What were you doing? Why did you lie to us about that?" But I'm sure they didn't utter a peep. I don't understand all of the head in the sand behavior.

I am guessing they already knew she didn't have a job at Universal, or a nanny. As for the other lies, they probably didn't ask "why", because they knew "why".

 

[OneLostGrl]

Great post and ITA, except, I'm not convinced GA was any better as a parent than CA, and think he may have even been worse than CA.

I agree- I see him as worse because he simply ignored it all. He could have saved his kids but chose not to, IMO.

 

[newuser]

The best thing about the A's parenting I can see is that they are probably too old to pro-create again.

 

[reeseeva]

Great post and ITA, except, I'm not convinced GA was any better as a parent than CA, and think he may have even been worse than CA.

With all the human frailities George exhibits, he is the only one in that family that emotes real feelings He's been so knuckled under by CA, & allowed himself to become a mere shell of a man. Weak, yes, but you would have to have a steel coat of armour to retain your identity around that woman.

I remember CA speaking about when her & George separated & was discussing the Jesse G incident, about finding him in KC's room, & how mad they were about it, & CA replies, I couldn't have George intervene, because he was, at that time, "not the man of the house": WTH, He was never the "man of that house"... nada, never,...not allowed, just a figure-head!

I feel for George, as I see he wears his heart on his sleeve, & always seems to be apologizing for himself. I think he wanted to do what was right, just wasn't strong enough to enforce his opinions.

JMHO

 

[OneLostGrl]

The best thing about the A's parenting I can see is that they are probably too old to pro-create again.

Amen!

The biggest thing is that it's not too late to get help.. she could change her behaviors, he can grow some ba!!s- they could learn how to be happy. They could let something good come out of Caylee's death.. they could learn from it and change their behaviors. Unless their hands or their bodies were involved in Caylee's death then neither of them did this, they are not at fault here.

Some times I wish I could say to her "Stop living like this, aren't you so TIRED?!?! ?"

 

[OneLostGrl]

With all the human frailities George exhibits, he is the only one in that family that emotes real feelings He's been so knuckled under by CA, & allowed himself to become a mere shell of a man. Weak, yes, but you would have to have a steel coat of armour to retain your identity around that woman.

I remember CA speaking about when her & George separated & was discussing the Jesse G incident, about finding him in KC's room, & how mad they were about it, & CA replies, I couldn't have George intervene, because he was, at that time, "not the man of the house": WTH, He was never the "man of that house"... nada, never,...not allowed, just a figure-head!

I feel for George, as I see he wears his heart on his sleeve, & always seems to be apologizing for himself. I think he wanted to do what was right, just wasn't strong enough to enforce his opinions.

JMHO

I agree with this entire post. Every word in it. but I'll add that I believe George sought out a "Cindy" and Cindy would never stay with anyone but a "George". Dude's her doormat and for some reason he thinks he deserves to be her doormat.

It's sad. And it's sad what that relationship, their marriage taught their children about relationships between a man and a woman. It's interesting to me the things people do to their children without even realizing the damage it causes..

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I am guessing they already knew she didn't have a job at Universal, or a nanny. As for the other lies, they probably didn't ask "why", because they knew "why".

George said in the FBI interview that he had known for about 2 years that KC did not have a job. That told me that they ALL knew, and went along with the farce to keep peace.

I can see why KC was so bizarre in her behaviors, as she had Cindy as a role model. She had no sane role models.

The entire family is 90 degrees off plumb, and KC just wallowed around in the chaos. Lee in my opinion is mentally retarded, or a high functioning autistic adult. KC was in the "family hero" position when she had Caylee, but that all fell by the wayside when she started crossing Cindy again.

 

[Ripley007]

It isn't unconditional- it's all or nothing ("splitting") and you never know when it's going to switch or what is going to make them hate you, see you as their competitor. That's what makes it so difficult, that's what causes the damage.. the constant fear of what is going to happen next.


For example-

A child gets ill in the middle of the night, the mother comes and lovingly helps the child- gives medicine, changes the sheets, give the child a bath if need be and tucks the child back into bed. But then the next time the same exact thing happens and the child calls for mother, but the mother that shows up is not the same woman, this one is screaming, grabs the child up, yells that the child is "always waking me up in the middle of the night... how do you expect her to go to work if she was up half the night taking care of you When you probably aren't even sick, because you always seem to be faking this - it's like you want me to lose my job. Is that what your doing? You trying to get me fired? OMG, just go back to BED- and you are NOT staying home from school tomorrow so don't even think about asking you little faker!"

(And I firmly believe Cindy Anthony is the SAME type of woman- she opens her MOUTH and I can about smell my mother on her.. her splitting and gaslighting, how she manufactures Chaos. Her denial that is so strong and so *final* that it is better defined as dissociation (where their feelings create their facts)... I could go on but I'm sure ya get my drift LOL)

Wow!!! This analogy is THE BEST analogy I could ever think of to explain MY upbringing. Consistant INCONSISTANCY!!!! It was Okay one time to be vunuarble one minute, but NOT the next...
But OT of THIS thread is my previous coments...Wondering where the "Daddy" issues come into play. "Daddy" wasn't a major force. Think I just answered my own query but still look forward to your perspective. TIA!

PS-Are you calling "gaslighting" what other's writting about verbal abuse might call "crazy-making".

 

[Ripley007]

Okay so it it wasn't just me that thought this was extremely BiZARRE behavior. BUt his parents stood there beaming, so it is obviously normal for them, LOL.

About CA & GA not "noticing" how WEIRD Lee was...very good point! ITA!