University to students: All Whites are Racist

[Paladin]

With all due respect, Pal, whom does this affect more?

(ETA: I thought I was clear that I wasn't suggesting any great harm had been done in BG's example. However, I have often seen disagreements between gay people treated as "infantile" in the workplace, while the same disagreements between their married, heterosexual counterparts where considered significant and needing address. I believe this has everything to do with how we define "adulthood" in our society and the (largely heterosexual) rites of passage required to attain that status.

This isn't discrimination on the level of lynching or gay bashing, of course, and I'm not trying to say it is. But it does speak to the importance we place on public expressions of heterosexuality.)

Your scrutiny of words reminds me of an episode of Seinfeld. Tim Whatley is having a party that Jerry wasn't invited to and says to him "Jerry. I didn't think you'd show" and Jerry went on to overanalyze that statement.

TIM: Jerry. I didn't think you'd show.

JERRY: Did you say, "Jerry, I didn't think you'd SHOW" or, "Jerry, I didn't think YOU'D show"?

At any rate, I'm just picking on you.

 

[Nova]

Your scrutiny of words reminds me of an episode of Seinfeld. Tim Whatley is having a party that Jerry wasn't invited to and says to him "Jerry. I didn't think you'd show" and Jerry went on to overanalyze that statement.

TIM: Jerry. I didn't think you'd show.

JERRY: Did you say, "Jerry, I didn't think you'd SHOW" or, "Jerry, I didn't think YOU'D show"?

At any rate, I'm just picking on you.

That's okay. But I have to point out that Jerry Seinfeld became a billionaire by analyzing words. Apparently words matter to somebody.

And I'm sure you can see I was just using BG's parents' words as an example of a larger trend. Whatever is going on at U of D, I think they're trying to find a way to make the public component of sexuality more inclusive. And apparently doing a clumsy job of it.

 

[Indy Gal]

Reading only the first page of this thread I must say I am ASHAMED to be white!!!! I cannot believe how some of the post here still to this day projects racism! You want it to stop, then stop spewing all the hate against they, them, etc... Some ASSUME that all african americans feel this way which is just NOT THE TRUTH! I know many AA's and they will be the first to tell you they dont feel that way at all. I refuse to get into this discussion because as I said before it makes me EMBARASSED to be in the same race as some here spewing their hate!!

Now on the topic of this thread if it is proven true, which I cant even see as I dont want to read posters racist comments, then YES it is wrong.

ETA THIS is what makes me ashamed to be white.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1769440&postcount=16

 

[Rino]

Reading only the first page of this thread I must say I am ASHAMED to be white!!!!

Oh my! I guess it worked then

 

[Indy Gal]

Oh my! I guess it worked then

Okay I must admit you made me laugh!

 

[GlitchWizard]

The post you responded to listed celebrities. I didn't raise the subject first.

And you know the problem with looking at any microcosm and assuming it represents the whole.

But I agree with what Details said above, ANY group may (and will usually tend to) marginalize adjacent minorities. And that applies to localities where blacks are now the majority. And this is one more problem with defining racism only as what whites as a group have done to blacks in this country.

I know the post I you responded to listed celebrities (that I then responded to) - I know looking at any microcosm doesn't represent the whole - I also believe I was talking about the exceptions. My point was, it's not just a few celebrities, as you were having us believe, but also the reality of normal people in every day.

You can't possibly believe that only celebrities and people in my government office building are the only "exceptions" can you?

From what I have seen, equality was reached a long time ago. Surpassed in many cases and not satisfactory to many people in all cases. You're welcome to not see the same thing - but I do. Many black people I know see it, too.... the ones in my building who are the exceptions, of course.

 

[GlitchWizard]

Okay I must admit you made me laugh!

I am sorry you were offended by this discussion. :-(

 

[Details]

Reading only the first page of this thread I must say I am ASHAMED to be white!!!! I cannot believe how some of the post here still to this day projects racism! You want it to stop, then stop spewing all the hate against they, them, etc... Some ASSUME that all african americans feel this way which is just NOT THE TRUTH! I know many AA's and they will be the first to tell you they dont feel that way at all. I refuse to get into this discussion because as I said before it makes me EMBARASSED to be in the same race as some here spewing their hate!!

Now on the topic of this thread if it is proven true, which I cant even see as I dont want to read posters racist comments, then YES it is wrong.

ETA THIS is what makes me ashamed to be white.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1769440&postcount=16

OK, I'll be a little ticked. Are you now judging all white people by one, or maybe a few posters (personally, I see one, maybe 2 posters of the type you talk about). Ironic - and very wrong. If it's racist to judge a group of AA's by a few examples, it's exactly the same if you want to do that to white people, or any group at all.

 

[Details]

I know the post I you responded to listed celebrities (that I then responded to) - I know looking at any microcosm doesn't represent the whole - I also believe I was talking about the exceptions. My point was, it's not just a few celebrities, as you were having us believe, but also the reality of normal people in every day.

You can't possibly believe that only celebrities and people in my government office building are the only "exceptions" can you?

From what I have seen, equality was reached a long time ago. Surpassed in many cases and not satisfactory to many people in all cases. You're welcome to not see the same thing - but I do. Many black people I know see it, too.... the ones in my building who are the exceptions, of course.

A government building - the government works harder than anyone else to ensure equality, and they do tend to have 'diversity targets'. So looking around a government office building is probably the thing least represenative of the world as a whole.

 

[Indy Gal]

OK, I'll be a little ticked. Are you now judging all white people by one, or maybe a few posters (personally, I see one, maybe 2 posters of the type you talk about). Ironic - and very wrong. If it's racist to judge a group of AA's by a few examples, it's exactly the same if you want to do that to white people, or any group at all.

No not at all! And maybe I worded my post wrong. It just is so upsetting to me to see yes those 2 posters who still in 2007 think it is right to say stuff they do. I just dont understand it at all. I just dont get it, And it is people like them who make me ashamed to say I am white. Because just because they are only 2 posters who say it here, where I live this is MOST of white peoples feelings. I just dont get it.

ETA I am NOT a racist, you yourself have been working these threads with me and should know that by know. But I do see what maybe you are saying. Like I said if I worded it wrong sorry. Most here know I have a hard time putting down what is in my head

 

[Indy Gal]

I am sorry you were offended by this discussion. :-(

Not the discusion at all!! Like I said if it is true it is so wrong in many ways. I just cant understand somes feelings about African Americans, I just dont understand. I guess I may never understand.

 

[Nova]

I know the post I you responded to listed celebrities (that I then responded to) - I know looking at any microcosm doesn't represent the whole - I also believe I was talking about the exceptions. My point was, it's not just a few celebrities, as you were having us believe, but also the reality of normal people in every day.

You can't possibly believe that only celebrities and people in my government office building are the only "exceptions" can you?

From what I have seen, equality was reached a long time ago. Surpassed in many cases and not satisfactory to many people in all cases. You're welcome to not see the same thing - but I do. Many black people I know see it, too.... the ones in my building who are the exceptions, of course.

You say you know a microcosm may not be representative, then you go back to "from what I have seen."

For the record, there are millions of African American success stories. "From what I have seen" and as demonstrated scientifically. I don't claim that anyone of any color is a mere victim of cultural prejudices.

But people--again, all people of every color--live in cultural and economic contexts and their choices are influenced by the options available to them. It isn't a crime to try to improve those options and people's awareness of the options available to them.

I've already said I don't think the claim that "all whites are inherently racist" is productive. But simply pointing to exceptional individuals to say everything is hunky dory now is living in denial.

 

[deanws]

The problem lies in defining "best" student. Best for whom? Best for what? All college admissions are based on past events, which may or may not be reliable indicators of future success.

Well, NOTHING is sure in life but death and taxes....however, grades, test scores and community involvement IS a reliable indicator of future success as far as I am concerned. Color or what is or isn't between your legs shouldn't have anything to do with getting accepted for a special program.

 

[Nova]

No not at all! And maybe I worded my post wrong. It just is so upsetting to me to see yes those 2 posters who still in 2007 think it is right to say stuff they do. I just dont understand it at all. I just dont get it, And it is people like them who make me ashamed to say I am white. Because just because they are only 2 posters who say it here, where I live this is MOST of white peoples feelings. I just dont get it.

Thank you for confirming my worst fears about my sister and niece's move to Indianapolis.

 

[Indy Gal]

Thank you for confirming my worst fears about my sister and niece's move to Indianapolis.

KKK still is here daily in Indy! It is a damn shame but they are. Maybe this is where I get my feelings from. My feelings for AA's that is. I have been told from birth to hate AA's. I see it every F'ing day and am just so sick of it. I would seriously have them check out Fishers or Carmel Nova.

ETA Or tell them to move next door to Indy(insert smiling Icon)

 

[deanws]

I think this is an easy answer to me, It should be based on your gpa from your bachelor's degree and possibly volunteer or work experience. What other basis should this be decided upon?

Exactly!!!! But often it isn't. Quotas do NOT belong in the system here. Hard work and dedication to educational studies and community service, job experience and overall personal character are the qualities that make a person successful in life...IMO

 

[Nova]

Well, NOTHING is sure in life but death and taxes....however, grades, test scores and community involvement IS a reliable indicator of future success as far as I am concerned. Color or what is or isn't between your legs shouldn't have anything to do with getting accepted for a special program.

And if all the doctors and lawyers come from relatively wealthy, white suburbs, what will you have the inner-city poor do when they need a doctor or lawyer?

I'm not being flippant. The paucity of medical and legal professionals in the inner cities is scandalous.

 

[Indy Gal]

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071031/LOCAL/71031010/0/LOCAL1802

Just yesterday this is what we were going through. I would post more but dont feel I should take over this thread.

 

[Nova]

KKK still is here daily in Indy! It is a damn shame but they are. Maybe this is where I get my feelings from. My feelings for AA's that is. I have been told from birth to hate AA's. I see it every F'ing day and am just so sick of it. I would seriously have them check out Fishers or Carmel Nova.

ETA Or tell them to move next door to Indy(insert smiling Icon)

Actually, my sister would prefer to live inside the beltway. But then she checked out the schools... (True story.)

 

[Nova]

Exactly!!!! But often it isn't. Quotas do NOT belong in the system here. Hard work and dedication to educational studies and community service, job experience and overall personal character are the qualities that make a person successful in life...IMO

But that's just the point! You write as if qualities like "hard work" and "dedication" were easy to quantify and measure.

I grew up in a lower middle-class family, but all adults had at least a couple of years of college. Grammar lessons and standardized tests were relatively easy for me because the answers sounded just like the speech I grew up hearing at home. Compare me to someone who only heard a traditionally lower class dialect at home: how much more "hard work" did s/he put in--just to get slightly lower scores?