University to students: All Whites are Racist

[gardenmom]

I am white and I go to a historically black college. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but I'm guessing it's between 80-90% black. I do not like the idea of a college promoting this kind of nonsense. What is does is builds up feelings of resentment on both races.:furious:

 

[Rino]

I wish our schools would teach kids that it doesn't matter if you're black, white, brown, purple or green, we are all part of ONE race...the human race.

It's not easy being green.......kermit the frog:crazy:

Originally Posted by Paladin
My only wish is that we had some people who actually attend(ed) the school so we can ask them what their experiences were like.

The sister of my daughters friend goes, a jr.

On halloween I asked their father about it. They are not white, he heard about it and "It was one of those dumb things that will likely never get noticed. You know college (shrugs)"

Giggle, we noticed

 

[Nova]

I wish our schools would teach kids that it doesn't matter if you're black, white, brown, purple or green, we are all part of ONE race...the human race.

If the day ever comes when skin color doesn't matter, I'm sure universities will teach that.

But in the meantime they have to teach what is, not what we wish.

 

[BarnGoddess]

Originally Posted by Paladin
My only wish is that we had some people who actually attend(ed) the school so we can ask them what their experiences were like.

I will be 64 in December. I never got my degree, but am now taking classes at our local Community College. I get to take exactly what I want. So, I've taken Excel I & II, Access I & II, Word I & II, Advanced Keyboard, Digital Cameras, Photoshop, Front Page, Power Point, Web Page, and Computerized Accounting. I'm seriously thinking about taking Drawing I and Painting I next semester just for fun. I have all A's in everything I have completed. All classes here are open to anyone who applies, regardless of age, race or for some classes whether a high school diploma has been received. Personally, I'm having a ball taking these classes. Of course, this is a COMMUNITY college, so the enterence requirements are not as strict as those of a university. Those students serious enough in gaining an education can certainly enter the system through a community or junior college. I will cite an example here of a young lady who recevied her high school diploma and her Associates Degree the same day. I know it's the exception, but she actually accomplished it. She is attending CU in Boulder for her last 2 years. It can be done. I will admit we have only a handfull of blacks in our area, but a number of Mexican-Americans. Yes, I am in class with Mexican-Americans. I will tell you the majority of my classes contain those close to my age. It's probably the type of classes we are all taking. I know from one of my instructors, the beginning computer classes are full of really senior citizens. I square dance with one gentleman, and he's 81, in this class and he's doing a GPS project and needs to learn about computers. He was also given a digital camera and we took the camera class together.

The opportunity to get into a college is out there, there should be no excuse for anyone not to get a start somewhere. It doesn't have to be an Ivy League student for 4 years. If your degree says Princeton, etc., in the long run, does it matter that for the first 2 years you attended a junior/community college? Based on the number of drop-outs in major universities during the freshman year, it should be rather easy to matriculate as a junior, I would think.

 

[Dark Knight]

If the day ever comes when skin color doesn't matter, I'm sure universities will teach that.

But in the meantime they have to teach what is, not what we wish.

That was MLK's "dream" so many years ago. Our progress has been poor, I'd say. From ALL sides.

 

[IrishMist]

That was MLK's "dream" so many years ago. Our progress has been poor, I'd say. From ALL sides.

What do you mean when you say "From ALL sides"?

 

[Indy Gal]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

That was MLK's "dream" so many years ago. Our progress has been poor, I'd say. From ALL sides.

 

[Indy Gal]

What do you mean when you say "From ALL sides"?

The reason I clapped(cant speak for anyone but myself) but all people have prevent MLKs dream of all people becoming equal. If only everyone really listened to that spech and followed in his footsteps. This world would not be filled with so much hate, as it clearly is. Again not speaking for DK but for myself.

 

[Indy Gal]

http://www.usconstitution.net/dream.html

This is always the part that speaks out to me.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

 

[IrishMist]

The reason I clapped(cant speak for anyone but myself) but all people have prevent MLKs dream of all people becoming equal. If only everyone really listened to that spech and followed in his footsteps. This world would not be filled with so much hate, as it clearly is. Again not speaking for DK but for myself.

That's what my first impression was, but then I wondered if he meant that we've gotten to the point of reverse discrimination. I.E. where skin color matters from all sides.

That's why I asked what he meant.

 

[crypto6]

That's okay. But I have to point out that Jerry Seinfeld became a billionaire by analyzing words. Apparently words matter to somebody.

And I'm sure you can see I was just using BG's parents' words as an example of a larger trend. Whatever is going on at U of D, I think they're trying to find a way to make the public component of sexuality more inclusive. And apparently doing a clumsy job of it.

Use of "the boys" and "the girls" is contextual, esp in the American South. It usually means a group of same-sexed people who have a common functional role, usually friendship to one another and to the speaker. There is also the jab at aging when the boys are 60+ years old. William Faulkner and some Flannery O'Connor shorts will get you started.

I'm still having a problem getting my mind around what you are saying about people who are in the minority, skin color-wise, sexual orientation-wise. Do you feel the system of going about daily life should be changed by the majority to recognize the personhood of those different from themselves?? What is the marginalization you feel? I get more of an existential loneliness from what you are saying, not any heavy-handed oppression by the majority.
Help me out here, because I can almost grasp your point, but it slips away when I analyze it.

Cryto6

 

[reb]

I always thought that term 'reverse discrimination' was ridiculous, and even offensive (if I was one of those people who got offended at every little thing). In other words,, it's saying that whites 'invented' racism-- that racism is INHERENTLY anti-black, by definition. Therefore, to be black and prejudiced against whites, is 'REVERSE' racism. The same idea as 'only whites are capable of hate crimes'. Sooner or later the day will have to come when things will finally be EQUAL--- all violent crimes will be hate crimes... and racism will just be plain racism.

Then again people have to realize the reasons WHY people of one color are often annoyed and disgusted with people of another color. As for why everyone hates whites.. OK,, yeah, we get it already. Our ancestors (or the ancestors of some of us).. did this, that, and the other. But the 'black community' (as they call themselves) needs to take a good hard look at themselves too... and think about why so many people are disgusted by their behavior (i.e., the behavior of many of them). It's not about blatant 'hate' or racism... maybe it's that many people are disappointed in them... and angry at the large population of them that does nothing but cause trouble, drag humanity down, use the N-word incessantly and about the evil white man. Even the intelligent ones seem to be obsessed with their own race.. and will play that card every chance they get... and I know that sometimes they may have a valid reason.. but 9 times out of 10 they just use it to instill fear in whites and to get their way.

And for those who say 'don't generalize when it comes to black people'.. well,,, tell THEM not to generalize by saying that all whites owned slaves!! .. it works both ways, people!

Anyway.... I'm glad to see they got rid of the program,,, that was an idiotic and RACIST idea in the first place!

 

[Details]

I'd say "reverse racism" doesn't mean racism against white people. To me, it means when attempt to counter racism are overdone, to a point where it becomes accidental racism against people not discriminated against.

Racism - a blue person, who believes all greens are inferior, refuses to hire a higher qualified green.
Reverse Racism - a blue person - who is not biased against blues, nor biased against greens - refuses to hire a higher qualified blue, trying to counter racism against greens.

The distinction is, for racism, the racist believes the person they discriminate against to be inferior. In reverse racism, the person they discriminate against, they do not believe to be inferior, but none the less, there is discrimination.

 

[Details]

...And for those who say 'don't generalize when it comes to black people'.. well,,, tell THEM not to generalize by saying that all whites owned slaves!! .. it works both ways, people!...

It does...


If you want people to stop generalizing, it's always easiest to sell that message when you follow it yourself. No one you are talking to here has said that all white people owned slaves.

 

[Filly]

oh lord. i wish this wasn't posted on here because there i know there are a few people who are going to get really worked up over this and take it as another example of how whites are oh-so mistreated at the hands of blacks.

various (disconnected) thoughts:

the "whites can only be racist" thing is widely accepted in sociology and other social sciences.

i'm a bit wary of the article -- it seems extremely biased and sounds to me like they are twisting things to make it seem worse than it is.

personally i believe there are two levels of racism -- structural racism (to which the previous definition would apply, as whites do still hold the majority of power in the united states) and individual racism, which anyone can be capable of. but thats just my :twocents:

With all due respect it should be posted everywhere. Of course people would get worked up over it. Example of whites being mistreated by blacks? I live in Philadelphia. If not for me being female I wouldn't be a memeber of the protected class. Last year we had a white boy shot by a group of black boys who admitted in court they went to an all white neighborhood to rob people. This kid is dead. That was not warrented as a hate crime. Of course that's just one example, but what can we expect when a College is handing out this garbage? I agree with Reb also on the "reverse discrimination" issue. It is what it is. Discrimination in any race or class, socio-economic background. Oh, today is a nice day and as people we all are individuals. It's just that's out there with them True Israelites that scream at the blue eyed devil every single day when I'm on my way to work. It's getting old. Oh and if a group of white folk get together and challenge this University Of Delaware, heaven forbid somebody will scream KKK. It always comes down to Boss Hog and the KKK if you are proud of your race and heritage.

 

[crypto6]

With all due respect it should be posted everywhere. Of course people would get worked up over it. Example of whites being mistreated by blacks? I live in Philadelphia. If not for me being female I wouldn't be a memeber of the protected class. Last year we had a white boy shot by a group of black boys who admitted in court they went to an all white neighborhood to rob people. This kid is dead. That was not warrented as a hate crime. Of course that's just one example, but what can we expect when a College is handing out this garbage? I agree with Reb also on the "reverse discrimination" issue. It is what it is. Discrimination in any race or class, socio-economic background. Oh, today is a nice day and as people we all are individuals. It's just that's out there with them True Israelites that scream at the blue eyed devil every single day when I'm on my way to work. It's getting old. Oh and if a group of white folk get together and challenge this University Of Delaware, heaven forbid somebody will scream KKK. It always comes down to Boss Hog and the KKK if you are proud of your race and heritage.

More to Blue and ( I think) Nova's points: Why shouldn't Caucasians hold a majority of the power? They are in the majority, and we live in a democratic republic. There are provisions made for representation of minority interest, if their interests differ from the majority. I don’t understand the concept of ‘institutional racism’ based on the majority having power; there may be other reasoning which will make it clear, but this attempt is a definition, not an explanation. What I see is groups of ‘ists’ of all colors and preferences condoning the social and personal disparagement of those not like them based solely on that criterion. Sadie Mae is right: Like the forest is made of trees, racism is a made of groups of people behaving badly because they are malevolent, and usually ignorant.

Crypto6

 

[Nova]

Use of "the boys" and "the girls" is contextual, esp in the American South. It usually means a group of same-sexed people who have a common functional role, usually friendship to one another and to the speaker. There is also the jab at aging when the boys are 60+ years old. William Faulkner and some Flannery O'Connor shorts will get you started.

I'm still having a problem getting my mind around what you are saying about people who are in the minority, skin color-wise, sexual orientation-wise. Do you feel the system of going about daily life should be changed by the majority to recognize the personhood of those different from themselves?? What is the marginalization you feel? I get more of an existential loneliness from what you are saying, not any heavy-handed oppression by the majority.
Help me out here, because I can almost grasp your point, but it slips away when I analyze it.

Cryto6

In the first place, Cryto, you're preachin' to the choir with Faulkner (my favorite novelist) and O'Connor (my favorite short-story writer, and her novels ain't bad neither). You can throw in Tennessee Williams (my favorite playwright) while you're at it. I got into grad school with a paper on the debt of Williams to Faulkner's prose, something scholars had tended to miss in their many works comparing Williams with Chekhov.

And, yes, you are correct that we (not just Southerners) still refer to men and women as "boys" and "girls" in certain contexts. Sports teams, the army. I work at theater where the performer age from 56 to 84-years-old and, according to tradition, the men and women of the chorus are sometimes still called "boys" and "girls."

But I don't believe those conventions were at play with the two retailers that BarnGoddess described.

Instead, I believe they were thought of as "boys" because they had never undergone the rites of passage that are central to a public heterosexual orientation (marriage and children) and that make one an "adult" in the heterosexual world. I have experienced this with myself and my partner with people who didn't know him 30+ years ago (when he had a wife and children).

I am NOT suggesting anyone involved is homophobic or unkind, and obviously being viewed as eternally juvenile isn't a problem on the order of gay bashing. But I have seen disagreements between gay co-workers in a corporate environment treated as playground squabbles while the same disagreements between straight co-workers were taken very seriously. And I submit that when people choose a CEO, a doctor, a lawyer, etc., they will tend to choose a "man" or "woman" over a "boy" or "girl."

This entire conversation came about because posters were insisting that sexual orientation is a "private" manner. I was pointing out that there are public components of sexual orientation and objective consequences.

As for "existential loneliness," I think that's a subjective issue. As far as I know, it visits gays and straights alike without discriminating.

 

[Nova]

More to Blue and ( I think) Nova's points: Why shouldn't Caucasians hold a majority of the power? They are in the majority, and we live in a democratic republic. There are provisions made for representation of minority interest, if their interests differ from the majority. I don’t understand the concept of ‘institutional racism’ based on the majority having power; there may be other reasoning which will make it clear, but this attempt is a definition, not an explanation. What I see is groups of ‘ists’ of all colors and preferences condoning the social and personal disparagement of those not like them based solely on that criterion. Sadie Mae is right: Like the forest is made of trees, racism is a made of groups of people behaving badly because they are malevolent, and usually ignorant.

Crypto6

To the extent that "power" can be quantified (in elections, say), few people are arguing that whites shouldn't have more power in those areas where they comprise the majority. With safeguards of minority rights, as you point out. (Yes, I remember there have been proposals to change the way we vote so as to provide greater majority representation, but these controversial proposals aimed to give minorities SOME power where they had none. They weren't designed to upset majority rule completely.)

But safeguarding minority rights is a never-ending struggle. Power tends to perpetuate itself, and powerful people tend to pass their power on to their children. Naturally, such people will see any attempt to force them to share power as "reverse discrimination."

What's sad is that issues of public policy are always viewed through the lens of scarcity. When we finally recognized that "separate-but-equal" was anything but equal, we didn't say "Let's expand our best universities to make room for the 10% of the population that has been excluded." We immediately jumped to "Whom can we kick out to make room for black people." (I'm oversimplifying, but I trust you know what I mean.)

 

[crypto6]

To the extent that "power" can be quantified (in elections, say), few people are arguing that whites shouldn't have more power in those areas where they comprise the majority. With safeguards of minority rights, as you point out. (Yes, I remember there have been proposals to change the way we vote so as to provide greater majority representation, but these controversial proposals aimed to give minorities SOME power where they had none. They weren't designed to upset majority rule completely.)

But safeguarding minority rights is a never-ending struggle. Power tends to perpetuate itself, and powerful people tend to pass their power on to their children. Naturally, such people will see any attempt to force them to share power as "reverse discrimination."

What's sad is that issues of public policy are always viewed through the lens of scarcity. When we finally recognized that "separate-but-equal" was anything but equal, we didn't say "Let's expand our best universities to make room for the 10% of the population that has been excluded." We immediately jumped to "Whom can we kick out to make room for black people." (I'm oversimplifying, but I trust you know what I mean.)

Thanks for the replies. Lots of good stuff here, all of which is going into my forestomach now for rumination later tonight and tomorrow. Scotch may be employed....

Crypto6

 

[Nova]

Thanks for the replies. Lots of good stuff here, all of which is going into my forestomach now for rumination later tonight and tomorrow. Scotch may be employed....

Crypto6

Scotch can only help. Have a shot for me, will ya?