Unorganized Searching

[chesterp]

Baznme - I have everything QUITE clear thank you.

Right now I'd like a refund of my TES donation.

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I am sure if you requested a refund you would receive it.

 

[Celt1997]

This might clear up a little bit for you:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/p...n=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

And BTW, as far as I know, Cindy stopped by to see Tim after she left Blanchard Park.

I understand that TM & LP had a falling out. But if TES and TM want to find Caylee, as they say they do, then why would they let some petty fight with LP stop them? So what if LP wants to run a "circus?" It's very easy to have LP barred from the areas that TES is searching. If they have problems, then let LP do his thing, while TES does theirs...it doesn't mean pack up and leave.

I still support TES and everything they do, but I think TM handled this completely unprofessionally.

 

[FloridaKatz]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Very well said!! I was there - same exact scenario!! Were you on my team??? I brought a whistle and gave it to my team leader. Every once in a while he blew it and we all regrouped. I adore TM and TES and the entire intention of them, but was also VERY very disenchanted with the process. The organization was atrocious! If I had known it was going to be that bad, I would have reported the day before and organized - lots of us would have...

I still fail to understand what cost so much $$ since the food and water was mostly donated by WSers and Murt groups - people were mostly volunteer, off duty cops and equipment, etc. Maybe those sonars are expensive by the hour? Helicopter ride arounds? Hotels? Didn't TM say on NG that he was flying in 100 team members? How much was that? hotels? food?

Still gotta love them though - each and every one...

If you were the one wearing the red hat, I was the one that introduced myself to you and asked if you wanted to join a team I was leading from another Caylee forum...?

In speaking with other Team Leaders and reading the many comments here, I think we can all agree to disagree that we all had different experiences with how the search went this weekend, and what we think is "organized" vs. "not organized".

I know the "lesson learned" for me, is that if you involve yourself in a search, research the group/organization you are searching for. If they do not have a local organized core team on the ground that is familiar with managing large groups and know the local area, then you are better off working directly with the local sheriff's dept., local national guard/army, or other police depts. that have the appropriate organizational skill set and lengthy training.

God Bless everyone of us who searched, and everyone who prayed, sent food and/or water for the searchers. I know this has been an experience that none of us will ever forget.

Kind Regards to all
FLKatz

 

[heartfortruth]

I understand that TM & LP had a falling out. But if TES and TM want to find Caylee, as they say they do, then why would they let some petty fight with LP stop them? So what if LP wants to run a "circus?" It's very easy to have LP barred from the areas that TES is searching. If they have problems, then let LP do his thing, while TES does theirs...it doesn't mean pack up and leave.

I still support TES and everything they do, but I think TM handled this completely unprofessionally.

I just heard Murt say that that they had gotten the "falling out" straightened out and that the "hackers" probably had had something to do with the cause of it.
I would urge that we all sit back a see what happens ; unless you are / were THERE and really know what is going on wouldn't it be best not to make judgments when you don't have all the facts?

 

[Meagain]

The David Lohr interview is a FACT. So are videos of Tim saying these things.

 

[JaJo]

I think it is so wrong for Tim to say this stuff below when it's due to all the media attention Nancy Grace and LP gave TES that the donations flowed in like they did. LP claims he's the one who got TES back to search again.

In regards to comments he made yesterday about CNN's Nancy Grace, Tim said that he is not specifically upset with Grace only, but that he is disappointed in all of the outlets that have chose to sensationalize the Caylee Anthony case.

"They took the focus off of Caylee and put it on the Leonard Padilla circus. They gave him the power to do what he did. None of what Leonard did was about Caylee. He has his own interests and agenda in this case."

 

[JaJo]

I wasn't even in the state of Florida so it is probably not my place to say but the last search that ended early there was the speculation of the very thing that you have ssaid and all our hopes were up, I mean we were waiting on pins and needles everyday for a big announcement..that never came. So with that being said, I don't want to even get on that merry-go-round. I think the search ended because a family needed TM and TES in NC, it was urgent and the search was called off early just like TM said. JMO.

I think it was hard feelings between TM and LP that made TM call the search off early. LP was ticked about it and called Murt AFTER it was announced TM was calling off the search. It was then Murt put it on his internet feed that LP was going to continue the search on his own and send divers into the water.

Why is TM so angry with LP and why has he accused him of: "He has his own interests and agenda in this case." If so, what are LP's interests and agenda in this case?

 

[FloridaKatz]

Funny Story -

Not trying to make light of this case, but for anyone who was at the command center on Saturday, did you see the woman that had the little chijuajua dog on a leash with a search pack on it's back ? I'm standing there waiting to leave for the search area, and I'm thinking - is that little baby going to make it through the thickets and palmetto palms, and I wondered if it was cadaver trained. I didn't have the nerve to say or ask the woman anything. I didn't see her there on Sunday. Things that made me go Hmmmmmmm this weekend !

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Ok, not that anyone cares; but I think TM is causing the media circus right now.

I posted earlier in this thread, or another one somewhere on this board; that I have donated every payperiod to TES, with a 100% employer match; for the last 3 years.

Sad to say, that I just submitted my form to HR to stop the donations, after reading the latest interviews of TM bashing LP. I think it's petty and if TM is going to stop searching for anyone, not just Caylee, but anyone based on a disagreement, then I will no longer contribute to that cause.

I never thought I would see this day, but I have lost all respect for TM. I don't know what going on with him, LP, NG or anyone else, all I know is that this is very, very, sad!

 

[Blackwatch]

For everything there is a season.. .

I believe this is the season for healing. We've seen everyone vent, and rightly so. Now, what are we left with? We still have TES that does a great thing for many people. If they didn't find Caylee was it any BIG surprise? It wasn't to me. Yet, TM still helps those in need of it.

I believe it's time for everyone to put this behind them and come together once more. I could say THIS IS ALL ABOUT CAYLEE but I don't believe that's the truth. Caylee has been upstaged, first by her family, then by the "searchers", then by the chism that developed between all of us here. I now believe this is about love, understanding, and forgiveness. Note - I did not say agreement, I said understanding - in all of its connotations. I realize there are some people who may not warrant forgiveness just yet, but that remains to be seen.

In my opinion, Caylee is out of this, in a better place, and has been from the start of this case. I now believe it's up to the rest of us to unite and see that justice is done.

My opinion only.

 

[GRANNYL]

For everything there is a season.. .

I believe this is the season for healing. We've seen everyone vent, and rightly so. Now, what are we left with? We still have TES that does a great thing for many people. If they didn't find Caylee was it any BIG surprise? It wasn't to me. Yet, TM still helps those in need of it.

I believe it's time for everyone to put this behind them and come together once more. I could say THIS IS ALL ABOUT CAYLEE but I don't believe that's the truth. Caylee has been upstaged, first by her family, then by the "searchers", then by the chism that developed between all of us here. I now believe this is about love, understanding, and forgiveness. Note - I did not say agreement, I said understanding - in all of its connotations. I realize there are some people who may not warrant forgiveness just yet, but that remains to be seen.

In my opinion, Caylee is out of this, in a better place, and has been from the start of this case. I now believe it's up to the rest of us to unite and see that justice is done.

My opinion only.

THANKS AGREE 100%!!! Please lets stop and get back to finding the missing. All this energy could maybe find a clue to bring someone home to their family lets don't waste anymore.:blowkiss:
GRANNYL

 

[Baznme]

Ok, not that anyone cares; but I think TM is causing the media circus right now.

I posted earlier in this thread, or another one somewhere on this board; that I have donated every payperiod to TES, with a 100% employer match; for the last 3 years.

Sad to say, that I just submitted my form to HR to stop the donations, after reading the latest interviews of TM bashing LP. I think it's petty and if TM is going to stop searching for anyone, not just Caylee, but anyone based on a disagreement, then I will no longer contribute to that cause.

I never thought I would see this day, but I have lost all respect for TM. I don't know what going on with him, LP, NG or anyone else, all I know is that this is very, very, sad!

You are entitled to feel whatever way you choose but I am very sorry you feel that way. If you are going by what you read and not what you've seen, than I ask you to reconsider regarding Tim. He's walked in these shoes and has done what he felt was right. I stand behind Tim's decision 100% because I was there and I saw things from his perspective.

 

[Baznme]

Funny Story -

Not trying to make light of this case, but for anyone who was at the command center on Saturday, did you see the woman that had the little chijuajua dog on a leash with a search pack on it's back ? I'm standing there waiting to leave for the search area, and I'm thinking - is that little baby going to make it through the thickets and palmetto palms, and I wondered if it was cadaver trained. I didn't have the nerve to say or ask the woman anything. I didn't see her there on Sunday. Things that made me go Hmmmmmmm this weekend !

FloridaKatz, what was in that water you were drinkin? LOLOLOL I didn't see it but I wish I had.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I think it was hard feelings between TM and LP that made TM call the search off early. LP was ticked about it and called Murt AFTER it was announced TM was calling off the search. It was then Murt put it on his internet feed that LP was going to continue the search on his own and send divers into the water.

Why is TM so angry with LP and why has he accused him of: "He has his own interests and agenda in this case." If so, what are LP's interests and agenda in this case?

Tim called off the search SUNDAY after lunch. LP has said NOTHING at that point about any search and his people were still out searching.

This does not need to get twisted

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Can anyone hear? My sound is out, but I want to know what they are getting ready to bring up.

 

[FLbeachdawg]

I think it is so wrong for Tim to say this stuff below when it's due to all the media attention Nancy Grace and LP gave TES that the donations flowed in like they did. LP claims he's the one who got TES back to search again.

Okay, I was there too and yes it was unorganized, but I promise you THIS Time was WAAAAAAAAAAY better than the last time and then there were only a couple hundred of us. But, nevertheless, people were still trying. It could be much better, but instead of venting here, how about write letters to TES and give them ideas of how to improve...or offer your organizational help to HELP them improve.

In defense of Tim, I would be ticked off at LP too...
I can tell you every time I was at the command center, LP was always RIGHT there, right in the CENTER of it all. If there was a camera he would find it....and this was ALL day. He would just jump in front of every video camera and take pictures with the searchers relishing EVERY little bit of attention he was getting. I never saw that man leave to go on a search and I even asked him about it because it was ticking me off watching him be the media tramp. He tried to say he went on two searches, but I would seriously like to know how much of that was for show and how much of it he actually got down and actually looked for something. I just really don't know what to make of him and personally, I think the only reason he stayed was for his own personal gain and HE MADE that apparent to me when he ANNOUNCED publicly where he would be searching (in blanchard park)...(this is red flag number one because you just don't ANNOUNCE that unless he was wanting media attention..and he was intentionally putting things out there to get the Anthony's to show up and cause a scene...he knew what would ruffle their feathers...and that right there AGAIN made me annoyed with him.) I don't care for the Team A either...but he was provoking them. If LP wants to search, then search and keep your mouth shut. Ask for searchers, but don't go announcing every little detail of what you found and where you will be to every media outlet. This poor little girls life has been bought with a terrible price. I'm saddened to see how many people are looking to cash in at her expense.

I think Tim had every right to pull out and go look for someone else who actually may be alive. I care about Caylee being found too, but there are a lot of other missing people and children out there who deserve just as much attention and I don't think Tim Miller has the heart to tell someone NO he can't go look for their family member who could be wandering around alive because Caylee's body hasn't been found. I don't fault him for leaving to go help someone else in need. And this is to all of you are angry with Tim Miller for leaving - If it were YOUR family member missing, I'm sure you wouldn't be bashing him for leaving, but praising him for coming to help.

I tell you where we were searching, it was hundreds of acres and searching for someone as small as caylee is harder than searching for a needle in a haystack. The area is just too big and not enough searchers to cover all that ground to really "clear" an area. She was so small, she could easily be missed or passed by in such thick woods. I don't know how she will ever be found unfortunately and that is so depressing...esp when there is ONE person who knows exactly where she is.

 

[Baznme]

Okay, I was there too and yes it was unorganized, but I promise you THIS Time was WAAAAAAAAAAY better than the last time and then there were only a couple hundred of us. But, nevertheless, people were still trying. It could be much better, but instead of venting here, how about write letters to TES and give them ideas of how to improve...or offer your organizational help to HELP them improve.

In defense of Tim, I would be ticked off at LP too...
I can tell you every time I was at the command center, LP was always RIGHT there, right in the CENTER of it all. If there was a camera he would find it....and this was ALL day. He would just jump in front of every video camera and take pictures with the searchers relishing EVERY little bit of attention he was getting. I never saw that man leave to go on a search and I even asked him about it because it was ticking me off watching him be the media tramp. He tried to say he went on two searches, but I would seriously like to know how much of that was for show and how much of it he actually got down and actually looked for something. I just really don't know what to make of him and personally, I think the only reason he stayed was for his own personal gain and HE MADE that apparent to me when he ANNOUNCED publicly where he would be searching (in blanchard park)...(this is red flag number one because you just don't ANNOUNCE that unless he was wanting media attention..and he was intentionally putting things out there to get the Anthony's to show up and cause a scene...he knew what would ruffle their feathers...and that right there AGAIN made me annoyed with him.) I don't care for the Team A either...but he was provoking them. If LP wants to search, then search and keep your mouth shut. Ask for searchers, but don't go announcing every little detail of what you found and where you will be to every media outlet. This poor little girls life has been bought with a terrible price. I'm saddened to see how many people are looking to cash in at her expense.

I think Tim had every right to pull out and go look for someone else who actually may be alive. I care about Caylee being found too, but there are a lot of other missing people and children out there who deserve just as much attention and I don't think Tim Miller has the heart to tell someone NO he can't go look for their family member who could be wandering around alive because Caylee's body hasn't been found. I don't fault him for leaving to go help someone else in need. And this is to all of you are angry with Tim Miller for leaving - If it were YOUR family member missing, I'm sure you wouldn't be bashing him for leaving, but praising him for coming to help.

I tell you where we were searching, it was hundreds of acres and searching for someone as small as caylee is harder than searching for a needle in a haystack. The area is just too big and not enough searchers to cover all that ground to really "clear" an area. She was so small, she could easily be missed or passed by in such thick woods. I don't know how she will ever be found unfortunately and that is so depressing...esp when there is ONE person who knows exactly where she is.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::blowkiss:

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Funny Story -

Not trying to make light of this case, but for anyone who was at the command center on Saturday, did you see the woman that had the little chijuajua dog on a leash with a search pack on it's back ? I'm standing there waiting to leave for the search area, and I'm thinking - is that little baby going to make it through the thickets and palmetto palms, and I wondered if it was cadaver trained. I didn't have the nerve to say or ask the woman anything. I didn't see her there on Sunday. Things that made me go Hmmmmmmm this weekend !

I did not see that, but I would have been banned by TES at that point, because I would have had to take a picture of that. ROFL!!

How funny.

 

[EgyptNug]

could be much better, but instead of venting here, how about write letters to TES and give them ideas of how to improve...or offer your organizational help to HELP them improve.

I think it is okay to share here how well the search seemed to be organized, for those that were not there. I don't think that needs to be silenced (if anyone is suggesting that) just out of kindness to TM because it does impact how people offer their own time for private searching. But I agree that it is also proactive to offer suggestions to TES as well.

I can tell you every time I was at the command center, LP was always RIGHT there, right in the CENTER of it all. If there was a camera he would find it....and this was ALL day. He would just jump in front of every video camera and take pictures with the searchers relishing EVERY little bit of attention he was getting.

While we stood for 2 hours Saturday morning waiting for buses (that never came) we said hi to LP and took a pic with him. He was really sweet to anyone that approached him, that I witnessed. Was he relishing in the attention? No doubt. But for many of us, it was really nice that he did not stay in the trailer, while the rest of us waited in the hot sun, but rather he greeted searchers and thanked them. I did not see him use the microphone, nor address the crowds in any way. He and RD and some other guys just stood with the rest of us as we waited.

I DID see him interviewed. I also saw someone from our group interviewed at one of the undisclosed locations that required special clearance for us to be on (did the reporters have clearance to be on restricted property?). That person was NOT asked to leave after speaking with the reporter. Instead, our team leader walked the camera crew and female reporter OVER to where there was a flag up, and showed the reporter and the film guy some flagged items. (I don't know if they interviewed the group leader, but he absolutely cooperated with the tv crew to show them the flagged findings. After the crew left, this team leader stopped searching and stopped leading, with approximately 25% of the area still not searched. We searchers searched those areas on our own while he sat around. As I said before, he did NOT flag an item that should have been flagged, because he was busy on his walkie talkie (? or push to talk) talking to another team about where the golfcart was, and, imo, the camera crew was gone and he wasn't interested in anything but sitting in the shade at that point.

My point is just that LP is not the only one that hammed it up for tv coverage.

I think LP is a "character" fersure, but I think he's done more good than harm in this case, and kept it at the forefront of Nancy Grace's coverage. :: shrug::


I think Tim had every right to pull out and go look for someone else who actually may be alive.

I agree. But imo, to pull out midway through a search that cost $100,000 to set up, because of something personal or because you are "miffed" at LP (IF that contributed, which I don't know if that is true or valid or not), in my opinion, if that happened, it would not be fair to Caylee and not fair to the donators and not fair to the searchers.

I tell you where we were searching, it was hundreds of acres and searching for someone as small as caylee is harder than searching for a needle in a haystack. The area is just too big and not enough searchers to cover all that ground to really "clear" an area. She was so small, she could easily be missed or passed by in such thick woods. I don't know how she will ever be found unfortunately and that is so depressing...esp when there is ONE person who knows exactly where she is.

I agree. At the end of the day it is KC's fault, and no one else's, that we can't find Caylee. Searching made me realize just how hard it is to even try to find something 5 months after the person goes missing, especially when you are searching for a little body with little bones. I think we all felt discouraged Saturday. I think TM helped in his way to look for Caylee, I think LP helped in his way, I think the only people that haven't helped are the A's.

Bold mine above-

 

[nnglas]

I just want to say a couple of things. I was not involved in the search but I did donate. It seems that alot of people are saying that TM had every right to pull out of the search because of LP. TM has stated that this whole thing has turned into a circus because of LP. However, I find it out that he said that after he was backing out of the search. Especially when LP had been on NG every day speaking about the search. It didn't seem to bother TM then. Also, the comments he made about LP and NG have come a little late. Perhaps people wouldn't be so disappointed had he made those comments before LP and NG begged for donations for his organization. My point is simple, LP didn't do anything different from what he has always done. Play to the press. Why is TM upset now after the donations. It just looks like a cop out to me. And totally wrong to make it appear that LP is the reason why he stopped searching. If it was for another reason then he should say that, but the disparaging remarks about other people trying to help the cause leaves a bad taste in my mouth.